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YAWSIBT (Yet another what should I buy thread)
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YAWSIBT (Yet another what should I buy thread). Sorry it is long, but it seems from other similar posts the more information I provide the better the responses..

Background:.

I have always used small p&s cameras (I have an ixus 40 from a few years back, my GF has a Powershot A510), but unless I am shooting brightly lit close-up shots I am almost always disappointed with the photos I take. Because of this, I haven't really used it much recently. Since I now have a kitty, and will be holidaying a bit in the next couple of years, I really would like to upgrade..

What I have:.

I have been experimenting with the manual modes with the camera since deciding to get a new camera, just to give myself an idea of what limitations I have. I found that when zoomed in (3x optical) the image quality degrades, and anything above 100 ISO (50, 100, 200, 400 available) is noisy, so yeah, not such a good camera for IQ..

I have fairly shaky hands and I have trouble holding a camera steady for low light stuff. My hands are also quite small for a guy (stubby fingers, no jokes please )..

What I want:.

I want a camera that will cover a few key areas, and I am willing to spend about $1500AUD maximum.

Indoor/family/pet shotsNight-time (indoor/outdoor) party shotsholiday pictures, scenery, buildings, etcAFL (aussie rules football) shots, low priority, just for fun..

What I am considering:.

A decent quality p&s, ~6x zoom and IS - something that fits in a jacket pocket or backpack pockets, I wouldn't be willing to spend more than $500AUD on a p&s though..

An entry level dslr with kit/cheap lens (2 lenses covering wide/normal and zoom) - most likely the 400d with the IS lens - approx $800.

A mid level dslr with kit/cheap lens (2 lenses covering wide/normal and zoom) - olympus e510, pentax k10d, or canon 40d - approx $1000-1200 (d40 up to $1500).

Rationalisation:.

I think a P&S is a limiting choice, it doesn't leave me the option of improving if/when I want more from a camera. I also get frustrated with start-up and time-to-shot times of my current p&s camera, I think this will be a problem with a lot of p&s cameras. It is however easy to carry around and quick to get into action..

The 400d sounds appealing, but I don't know if it is going to be too 'cheap'. I tend to use things not baby them, so i'm not sure if the build quality will be up to scratch..

The e510 sounds good for the quality kit lenses, and the k10d sounds great for the feature set and weatherproofing the 40d is probably pushing on just too expensive, but it sounds a fantastic camera..

The prices mentioned are ebay australia prices, as they are consistently cheaper than online stores by 20-30%, and presumably brick&mortar stores by even more. The ebay prices match approximately the prices I've seen on amazon.com converted to AUD. I can only import up to AUD$1000 worth of gear at any one time without being hit by taxes, so it will be hard to get much from the US. If I can get it imported from the US and get the lenses sent 1-2 weeks separate then that could also work..

My main concern is that if I spend twice as much on a dslr compared to a p&s, I want to be sure the images I get will be better than the p&s even with kit/cheap lenses. I expect that if I get a dslr, I will eventually get a cheap normal prime, and probably a fast-ish (2.8?) normal zoom for indoor, or a fast-ish tele (can't imagine more that 250-300mm though) for sport stuff depending on how I end up using my camera most. I know some will say to get them straight away, but I can't justify the expenditure yet..

How long in general does a lens switch take, I don't think I really need a 10x zoom lense, but if it is going to take 30s just to switch lenses I might get a bit annoyed when on holiday?.

Also, my g/f loves to 'cam-whore' (self potrait shots), how would a 50mm prime frame such a shot, would it be too zoomed in (or if it is wide then will I be able to crop it effectively on an 8-10mp image)?.

Anyway, that's where I am at, I know what I want (better photos), I know what I am willing to pay and learn, I am just not sure what is going to get me there..

Thanks in advance for your comments..

Comments (6)

Killspice wrote:.

What I want:I want a camera that will cover a few key areas, and I am willing tospend about $1500AUD maximum.

Indoor/family/pet shotsNight-time (indoor/outdoor) party shotsholiday pictures, scenery, buildings, etcAFL (aussie rules football) shots, low priority, just for fun..

You need a DSLR man..

What I am considering:A decent quality p&s, ~6x zoom and IS - something that fits in ajacket pocket or backpack pockets, I wouldn't be willing to spendmore than $500AUD on a p&s though..

Canon A650IS, SX100IS.

An entry level dslr with kit/cheap lens (2 lenses coveringwide/normal and zoom) - most likely the 400d with the IS lens -approx $800.

None of Canon IS lens is that cheap to add up with body and cost less than $800Aus..

A mid level dslr with kit/cheap lens (2 lenses covering wide/normaland zoom) - olympus e510, pentax k10d, or canon 40d - approx$1000-1200 (d40 up to $1500).

Olympus kit lenses are the best (except Panasonic's Leica kit). Followed by Pentax and Nikon's kit lenses..

My main concern is that if I spend twice as much on a dslr comparedto a p&s, I want to be sure the images I get will be better than thep&s even with kit/cheap lenses. I expect that if I get a dslr, Iwill eventually get a cheap normal prime, and probably a fast-ish(2.8?) normal zoom for indoor, or a fast-ish tele (can't imagine morethat 250-300mm though) for sport stuff depending on how I end upusing my camera most. I know some will say to get them straightaway, but I can't justify the expenditure yet..

DSLR have inherent advantage of big sensor. So less blown out areas & less noise..

How long in general does a lens switch take, I don't think I reallyneed a 10x zoom lense, but if it is going to take 30s just to switchlenses I might get a bit annoyed when on holiday?.

That should not be a problem. One can do it in 10 seconds or less or may take 10 minutes  But it normally is not required to be done so fast. One can be ready with a little foresight of the type of shoot one is going for..

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #1

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Wide/normal and zoom) - most likely the 400d with the IS lens -approx $800.

None of Canon IS lens is that cheap to add up with body and cost lessthan $800Aus..

He must mean the new 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS. It is not only an IS lens, but also much sharper than the previous incarnations (i.e. the 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 and the 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 II), which were among the worst kit zooms ever produced...

Comment #2

Zoltan2 wrote:.

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Wide/normal and zoom) - most likely the 400d with the IS lens -approx $800.

None of Canon IS lens is that cheap to add up with body and cost lessthan $800Aus..

He must mean the new 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS. It is not only an IS lens,but also much sharper than the previous incarnations (i.e. the18-55mm f3.5-5.6 and the 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 II), which were among theworst kit zooms ever produced..

Yep, the new IS kit lens has been given a pretty decent review, which is why i'm considering the canon. The range of canon lenses seems up with the best, along with nikon, but having to pay for IS each time is disappointing. That is the main reason I am considering the 400d and not the 40d which I would prefer. I can justify spending a couple hundred extra on a lens for a $800 camera, but not so much for a $1200 camera..

That is why the olympus and pentax cameras are probably my number one choice at this stage, both have IS built in, both are better quality/featured than the 400d and both are a few hundred dollars cheaper than the 40d. The 40d does sound nice though...At least that seems to be the case from my research so far...

Comment #3

My cameras have all been point-&-shoot. I just wanted to say that for pet photography the trick "swivel" or "twist" LCD displays are truly helpful. For examples of this feature see the Canon S3 / S5 models. This type display makes it a lot easier to use the camera near floor level, for a pet's eyeview of the world. Dunno which of those DSLR cameras might have this feature though..

Kelly Cook..

Comment #4

KCook wrote:.

My cameras have all been point-&-shoot. I just wanted to say thatfor pet photography the trick "swivel" or "twist" LCD displays aretruly helpful. For examples of this feature see the Canon S3 / S5models. This type display makes it a lot easier to use the cameranear floor level, for a pet's eyeview of the world. Dunno which ofthose DSLR cameras might have this feature though..

The only ones to have it are the Panasonic DMC-L10 and the Olympus E-3. A third one - the Olympus E-330 but unlike the other two, it has a tilt-only screen...

Comment #5

Thanks for that info Zoltan2. I really had no clue. But will now toss Oly on my DSLR wish list. Easy for me, since my Oly 35mm SLRs gave me super service..

Kelly..

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