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Which metering modes to use
Hello, I am just starting really and want to know which metering modes you use:1:For sports2:For candid3:For LandscapeCheers Wayne...

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WOW, you just spent $1600 on a really high end lens, not to mention high end Canon bodies and you have to ask this question? Your question is pretty much unanswerable, I suggest you go to your local bookstore and invest in a book or two on the basics of photography. If you understood metering/exposure/light you would know that this is a pointless question. WTH is up with people spending thousands and thousands of dollars on camera gear without even trying to understand photography 101?.

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Comment #1

Wayne33 wrote:.

Hello, I am just starting really and want to know which meteringmodes you use:1:For sports.

Indoor, or outdoor? Day, or night? What sort of background - crowd, or open field/sky? Fast moving, or slow? Individual, or team? Close in on an individual, or wide angle / group?.

2:For candid.

Indoors, or out, close / wide, or tele? What sort of background?.

3:For Landscape.

Open fields / lots of sky? Forest? Rivers? Sea/lake?.

As egordon99 said, this is a meaningless question to which there is no single/simple answer short of an extended essay on the principles of exposure and metering...

Comment #2

Go to this website and spend some time reading the large print items on left, the 3rd to 7th. this should answer some of your new user questions..

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Comment #3

Egordon99 wrote:.

WOW, you just spent $1600 on a really high end lens, not to mentionhigh end Canon bodies and you have to ask this question? Yourquestion is pretty much unanswerable, I suggest you go to your localbookstore and invest in a book or two on the basics of photography.If you understood metering/exposure/light you would know that this isa pointless question. WTH is up with people spending thousands andthousands of dollars on camera gear without even trying to understandphotography 101?.

Http://forums.dpreview.com/...ms/readflat.asp?forum=1029&message=25901507.

WTH is up with people who knock other people for spending alot of money on camera gear even if they don't know how to shoot yet. The person's question is very much answerable and it won't take long to get a good feeling for when and where to use a particular metering mode..

Is there a spending limit for first time buyers? Or is that question unanswerable also?.

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Comment #4

(wayne33: apologies, this is about defending egordon, not attacking you).

Stevef1961 wrote:.

WTH is up with people who knock other people for spending alot ofmoney on camera gear even if they don't know how to shoot yet..

I think people are entitled to think WTH? to someone who buys a 1Ds as your first camera, with plans to upgrade to an even more expensive model, before theyve even learned how to use metering modes - more so when that person starts asking broad and basic how to questions that indicate they have not put in a lot of time or effort to learn the basics themselves..

Especially when youre someone who has done the hard yards yourself, on a much more limited budget..

In fact, I believe that thinking WTH? is a very normal reaction. Its just that most people, most of the time, dont say it out loud / post it..

The person's question is very much answerable.

No, its not. Not in any meaningful way, or without offering an extended tutorial on the basics of metering and exposure. The OP may find people who are willing to offer that, personally I am not inclined to go to the trouble of offering advice to people who have not shown any inclination to make an effort themselves..

And yes, quite frankly, I am less inclined to offer help to a beginner who bought a camera (plus planned upgrade) that (a) I could never hope to afford and (b) even if I could, I would think twice about whether my skills were up to actually making proper use of that camera. Its only human..

And it won't take long toget a good feeling for when and where to use a particular meteringmode..

Which is exactly why the OP should.

(a) learn what the modes mean (dont need to ask people on a forum for that, its readily available in the cameras manual and a variety of resources)(b) Practice(c) Ask targeted questions about areas where they need more help..

But FWIW, Ill have a shot at answering the question(s):.

Sport: Probably Centre Weight, maybe even Spot. Matrix, maybe, if the dynamic range of players to background is not too great..

Candid: Probably Centre Weight, most likely not Spot. Matrix if the dynamic range is not great..

Landscape: Matrix to start with, Centre Weight possibly, but neither is much good without careful control of exposure, depending on the DR of the scene..

There - now how useful was that?.

Is there a spending limit for first time buyers?.

No. But buying a camera like a 1Ds, along with plans for an upgrade, when youre obviously not using even 10% of that cameras capabilities, does come under the category of complete waste of money...

Comment #5

Maybe he's a multi-millionaire. Hell if I was a millionaire my first camera would be 1Ds Mark III with a full line up of L series lenses! lol. It would cost less than getting a semi-luxury sedan so it would be NOTHING to them..

Believe me I know many extremely rich people. Many are modest and don't spend as much as they could. But many others buy only the best of everything even if they don't really need it or plan to use it much. You can't really hate them for it. They grew up having only the best. They got the money.

But then they are the ones who would buy the next version of the camera as soon as they are available when they don't really need it. BUT STILL YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM!!! They are not doing harm to anyone. Are they?..

Comment #6

Well this is a bit of a hijack, but Im in a conversational mood : ).

Lazism wrote:.

Maybe he's a multi-millionaire..

I want to be clear to the OP that I am not attacking him. OK, its pretty obvious that some of the opinions I have expressed apply to the OP, but I really want to just talk about the issue in general - of what is or is not legitimate for people to think about what other people buy - and not for the purpose of attacking the OP..

I will very happily answer any reasonable questions from the OP and offer whatever advice I can..

Hell if I was a millionaire my firstcamera would be 1Ds Mark III with a full line up of L series lenses!lol. It would cost less than getting a semi-luxury sedan so it wouldbe NOTHING to them..

Actually, I handled a D3 in my camera store the other day and decided that even if I won the lottery tomorrow, Id buy a D300 (well, two D300s!) and not a D3. Two reasons.

1. The darn thing is so big and heavy that I know I wouldnt use it much, Id have to have a smaller body as well and whats the point..

2. Im not up to D300 standard - I havent got the most out of my D80 yet, it would be a waste and possibly a frustration..

Lenses - well thats a whole different ballgame of course : ).

Believe me I know many extremely rich people. Many are modest anddon't spend as much as they could..

Sure, me too.- I know a couple of absolute tossers as well, but there you go : ).

But many others buy only the bestof everything even if they don't really need it or plan to use itmuch. You can't really hate them for it. They grew up having only thebest. They got the money. Why go for something less? Maybe in the endthey might end up saving money because they have nothing to upgradeto! lol. But then they are the ones who would buy the next version ofthe camera as soon as they are available when they don't really needit..

Absolutely, there is pleasure to be had in owning and using fine things. But..

A Bentley Continental GT is a luxury that one can use and enjoy, pretty much to it's fullest, regardless of ones abilities as a driver..

A high-end pro DSLR is not just best (quality, comfort etc) - it is something you need to actually know how to use..

BUT STILL YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM!!! They are not doing harm toanyone. Are they?.

No, of course theyre not harming anyone, and no you cant blame them..

Youre still allowed to think theyre a tosser : ).

And especially when the basic questions start..

Imagine a bar where theres a group of middle-aged amateur racing drivers, all greatly skilled with their middle-of-the-road cars. And some yuppie walks in and starts asking how to use the manual shift on his brand new $500,000 supercar. Blame? No. Harm? No. But its only human to roll your eyes..

Once again, apologies to the OP. This is not about you...

Comment #7

Hi,.

I'm not sure who to side with here; so the answer for the OP is RTFM because you've asked a vague question and I can give a vague answer that will cover five pages and you'll still get nowhere. However:-.

Average, Matrix or full screen metering; use most of the time to start but remember it's trying to be all things to all men. Use CW for more importance being given to the (would you believe) centre and spot for minute areas of great importance that might not be covered by the other two. Aircraft in the sky far away are best for or typical spot subjects. A butterfly fairly close up is a typical CW subject..

BTW, no two makers have ever agreed on just what all those terms mean and to make life more difficult they won't tell you either. Leica do say that the metered area covers roughly the RF second window: "roughly" is the nearest you'll get in real life. So experiment....

But OTOH, if people didn't buy super-duper cameras and then sell them off because they've not got the sense to RTFM or invest money in a book (under 5 or US $10), poor old gits like me with no money wouldn't be able to buy secondhand Leica's etc from market stalls, car boot sales and charity shops etc..

Some of my favourite cameras (Canon EOS) cost less than the price of the books I'm suggesting and I wouldn't be wearing an "Omega" Automatic Genve watch if I didn't rummage around there. OTOH a new watch strap quadrupled the price in minutes....

So whilst TBOW is a good rule, I try to keep quiet about it. (TBOW means think before opening wallet - I believe you call them billfolds in the USoA.).

OK, time for the next round in this interesting punch-up..

Regards, David..

Comment #8

Let me join in with a couple of observations:.

1. His website http://www.race-images.co.uk/ seems to show some ability and a level of skill that is somewhat inconsistent with his question..

2. Tracking back through his questions a lot of people have spent a lot of time answering the many that he has posed. Nowhere can I find a heartfelt thank you for the many hours collectively that have been spent answering questions..

3. There is an arrogance about some people who give the minimum and expect others to do the opposite.

4. I rather feel that a couple of good books would pay dividends.

P.S. Turns out he is a near neighbour of mine!.

Stevef1961 wrote.

WTH is up with people who knock other people for spending alot of money on camera gear even if they don't know how to shoot yet. The person's question is very much answerable and it won't take long to get a good feeling for when and where to use a particular metering mode..

I notice you did not answer the OP's question chosing to start a punch up instead! I look forward to your answer with interest..

The "beef" to my mind is not his expenditure (Although I am entitled to raise my eyes in exclamation at the missmatch between knowledge/abiiity and expenditure I doubt I would have voiced it) but the arrogance of an expectation that others will endlessly give of their time to someone who can afford to pay for a course or even private tuition..

Chris Elliott.

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Comment #9

Hi,.

And, thanks cost nothing and are a brilliant investment..

And (2), I can count the number of people who came back and said something like "I decided to buy whatever" after asking and asking questions on my fingers..

And (3), the number who followed it up with "and you were right" can be counted on my thumbs..

But, OTOH, a lot come back to be rude..

Regards, David..

Comment #10

Wayne -.

I am not going to get into the fray, but just a suggestion -.

I think that various cameras have different tendencies, strengths, weaknesses, etc. Why don't you go on the Canon forum to ask your question?.

I have a Pentax and, on the Pentax forum, when someone posts for issues like this, lots of folks are willing to say what they do and to kind of chew the fat on this type of thing. They assume the person knows the basics of the issue and doesn't need a tutorial, but just wants to know what others do as a practical matter. There are lots of opinions, even among experienced users with the same camera. It gets very interesting..

Also, before I post a question, I search the forum and read the history on an issue and what the discussion on the forum has been in the past. Then, if I need clarification, I ask for it..

Again - the above is just a suggestion.....

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Comment #11

Thankyou for your comments, all of them , my main reason for buying this camera was to photograph my youngest son who started racing motorbikes of which I didn't want to miss anything,and the other reason was to learn with the best camera that I could afford and when I did learn I wouldn't have to sell it to improve and loose a lot of money in doing so,but hey I don't have to answer to anybody,i understand most of the people on here have done it the hard way and if they want to keep it a closed shop thats fine,it will just take me a little longer to learn,but I will do it.Thanks again Wayne...

Comment #12

Wayne33 wrote:.

Thankyou for your comments, all of them ,.

No worries, happy to offer advice but I prefer to answer more focused questions..

And I have to defend myself, and the others, against your comments:.

My main reason for buyingthis camera was to photograph my youngest son who started racingmotorbikes of which I didn't want to miss anything,and the otherreason was to learn with the best camera that I could afford.

Well personally I would advise a beginner to choose the "best camera you can afford" on the grounds that you should always get in to the technology cycle at the highest point you can..

But when you're talking about a camera at the very top end, a sort of "diminishing returns" sets in and, personally, I would advise the beginner to stay away from starting off with such a camera just because they can afford it..

In any case, the photos on your site do show that you are capable with the camera, so I encourage you to continue!.

And wheni did learn I wouldn't have to sell it to improve and loose a lot ofmoney in doing so,.

Forgive me, but that doesn't fit with the comment in your opening post about hoping to upgrade to an even more expensive camera before you've mastered the one you've got .

But hey I don't have to answer to anybody,iunderstand most of the people on here have done it the hard way andif they want to keep it a closed shop thats fine,.

It has nothing to do with people wanting to keep a "closed shop" and being unwiling to help beginners..

The people here do not get paid for their advice. Some of them spend hours writing advice on this forum, and they often do so in answering some very, vert basic questions. No-one here is trying to maintain some sort of clique and you do us and yourself a disservice if you assume that this is what this is about..

The thing is, it's a 2 way street, and some people (myself included) are not inclined to put in a lot of effort answering very general questions when it is apparent that the poster has not made much, if any, effort to learn the basics themselves..

If you refer back to my posts where I commented on the nature of your questions, you'll see what I mean..

It will just take mea little longer to learn,but I will do it..

Once again, you misunderstand and you do us and yourself a disservice..

This comment sounds like a whine - "oh, all right, if you won't help me, I'll just have to do it myself and it will take me longer thanks to your unwillingness to help"..

You'll actually learn a lot quicker if you do some research (internet and books) yourself, read the camera's manual, experiment with every setting you want to learn, and then ask the rest of us practical questions about the bits you're having trouble with...

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