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Which dslr is best
I've been researching digital SLR cameras for quite a few months now. I've decided to upgrade from a point and shoot. I travel quite a bit and love to take landscape and wildlife pictures. I've been going back and fourth between the Nikon D80 and the Olympus E-510, but I'm open to any suggestions on great landscape cameras. It also needs to be fairly rugged because I do a lot of hiking and biking so it will get bumped around a little. Also IS would be helpful because I can't always pull out a tripod, and user friendly b/c I've always relied on auto settings.

Thanks..

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Totally subjective...and it really depends on what you plan on doing with it and what your futrure needs might be..

However, I would suggest you narrow your search to only Nikon & Canon as they are the leader in the industry..

-Bruce Allen Hendricks MPA, F.Ph.http://www.impactphotographicdesign.com..

Comment #1

Weather-sealed body, great selection of low cost, high quality lenses (even their kit 18-55mm lens is rated the highest for sharpness at photozone.de when compared with the Nikon and Canon version), and image stabilization built into the sensor..

The best example I've seen of how effectively the K10D works with even old lenses (yes, image stabilization is available for any lens that can mount on the K10D) is in this post:http://forums.dpreview.com/...forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=24858652.

It is because you mentioned that you photograph landscapes that I suggest the K10D. It represents the best value system I can think of. For the price of the D80 plus a zoom lens, you could get the K10D with many fantastic prime lenses..

If you were to shoot lots of action photos though, the K10D wouldn't be as highly recommended owing to it's AF which hunts more than the units on Nikon / Canon..

Good luck!.

Regards, David Chinhttp://pentaxk10d.dpnotes.com/..

Comment #2

There is no best. First you decide how much you are prepeared to spend. List the cameras that come just below that and look at their spec sheets.They will all take great photos.Decide what is important to YOU, not us, we all have different ideas.#.

Do you want a light camera, a camera with a wide angle, lots of pixels maybe for bigger prints. You decide. The information can be seen and compared on this site so you don't have far to go.Jules.

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Comment #3

Thanks so much everyone I guess there is no easy answer, I'll just have to try a few out and pick one...

Comment #4

Five comments.

1. A nice cheap light weight portable monopod will make up for a lack of IS in most situation. I also have a v. portable min tripod that I can set up on walls etc..

2. IS/VR is of limited use with wildlife. It will not stop motion blur. You need high shutter speeds for that.3. Remember you are buying a system not just a camera..

4. The D80 VF is vastly superior to most others in the price range. That may be important for landscapes. You will get similar quality from the discontinued Canon 30D.5. The Pentax K10D is not a beginner's camera.

Chris Elliott.

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Comment #5

Good luck, but don't worry, they are all good!jules.

Lana82 wrote:.

Thanks so much for your help.

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Comment #6

It's extremely important to understand that you're getting into a SYSTEM. Even though your first obvious choice is for a single camera body and maybe one or two lenses, eventually you'll want to add lenses, flashes and other stuff and there's a good chance you'll want to upgrade to a different body at some point. So look at which manufacturers have the best, most complete systems. Also consider that digital cameras are a tough market and there's a really good chance that several current players won't be around in 5 years. If there were such a thing as a camera dead pool, I would think Olympus and Pentax would be in it..

It's really a two horse race with Nikon (my first choice for someone starting out), and Canon neck and neck, and Sony back in the pack but moving up. The other horses are destined for the pasture or the dog food factory..

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Comment #7

Olympus and Pentax are hardly destined for the pasture.Happy Snappin'James..

Comment #8

The one you're holding at the moment is the best..

That or the 1Ds MIII....

*sigh*.

Got 6 grand?..

Comment #9

Lana,.

I bought my first dSLR a couple of months ago. My final 2 choices were the D80 and the E-510. I chose the E-510, but both get good reviews and you cannot go wrong with either camera..

Here is a link to a thread by Ben Hermann over in the Oly forum, comparing the 2 cameras. Ben uses both Nikon and Oly, and he is well respected in both forums.http://forums.dpreview.com/...forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=23669212.

The cameras are actually quite different. I think the D80 is aimed a little higher in the market with it's pentaprism viewfinder, top LCD screen, and optional battery grip. The E-510's live view and compact size makes it a unique creative tool at it's price point..

I decided that the E-510 feature set like Live View, built-in IS, Dustbuster, smaller size and lighter weight and the great reputation of it's kit lenses and pro lenses meant more to me than the D80's feature set. Plus it is less expensive..

So far I am very happy with the E-510. The only thing I miss that the D80 has is the top LCD which gives always on view of the camera settings..

Bruce..

Comment #10

Greg Zillgitt wrote:.

It's extremely important to understand that you're getting into aSYSTEM. Even though your first obvious choice is for a single camerabody and maybe one or two lenses, eventually you'll want to addlenses, flashes and other stuff and there's a good chance you'll wantto upgrade to a different body at some point. So look at whichmanufacturers have the best, most complete systems. Also considerthat digital cameras are a tough market and there's a really goodchance that several current players won't be around in 5 years. Ifthere were such a thing as a camera dead pool, I would think Olympusand Pentax would be in it..

It's really a two horse race with Nikon (my first choice for someonestarting out), and Canon neck and neck, and Sony back in the pack butmoving up. The other horses are destined for the pasture or the dogfood factory..

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A) The K mount will be around...even if Pentax left,(which I would be willing to bet you they will not) as Samsung...which is a HUGE company using it..

B) In 5 years time will you still be using the same camera you are now?....hows that 2mp camera going from 5 years ago? (apologies to those who still are).

What you are doing is telling someone to buy on a company rather than a product...when it is a product the person wants..

The K10D for instance has won almost EVERY award going and Pentax is using that ....just yesterday in a major Australian Paper is a large advert....

EISA Best ProductAmerican Photo editors choice, advanced dslrs camera of the yearMaclife editors choiceTipa best dslr (expert)Camera Grand Prix 2007.

...there is another one there as well....can not remember what.....

The K100d is pretty much the best value camera out at the moment.....in terms of least amount of money...and in terms of bang for buck....the other challenger for band for buck would be Olympus with twin lens kit..

People who want to buy a camera should try as many as they can....and then buy the one that suits them best....if it's Nikon or Canon.....great, happy for them, but it can also be any other brand....who knows for their needs some will just possibly be BETTER cameras..

Neil..

Comment #11

The K10D for instance has won almost EVERY award going and Pentax isusing that ....just yesterday in a major Australian Paper is a largeadvert....

EISA Best ProductAmerican Photo editors choice, advanced dslrs camera of the yearMaclife editors choiceTipa best dslr (expert)Camera Grand Prix 2007.

The Betamax blew away the VHS format in quality. So did the Laser Disk....where are they now?.

Agfa was huge in Europe - bankrupt.Minolt made decent cameras and GREAT Light Meters - bankrupt..

Leica - amazing quality - lost 1/2 of their financially backing and now financially iffyBronica - decent cameras......... discountinuedPolariod US - bankruptKodak - pretty much dead butthe heart isn't smart enough to stop beating.

I said it before and agree with a previous poster....you are buying into a DSLR system for nothing else other then the possibly of expanding in the future. The players are Nikon and Canon - take your pick both are excellent. Sony may be up and coming and have the finacial backing and skill to possibly survive their infancy and make a long term commitment to the DSLR world..

Pentax & Olympus..... I wouldn't bet their long term financial stability IE - their ability to stay in the game. Either way, they are not the leaders..

Forn instance, Lieca makes amazing lenses. Theri bodies are overpriced (my opinion), but optially they are fantastic. Big deal - they almost went broke and are still treding water at best. A year or 2 ago they came out with their "R" model's ability to shoot both film and digital. WOW - AWESOME IDEA......only about a decade or so too late!.

It's never been enough only to make good stuff - Betamax proved it..

Bruce Allen Hendricks MPA, F.Ph.http://www.impactphotographicdesign.com..

Comment #12

In regards to Canon being among the best check out this posting;http://forums.dpreview.com/...forums/read.asp?forum=1002&message=25010845.

As for the alleged demise of Olympus and Pentax people keep saying the same thing about Apple Macs, so go figure. Best advice read the reviews and go out and try them yourself and see which fits you best.RolandgLive long and prosper..

Comment #13

Bruce Allen Hendricks wrote:.

The K10D for instance has won almost EVERY award going and Pentax isusing that ....just yesterday in a major Australian Paper is a largeadvert....

EISA Best ProductAmerican Photo editors choice, advanced dslrs camera of the yearMaclife editors choiceTipa best dslr (expert)Camera Grand Prix 2007.

The Betamax blew away the VHS format in quality. So did the LaserDisk....where are they now?.

Hmm I thought these were different things.

Agfa was huge in Europe - bankrupt..

Agfa was big world wide...made great film...how much film is used now?.

Minolt made decent cameras and GREAT Light Meters - bankrupt..

And you can still use your minolta cameras...they work like any other until they stop....just like Canon and Nikon....and then you can use the lenses on Sony cameras..

Leica - amazing quality - lost 1/2 of their financially backing andnow financially iffy.

There will always be people willing to pay more than they they are worth...made great film cameras that MAY have been worth it but I doubt they can justify that price level for digital..

Bronica - decent cameras......... discountinued.

Medium format FILM wasnt it?.

Polariod US - bankrupt.

Instant FILM wasn't it? (then sold the name for minor digicams?).

Kodak - pretty much dead butthe heart isn't smart enough to stop beating.

My memory is a bit hazy but what did they make as a core business?......something to do with FILM was it?.

I said it before and agree with a previous poster....you are buyinginto a DSLR system for nothing else other then the possibly ofexpanding in the future. The players are Nikon and Canon - take yourpick both are excellent. Sony may be up and coming and have thefinacial backing and skill to possibly survive their infancy and makea long term commitment to the DSLR world..

Pentax & Olympus..... I wouldn't bet their long term financialstability IE - their ability to stay in the game. Either way, theyare not the leaders..

Forn instance, Lieca makes amazing lenses. Theri bodies areoverpriced (my opinion), but optially they are fantastic. Big deal -they almost went broke and are still treding water at best. A yearor 2 ago they came out with their "R" model's ability to shoot bothfilm and digital. WOW - AWESOME IDEA......only about a decade or sotoo late!.

It's never been enough only to make good stuff - Betamax proved it..

Bruce Allen Hendricks MPA, F.Ph.http://www.impactphotographicdesign.com.

So let me get this straight.....because the K10d is winning most of the awards ...you should not buy it?..

Because some companies have gone bust ...then Pentax and Oly...who have been making profits and been around for decades at the same size will as well?.

You should NEVER buy a product from any company other than the 2 biggest (when Sony or Samsung (using k mount) passes Canon will you still have the same tune?)..

A camera is a product to use NOW...not what is going to happen in 5 years....if someone is a professional photographer they know what they will want...and as for an enthusiast spending a thousand or so on a camera and lens.....even *IF* one comapny went bust (highly unlikely) AND the mount for that company was no longer used (even more unlikely) they would still have their camera and access to thousand of lenses bodies etc. In the Canikon forums there are always people jumping ship and spending far more doing so than an enthusiast buying Oly/Sony/Pentax camera with a kit lens or 3.

You do not want to buy Pentax cos you will have to change mounts later....anyone got lots of Canon FD stuff?.

I see you are a photographer....are there more than 2 in your area?...if so better close up and work in a grocery store.neil..

Comment #14

Not to mention Pentax and Olympus make many things beyond DSLRs.....

Comment #15

Apiron wrote:.

Not to mention Pentax and Olympus make many things beyond DSLRs....

Yes! And they are in the top 2 in some fields!!.

I think it simply comes down to people saying to others anything other than try as many cameras as you can and buy whats best for THEM having an agenda to push..

For me as a rank amatuer I do not want to spend a fortune but still want the goodies....300 2.8, 135 1.8 50 1.2, image stabilisation, good low light performance etc etc ....at a total cost less than a single lens for other brands.....THATS why I stay with Pentax...I get to buy old stuff that is still excellent and use it..

My pentaxes get me places I would not other wise get...as a hobby..

Others with other needs WILL find Nikon or Canon or whoever better..

Oh and to Bruce Hendricks....saying you should give up and work in a grocery store has NOTHING to do with your photo ability...in fact If you are the best in your area it would not matter...actually that would prove my point...a google search of winnipeg photographer has not got you anywhere....so any but the top two should give up.....right?.

Neil..

Comment #16

Neil holmes wrote:.

Bruce Allen Hendricks wrote:.

The K10D for instance has won almost EVERY award going and Pentax isusing that ....just yesterday in a major Australian Paper is a largeadvert....

You can take the award and $3.95 and buy coffee at any Starbucks. Who is going to be around in the long run? Probably Nikon, Canon, Sony. Pentax may make an award winning camera but they are just a blip on the radar..

If you enjoy it that's great, but for a newbie, I would stay clear of Pentax and BetaMax!.

EISA Best ProductAmerican Photo editors choice, advanced dslrs camera of the year.

Maybe they should have tried Nikon or Canon.

Maclife editors choice.

Who are they?.

Tipa best dslr (expert).

Again, who is Tipa?.

Camera Grand Prix 2007.

Never head of 'em..

Stick with the leaders. You won't be sorry..

The Betamax blew away the VHS format in quality. So did the LaserDisk....where are they now?.

Hmm I thought these were different things.

Agfa was huge in Europe - bankrupt..

Agfa was big world wide...made great film...how much film is used now?.

Minolt made decent cameras and GREAT Light Meters - bankrupt..

And you can still use your minolta cameras...they work like any otheruntil they stop....just like Canon and Nikon....and then you can usethe lenses on Sony cameras..

Leica - amazing quality - lost 1/2 of their financially backing andnow financially iffy.

There will always be people willing to pay more than they they areworth...made great film cameras that MAY have been worth it but Idoubt they can justify that price level for digital..

Bronica - decent cameras......... discountinued.

Medium format FILM wasnt it?.

Polariod US - bankrupt.

Instant FILM wasn't it? (then sold the name for minor digicams?).

Kodak - pretty much dead butthe heart isn't smart enough to stop beating.

My memory is a bit hazy but what did they make as a corebusiness?......something to do with FILM was it?.

I said it before and agree with a previous poster....you are buyinginto a DSLR system for nothing else other then the possibly ofexpanding in the future. The players are Nikon and Canon - take yourpick both are excellent. Sony may be up and coming and have thefinacial backing and skill to possibly survive their infancy and makea long term commitment to the DSLR world..

Pentax & Olympus..... I wouldn't bet their long term financialstability IE - their ability to stay in the game. Either way, theyare not the leaders..

Forn instance, Lieca makes amazing lenses. Theri bodies areoverpriced (my opinion), but optially they are fantastic. Big deal -they almost went broke and are still treding water at best. A yearor 2 ago they came out with their "R" model's ability to shoot bothfilm and digital. WOW - AWESOME IDEA......only about a decade or sotoo late!.

It's never been enough only to make good stuff - Betamax proved it..

Bruce Allen Hendricks MPA, F.Ph.http://www.impactphotographicdesign.com.

So let me get this straight.....because the K10d is winning most ofthe awards ...you should not buy it?..

I wouldn't buy into it. Here today Gone tomorrow........

Because some companies have gone bust ...then Pentax and Oly...whohave been making profits and been around for decades at the same sizewill as well?.

You should NEVER buy a product from any company other than the 2biggest (when Sony or Samsung (using k mount) passes Canon will youstill have the same tune?)..

A camera is a product to use NOW...not what is going to happen in 5years....if someone is a professional photographer they know whatthey will want...and as for an enthusiast spending a thousand or soon a camera and lens.....even *IF* one comapny went bust (highlyunlikely) AND the mount for that company was no longer used (evenmore unlikely) they would still have their camera and access tothousand of lenses bodies etc. In the Canikon forums there arealways people jumping ship and spending far more doing so than anenthusiast buying Oly/Sony/Pentax camera with a kit lens or 3.

You do not want to buy Pentax cos you will have to change mountslater....anyone got lots of Canon FD stuff?.

I see you are a photographer....are there more than 2 in yourarea?...if so better close up and work in a grocery store.neil.

Give me a break.......

Comment #17

Neil holmes wrote:.

I see you are a photographer....are there more than 2 in yourarea?...if so better close up and work in a grocery store..

Hmmm, nothing like taking a discussion and trying to turn it into a personal attacK..

Yes I am a photographer. As such I realize that the industry in changing incredibly, has been specifically starting 5-8 years ago. Solid companies have gone down. Very respected companies have made foolish mistakes in the transition into the digital world (Kodak for instance)..

As others on this forum wrote - there are really only 2 players in the DSLR world. Canon and Nikon. You can qoute all the awards you want, but no other DSLR brand can match what these 2 have done. If Kodak can screw it's DSLR customers, any company who doesn't handle the transition to digital can..

Pentax and Olympus have always been bit players in the grand scheme of things. When you are buying a DSLR "system" you look for future expansion unless you are willing to throw money away. Canon and Nikon alolw for the most flexibility down the road. There is no dening that..

And yes...I am a photographer. That means I understand a little about equipment..

Bruce Allen Hendricks MPA, F.Ph.http://www.impactphotographicdesign.com..

Comment #18

Bruce Allen Hendricks wrote:.

Neil holmes wrote:.

I see you are a photographer....are there more than 2 in yourarea?...if so better close up and work in a grocery store..

Hmmm, nothing like taking a discussion and trying to turn it into apersonal attacK..

Yes I am a photographer. As such I realize that the industry inchanging incredibly, has been specifically starting 5-8 years ago.Solid companies have gone down. Very respected companies have madefoolish mistakes in the transition into the digital world (Kodak forinstance)..

As others on this forum wrote - there are really only 2 players inthe DSLR world. Canon and Nikon. You can qoute all the awards youwant, but no other DSLR brand can match what these 2 have done. IfKodak can screw it's DSLR customers, any company who doesn't handlethe transition to digital can..

Pentax and Olympus have always been bit players in the grand schemeof things. When you are buying a DSLR "system" you look for futureexpansion unless you are willing to throw money away. Canon andNikon alolw for the most flexibility down the road. There is nodening that..

And yes...I am a photographer. That means I understand a littleabout equipment..

Bruce Allen Hendricks MPA, F.Ph.http://www.impactphotographicdesign.com.

Hi.

I can not see how you would think it's a personal attack....has nothing to do with ability (see my follow up post)....I am sure you are a far better photog than I am...its a hobby for me...that does not mean you are right though.....

You seem to beliieve that people should ONLY buy from the top 2 dslr makers...so why not only the top 2 car makers, or top 2 photographers (does not matter if others are better)....can only be the top 2...right? and if not why not? This just simply does not make sense..

Again Canon and Nikon make good cameras and for some people they are the best...for others they are not..

Neil..

Comment #19

GaryK1 wrote:.

Neil holmes wrote:.

Bruce Allen Hendricks wrote:.

The K10D for instance has won almost EVERY award going and Pentax isusing that ....just yesterday in a major Australian Paper is a largeadvert....

You can take the award and $3.95 and buy coffee at any Starbucks.Who is going to be around in the long run? Probably Nikon, Canon,Sony. Pentax may make an award winning camera but they are just ablip on the radar..

Yes Who is gunna be around in the long run? what is Canon putting out next year?...the year after? You should be a billionaire by now picking winning companies..

My crystal ball is not as clear as yours so I would not like to say which companies will be around... I am guessing those that are making profits now MAY be....but even then I doubt if in 5 years we will still be using dslrs as we know it..

Oh well you will be able to pick up some bargains from Canon as they try and stop the bleeding to Nikon over the coming year..

If you enjoy it that's great, but for a newbie, I would stay clear ofPentax and BetaMax!.

EISA Best ProductAmerican Photo editors choice, advanced dslrs camera of the year.

Maybe they should have tried Nikon or Canon.

Maclife editors choice.

Who are they?.

Tipa best dslr (expert).

Again, who is Tipa?.

Camera Grand Prix 2007.

Never head of 'em..

These and the other awards are the same ones that Nikon and Canon use in THEIR ads when they win....like I think the Nikon D3 will next year..

Stick with the leaders. You won't be sorry..

If you wanna pay more for less ....sure..

The Betamax blew away the VHS format in quality. So did the LaserDisk....where are they now?.

Hmm I thought these were different things.

Agfa was huge in Europe - bankrupt..

Agfa was big world wide...made great film...how much film is used now?.

Minolt made decent cameras and GREAT Light Meters - bankrupt..

And you can still use your minolta cameras...they work like any otheruntil they stop....just like Canon and Nikon....and then you can usethe lenses on Sony cameras..

Leica - amazing quality - lost 1/2 of their financially backing andnow financially iffy.

There will always be people willing to pay more than they they areworth...made great film cameras that MAY have been worth it but Idoubt they can justify that price level for digital..

Bronica - decent cameras......... discountinued.

Medium format FILM wasnt it?.

Polariod US - bankrupt.

Instant FILM wasn't it? (then sold the name for minor digicams?).

Kodak - pretty much dead butthe heart isn't smart enough to stop beating.

My memory is a bit hazy but what did they make as a corebusiness?......something to do with FILM was it?.

I said it before and agree with a previous poster....you are buyinginto a DSLR system for nothing else other then the possibly ofexpanding in the future. The players are Nikon and Canon - take yourpick both are excellent. Sony may be up and coming and have thefinacial backing and skill to possibly survive their infancy and makea long term commitment to the DSLR world..

Pentax & Olympus..... I wouldn't bet their long term financialstability IE - their ability to stay in the game. Either way, theyare not the leaders..

Forn instance, Lieca makes amazing lenses. Theri bodies areoverpriced (my opinion), but optially they are fantastic. Big deal -they almost went broke and are still treding water at best. A yearor 2 ago they came out with their "R" model's ability to shoot bothfilm and digital. WOW - AWESOME IDEA......only about a decade or sotoo late!.

It's never been enough only to make good stuff - Betamax proved it..

Bruce Allen Hendricks MPA, F.Ph.http://www.impactphotographicdesign.com.

So let me get this straight.....because the K10d is winning most ofthe awards ...you should not buy it?..

I wouldn't buy into it. Here today Gone tomorrow........

Because some companies have gone bust ...then Pentax and Oly...whohave been making profits and been around for decades at the same sizewill as well?.

You should NEVER buy a product from any company other than the 2biggest (when Sony or Samsung (using k mount) passes Canon will youstill have the same tune?)..

A camera is a product to use NOW...not what is going to happen in 5years....if someone is a professional photographer they know whatthey will want...and as for an enthusiast spending a thousand or soon a camera and lens.....even *IF* one comapny went bust (highlyunlikely) AND the mount for that company was no longer used (evenmore unlikely) they would still have their camera and access tothousand of lenses bodies etc. In the Canikon forums there arealways people jumping ship and spending far more doing so than anenthusiast buying Oly/Sony/Pentax camera with a kit lens or 3.

You do not want to buy Pentax cos you will have to change mountslater....anyone got lots of Canon FD stuff?.

I see you are a photographer....are there more than 2 in yourarea?...if so better close up and work in a grocery store.neil.

Give me a break......

Ah well no point going around in circles so ...this is it for me...until the next time someone comes up with the stupid ...only Nikon or Canon thing regardless of the persons need..

Note to Phil...can we just have the beginners forum merged into Nikon and Canon ones please...it will make it so much easier for some people..

Neil..

Comment #20

What you do now will have a major effect on your future..

If you're just looking to snap a few pictures, and don't require a wide range of lenses and accessories, any of the current DSLR's will do very well..

But if you should get a bit more serious (who's to know?) then the choice you make now will determine your future path (once you have invested in glass, it's expensive to switch brands)..

While we can't predict the future, our best bet is to assume the future will be based on the present..

In this regard, two brands come to mind. Neither one is a newcomer yet to be proven, and neither one is struggling. Both have a superb line of accessories.Glenn NKVictoria, BC..

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