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Which point & shoot is the closest to a dslr?
Hi. I am thinking about getting a point & shoot camera and would like to know which one is the closest to a dslr? I have an old Fuji finepix S3000 that I used for ebay use and still life {meaning anything that didn't move}. I'm looking for a camera with good low light, least shutter lag, at least 6 mp, and as many optical zoom as possible, and image stabilization. I will be taking some action pics of my dogs running and playing around. I don't need it for sports. I read in one person's message that he liked the FZ50, but don't know which brand he was talking about.

Currently on my list is the Canon powershot G7, G9, Sony dsc-H7, Canon powershot S3 IS, or C P S5 IS among the ones I can remember. I also might like the new versions of Fuji finepix. Can't seem to find a Nikon similiar to these point and shoot cameras. Would consider a Nikon if one has similiar features..

I am also considering the Nikon D40 {read has good low light} or the Pentax K100D {has IS in the body} with a Tamron or Sigma lens such as the f/2.8 in 28-75mm or 28-70mm..

As you can see, I am having trouble narrowing down my choices. I don't really care about size.Thanks for any info you can give me.Kathy..

Comments (19)

The FZ50 is Panasonic..

The size, non-extending Leica lens, larger (than most) sensor, zoom and focus rings on the lens barrel, hot shoe, and raw output make as close to being a DSLR as you can get without actually being one.Joel Orlinsky.

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Comment #1

The fz50 is a panasonic.

A good camera ...has worked well for me. It has limits like all cameras but overall is very good for the cost and what it is.

Cheersliammy pics athttp://coolpix.shutterchance.com/archive.php..

Comment #2

If you want the best all round compact I'd look at the Canon G9..

If you want a larger bridge camera then the closest to an SLR is either the Fuji S9600 or the Panasonic FZ50. They are about equal but they score on different points. You would need to consider your own needs in detail against the specs of each to make teh choice. The Canon S3 and S5 do not, IMO, offer as broad a range of photographic features, although I think the S3 is marginally better than the S5 and is a fine camera in it's own terms..

If you want to go for a DSLR it;s pretty much down to which one you prefer holding and using. All the entry level DSLRs are fine cameras and, again, your choice would be based on the very specific pros and cons of each..

StephenG.

Pentax K100DFuji S5200Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #3

At the risk of being called pedantic, "point & shoot" is a poor descriptive for a camera. "point & shoot" is a style choice a person makes when using a camera..

ALL cameras, even dSLRs, can be used in a "point & shoot" style..

Redfox45 wrote:.

I'm looking for a camera with good lowlight, least shutter lag, at least 6 mp, and as many optical zoom aspossible, and image stabilization..

Let's take them individually:.

1) Good low light performance is dependent on lens speed and sensor sensitivity, which translates to large photosites...which translates to large pieces of Silicon and low MP counts..

2) Low shutter lag is comonly misunderstood. First, most non-dSLR cameras don't really have a shutter (in the sense you are using it, ie, a mechanical thingie that opens and closes to time the exposure). What is typically called "Shutter Lag" has two components. The first is the time required to set exposure, determine white balance, and focus the lens. The second is the time required to capture the image..

ALL cameras nowadays have dual position shutter buttons. The first does the exp, WB, focus and the second does the capture. There is a "detent" between them, so that we can feel when we have pressed the button to the first position (typically called the "half press" position). Proper useage is to half press and wait until the camera finishes and signals this, typically with a small green light...then wait until the scene is correct and do the full press..

There are two major categories of cameras (not dSLR and P&S): partly mechanical and fully electronic (or mirror and non-mirror). Their timings are quite different. The partly mechanical/mirror cameras typically are fast to focus (because they have a different type of focus system, called "phase"). However, they have to flip the mirror out of the way after AF is complete, so they have longer delays before the image is captured. In contrast, the fully electronic/non-mirror cameras are slower to perform AF, but are fast to capture the image. In many cases, the sum of the exp/WB/AF time plus the capture delay is important, as when you can't anticipate needing to take a pic.

Partly mechanical/mirror cameras always focus faster and have more capture delay. Fully electronic/non-mirror cameras always focus slower and have less capture delay..

The choice between these two types depends on the photographer and the subject. If you are deliberate (ie, think about a potential picture before you take it) and instinctively "half-press" all the time, you may want the faster capture of the fully electronic/non-mirror type. If your subject(s) don't allow you to be deliberate and thoughtful, you may need the faster overall lag of the partly mechanical/mirror type..

3) At least 6 MP. This is getting increasingly difficult to find! Marketing heads are pushing us to insane levels of MP....

4) A long zoom range is easier and cheaper with a small sensor. If you choose a big piece of Silicon for low noise, then you will have to pay $$$ for a long zoom. Also, long zoom ranges for APS-C sensors lead to poor IQ..

5) Image stabilization. Cheaper to get with a small sensor (less mass to move around)..

Note that you need to prioritize these requirements, as they are somewhat contradictory..

I am also considering the Nikon D40 {read has good low light} orthe Pentax K100D {has IS in the body} with a Tamron or Sigma lenssuch as the f/2.8 in 28-75mm or 28-70mm..

The D40 is a great choice if low noise is a high priority. The F100D is a great choice if IS is a high priority. But NEITHER is a great choice if long zoom range is a high priority. Your choice of a 2.7:1 zoom lens flies in the face of your stated goal of wanting long zoom!.

As you can see, I am having trouble narrowing down my choices..

Yes. My conclusion is that you mostly have not stated your true requirements (you said that a long zoom lens was a requirement and then picked a very short zoom lens in one of the cameras on your short list). When you decide about your requirements...REALLY decide...it will be easy to narrow your choices..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #4

Redfox45 wrote:.

I'm looking for a camera with good lowlight, least shutter lag, at least 6 mp, and as many optical zoom aspossible, and image stabilization..

Pentax K100D will give you all above except ZOOM ( it comes with 3x zoom kit lens). No P&S camera comes close to a DSLR for low light and focus speed..

I will be taking some action picsof my dogs running and playing around. I don't need it for sports..

Now here, a camera with optical viewfinder will be helpful (for live tracking of action). All DSLRs have that. The only thing a DSLR will be lacking is large ZOOM. If that is a priority than go for Panasonic FZ50, if you like to shoot Raw Images. Else Canon S3IS/S5IS.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #5

I was shoting print film, then slide film, then after being annoyed by slide processing cost + film dust issues I bought Olympus C-750 UZ. After it broke I bought Minolta 7D DSLR to shot using minolta lenses I had before. No regret.... .

Bottomline, if you are considering DSLR and not affraid of camera size - go DSLR..

Because of sensor size DSLRs producing best detail/color rendering (if used with good lenses, proper exposure).

True is, you will need to learn a bit to make your DSLR camera produce best images..

One of my friends just bought D40 and is very happy (keeps camera on Auto mode only). Other friend bought 400Dxi and is happy too. Another one refuzes to buy DSLR because of bulky size and bought Panasonic FZ18.http://www.stan-pustylnik.smugmug.com..

Comment #6

This poor guy asked which point & shoot is most like a DSLR and he is getting all kinds of off the wall answers. I think his question has already been answered by sjgcit, below..

I'm not 100% sure the G9/G7 is the "best" but just the same, sjgcit's answer seems to be a good one..

Sjgcit wrote:.

If you want the best all round compact I'd look at the Canon G9..

If you want a larger bridge camera then the closest to an SLR iseither the Fuji S9600 or the Panasonic FZ50...

Comment #7

Thanks for all the replies. The reason I stated long zoom in a point and shoot is I know I can't buy extra lenses for it in the future, whereas, I know I can buy long zoom lens for a dslr and can wait til later to buy them. I want the short zoom lens for close action shots of my dogs and my sister's kids. I've tried out my sister's dslr with long zoom lens and the subjects were too close to me to take good action pics {70-200mm f2.8} even though I liked the lens, I would get a shorter lens and get comfortable with it first, but still get the fast f2.8..

If I just said I only want a point and shoot that is best for action and night shots {although this will be hard for most cameras, I know}, then which would you suggest? I don't care how big it is. I prefer the bigger cameras as the little ones seem to 'slip' out of my hands. I guess I've pretty well made up my mind about the dslr {if I go that route}, but haven't decided which point and shoot if I chose this route. I want at least 6mp or bigger..

Sorry for being contradictory, just goes to show you I'm still learning about photography...

Comment #8

Redfox45 wrote:.

Thanks for all the replies. The reason I stated long zoom in a pointand shoot is I know I can't buy extra lenses for it in the future,whereas, I know I can buy long zoom lens for a dslr and can wait tillater to buy them. I want the short zoom lens for close action shotsof my dogs and my sister's kids. I've tried out my sister's dslrwith long zoom lens and the subjects were too close to me to takegood action pics {70-200mm f2.8} even though I liked the lens, Iwould get a shorter lens and get comfortable with it first, but stillget the fast f2.8..

OK, I get it now. You have different requirements for the two camera types. That wasn't clear at first..

If I just said I only want a point and shoot that is best for actionand night shots {although this will be hard for most cameras, Iknow}, then which would you suggest? I don't care how big it is. Iprefer the bigger cameras as the little ones seem to 'slip' out of myhands..

Yes, that is a common problem. The Japanese don't understand this size issue. They continually try to make products too small!.

I guess I've pretty well made up my mind about the dslr {if Igo that route}, but haven't decided which point and shoot if I chosethis route. I want at least 6mp or bigger..

1) Look at the specifications and pick one with as big a sensor (Silicon) as you can. Get one with a 1/1.7" or 1/1.8" sensor. Avoid the 1/2.5" and 1/2.7" sizes..

2) Hold the cameras and pick the one that is most comfortable. Play attention to the little details like where buttons are placed (will you accidently hit them?) and look through the VF (if it has one) and see what the image looks like (how big and bright is it?).

Sorry for being contradictory, just goes to show you I'm stilllearning about photography..

OK. Your first assignment is to decide which category of camera works best for you!.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #9

Older Canon G6, Older Nikon 8700 or 5700..

You still can ebay these cameras..

Check imaging-resource website for detailed test shots and reviews..

Http://www.stan-pustylnik.smugmug.com..

Comment #10

Stan_P wrote:.

Older Canon G6, Older Nikon 8700 or 5700..

Those seem strange recommendations considering the OP's requirements. The G6 has 4X zoom and a 1/1.8" 7MP sensor. The 5700 has 8X zoom and a 1/1.5" 5MP sensor. The 8700 has the same 8X lens and a 1/1.5" 8MP sensor. I'd skip the 8700 and go to the 8800 which has a 10X lens and the same 1/1.5" 8MP sensor...but it adds IS..

However, I think the 5700 has the best IQ of this group. When Sony moved from 5MP to 8MP, the smaller photosites generated more noise and were able to see the CA better. Nikon has better in-camera NR on the 8800, but I still prefer the 5700 and almost no NR (blurring)..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #11

Redfox45 wrote:.

If I just said I only want a point and shoot that is best for actionand night shots {although this will be hard for most cameras, Iknow}, then which would you suggest?.

Canon G7/G9.Canon A710/720Fuji S6000fdPanasonic FZ50In that order.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #12

The Olympus 330. On sale from Cameta Camera via amazon for $399..

Its the closest thing to a DSLR, but is priced like a high end point and shoot right now..

It also has liveview... like a point and shoot..

I know it's not actually answering your question..

The other closest camera is the Sony DSC-R1. DSLR sized sensor, high quality lens, and it's faster than most point and shoots by alot...

Comment #13

RobertEllis wrote:.

The Olympus 330. On sale from Cameta Camera via amazon for $399..

Its the closest thing to a DSLR, but is priced like a high end pointand shoot right now..

I thought the E-330 WAS a dSLR?.

It also has liveview... like a point and shoot..

Actually, it has live view, but quite unlike a camera w/o a mirror..

I know it's not actually answering your question..

The other closest camera is the Sony DSC-R1. DSLR sized sensor, highquality lens, and it's faster than most point and shoots by alot..

I guess that last claim is true? The R1 is fast in comparison to many non-mirror cameras, but it can be slow too, especially in low light and when writing RAW images to CF card..

When Sony designed the R1, it was to be a dSLR. When they bought K-M, it suddenly becamse a "p&s". Huh?.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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The greatest of mankind's criminals are those who delude themselves into thinking they have done 'the right thing.'- Rayna Butler..

Comment #15

With the DSLR, The K100D uses the same sensor as the D40 but does not need to use Noise reduction. Add in the AS, top LCD, 11 point AF and better lens compatability and I would not even think of going with the D40..

The P&S question is the tough one. I would not consider a megazoom. You end up getting into a DSLR size without the DSLR advantages. You will end up with a DSLR..

If you want a smaller camera, look at the Fuji Fxx series Canon G7 or G9 or the better A series. I ended up with a Samsung NV 15. It does use a bigger sensor but is still quite small. It does not have the overly contrasty, saturated look of the NV 10 but still has some noise in the shadows. On the other hand, it has a less processed look than any P&S I have looked at. The noise at ISO 400 is not bad and cleans up nicely. The video mode is incredible and it has the look and solidity of a tiny rangefinder...

Comment #16

Actually,.

The term "point and shoot" is, by your question, being used inappropriately. I believe what you want to know is "which fixed lens digicam" rather than which "point and shoot"..

In essence no fixed lens digicam available today has super quick autofocus which is going to be an issue for what you want to do (any type of "action" photography)..

There will be an autofocus lag time which will mean that to get the action shots you will need to manual focus. As mentioned in multiple posts there are a number of good fixed lens cameras available including the Panasonic/Lumix models with long zoom and optical stabilization, etc. Another consideration might be that you would possibly want to capture movies with your still camera. In that event nothing really beats the little Canon S3-IS which lets you instantly switch from stills to movies and back without even taking your eye from the viewfinder. The newer S5-IS has a hotshoe if your will be needing serious flash power but in my own experience isn't worth the additional cost over the older S3..

Perhaps the "best" of the fixed-lens cameras for this type thing if autofocus is important is the older Olympus E-10 or E-20. Though only 4 and 5 megapixel, they make perfect 8x10 prints and the autofocus is extremely quick and accurate. You can usually find them on Ebay for a fraction of their original $1500 or more price. They are truly built like tanks and are very good instruments..

But if size isn't an issue, why not just buy one of the Nikon or Canon or Sony entry level dSLR's and a good stabilized zoom lens and have the best of both worlds?.

Best regards,.

Lin.

Redfox45 wrote:.

Hi. I am thinking about getting a point & shoot camera and would liketo know which one is the closest to a dslr? I have an old Fujifinepix S3000 that I used for ebay use and still life {meaninganything that didn't move}. I'm looking for a camera with good lowlight, least shutter lag, at least 6 mp, and as many optical zoom aspossible, and image stabilization. I will be taking some action picsof my dogs running and playing around. I don't need it for sports. Iread in one person's message that he liked the FZ50, but don't knowwhich brand he was talking about.

Currently on mylist is the Canon powershot G7, G9, Sony dsc-H7, Canon powershot S3IS, or C P S5 IS among the ones I can remember. I also might likethe new versions of Fuji finepix. Can't seem to find a Nikon similiarto these point and shoot cameras. Would consider a Nikon if one hassimiliar features..

I am also considering the Nikon D40 {read has good low light} orthe Pentax K100D {has IS in the body} with a Tamron or Sigma lenssuch as the f/2.8 in 28-75mm or 28-70mm.As you can see, I am having trouble narrowing down my choices. Idon't really care about size.Thanks for any info you can give me.Kathy..

Comment #17

I recommend the Canon G9. It has all the features you need and is a nice compact package.Here is my personal file on it in case you decide to buy it..

Http://personafile.com/...rshot-G9-12.1-Megapixel-6.0x-Zoom-P013803002107.htm.

A Few Of My Favorite:http://personafile.com/kcair/public..

Comment #18

Lin Evans wrote:.

Actually,.

The term "point and shoot" is, by your question, being usedinappropriately. I believe what you want to know is "which fixed lensdigicam" rather than which "point and shoot"..

Yes [sigh], the "point and shoot" insult continues in this day of enlightenment..

As we've said many times, "point & shoot" is a style of shooting and NOT a description of a camera, because ALL cameras have the ability to be used that way!.

An equivalent insulting description of a dSLR would be a "flip & chimp" camera. .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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