Also, are you checking the registry whois directly?.
It's a .com and I check the whois through a shell. When I check on whois sites I get the same results...
If you've not been directly checking the .com registry whois at the link below, then it's possible the status you saw wasn't what you thought it was. VeriSign WHOIS - Domain Name Lookup from VeriSign, Inc.
Pending Delete in .COM is typically 5 days only. Prior to that it's Registry Grace Period for 30 days.
Some registrars will display their own statuses, such as pending delete, in their whois database that aren't necessarily reflective of the true registry status. Only way to be sure is to always directly query the registry whois.
With all that said, if the domain truly deleted, and then later got registered again by the same registrar that had it before, then it's possible they still have the old owner's info in their whois - just change it to yours...
Check the .COM registry and see what the creation date is ... if it's within the past day or two, it's a new registration and hence is most probably truly yours.
Wow, I never knew a domain could be sold before it drops completely...
If the current owner still had an option to renew it, or reclaim it...(redemption).
Then the dropcatcher selling it had no right to list it for sale etc.
They should not be able to touch it until the current owner has "no time/options left".
I think they call it wishful thinking (hoping for it to drop) or false advertising (advertising a domain.
They don't own, and can't sell)...I call it bad business ...
I don't know how the industry works within the backend, this is my 2 cents and.
How I see it as a consumer but I'd be quite peeved off.
Is this sort of thing really allowed? or do they just do it?..
I don't know if it is allowed or not but this is a normal practice at Dynadot...
I use Terminal to check whois which gives results directly from the registry I think.
Yet right now Internic/Verisign are showing only half of the info I'm seeing in the shell directly. This domain is a big mess.
Thanks for your reply, now it makes more sense as to why I saw PENDINGDELETE for so long - I think it was a mistake. I'll probably know more tomorrow...
Using "terminal" is no guarantee of correct results. What whois server are you querying? Very important to be querying the correct ones.
For .COM, the correct registry is whois.verisign-grs.com.
The reason you're only seeing "half" at the registry and the other "half" elsewhere is that .COM and .NET are "thin" registries - the registry has part of the data and the registrar associated with that domain has part - each registrar presents whois (whose data may not be fully accurate; conflict with that of the registry) in their own unique way. Very confusing for those unfamiliar with the "thin" registry concept, and hence leading to many misunderstandings.
It's a regular practice. It's against ICANN's rules, but no one seems to give a s**t about rules when it comes to money and greed.
Any time you "win" a "pre-release" auction, the original owner can still renew, even after you have the domain in your possession and even if it's in active use. Most of the time, this won't happen, but if the domain is highly desirable, the chance that it will be reclaimed increases.
In fact, you can lose a pre-release .com domain (with a refund) up to 40 days after you have won it. I think the window of redemption (after expiration) is about 71 days (if it goes through the full cycle, 71 + 5days in pending delete). I recently won a pre-release domain that was auctioned FIVE WEEKS after expiration. Fortunately, after I won the auction, I noticed the close expiration date, got suspicious, did a little research, and discovered this seedy little practice and the possible consequences if I were to blab about my domain.
That's why it's always good to keep pre-release wins quiet, until the danger time has passed.
I don't like doing business that way; I want to buy aftermarket domains that are 100% in the clear. I would rather wait for the domain to drop than to sit in this gray area of pseudo-ownership. Besides, it's unethical to sell something that isn't really yours to sell, and probably illegal as well.
I think this practice stinks and that the auction companies ought to be cyber-slapped for such seedy behavior. Both the original owner and the winner are the biggest potential losers.
Just because you keep repeating that does not make it fact.
Fact is that there is no ICANN rules prohibiting this practice at all.
I get it that you *think* there is and seem to believe some of the examples you've cited are about this issue but they are not. ICANN has purposefully not written a Uniform Deletion Policy for good reason, unless they do that, there is no ICANN rules to be followed regarding this specific issue. And, whether you believe it or not, that is a good thing for ALL Registrants, including you.
Now, as to the previous registrant being able to get the domain returned within a window of time? Anybody arguing that is not a good practice that protects ALL Registrant's rights is not seeing the big picture at all. Think about it... arguing against that is arguing FOR the very greed and corruption that you seem to be against. YOU could very well be that Registrant someday, keep that in mind...
It IS a good practice to allow the registrant to renew a domain within this time frame. I'm not arguing against that at all.
I AM arguing that aftermarket domains should not go on the market until AFTER this time has passed, until after all the registrant's rights have truly expired. This protects both registrant and potential buyer.
As a registrant, I would DEFINITELY want to have this right kept in place.
I have more info today, so here's the story. The support manager emailed me back and said she gave me misinformation.
Since I was the only one who wanted the domain, the domain was renewed before it was released to the dropcatcher. That was why the original registrant's info was on the whois. (Which is still kind of odd.) When she saw their info, she thought the original owner renewed it somehow. I'm guessing that info was not supposed to be there at this point of the process.
Then instead of the domain going into an auction, I got all of the information immediately without having to wait a few days. This may be why the original registrant's info was visible since it was all happening so quickly.
So now a long story is short, I happily own the domain.
However, here's something to chew on: Keep your domains close...
You're missing a piece here... the reason the "lateral transfer" names get auctioned off before that period ends is simple. The Registry (Verisign) allows a Registrar up to 45 days to actually send the delete command to the Registry on an auto-renewed name and be refunded the auto-renew Registry fee. Any longer than that and the Registrar cannot be refunded.
So, while in your scenario the Registrar would have to wait 60-70 days before offering the name for auction, that would necessitate them actually forfeiting the Registry fees for ALL names as they would not know what names would get sold. Remember, the percentage of names that expire and get sold is rather small compared to the total number of names that expire and get no interest and are actually deleted. If you really want the Registrars to do it this way, you will have created the very warehousing problems that none of us want - including ICANN.
So, by offering names for auction on day 35, the Registrars only transact on the names that get bids and actually delete the rest within the window...
If you are the only person who backordered the domain from the dropcatcher that successfully grabs the domain the moment it drops, then there will be no auction. This is how it works at namejet and snapnames which are the two biggest dropcatchers.
I've heard that godaddy does some pretty stupid things like grabbing the domain for you and then putting it through an auction for everybody to come and join. Luckily Godaddy is not very successful in catching dropping domains.
A small side note, I would never contact a dropcatcher prior to the drop day about a particular domain. Why do you want to generate other people's attention for a domain that you want? That may not be the best thing to do...