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Which DLSR camera?
I know you guys have answered this so many times, but I will appreciate the help..

I am brand new to SLR and have only ever used small point and shoot cameras before. I have been interested in learning to work with these sort of cameras for a few years now and decided to go for it..

Right now I will mainly be using it for concerts (mainly small venues) so something that will capture good motion with all those backlights, in convention halls (which can be some distance from the subject) and just mainly learning how to take good pictures in different settings..

My main point here is to learn these cameras but I am a college student so I don't have much to spend. I don't know much of the lingo or what applys to where so I want something basic and if it something that I can get greatly into I can always upgrade later..

I have been reading a bit about Nikon and Canon and really don't know which to go for so I know it can come done to feel but technically is one better. Other brands are good as well. I am looking to spend about $800...

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For concerts, assuming you don't use a flash as many artists hate those thing popping off in their eyes, you'll need a fast lens - one with a constant f2.8 would be nice and a camera that performs well at high ISO settings. Image stabilization would be nice too, such as found in the Pentax K10D. Remember, though, that image stabilization does not help with moving objects so it may not come in handy for concert shooting. You can also buy image stabilized lenses for a camera such as a Nikon or Canon that don't have the image stabilization built-in to the camera body.My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com.

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Nat84 wrote:.

Right now I will mainly be using it for concerts (mainly smallvenues) so something that will capture good motion with all thosebacklights, in convention halls (which can be some distance from thesubject) and just mainly learning how to take good pictures indifferent settings..

1. Nikon D40. The best low light performer among entry level DSLR's. Image Quality is also one of the best. You can buy it with twin kit lens at around $550 on amazon..

2. Pentax K100D super will give you image-stabilzation (CCD-Shift) too. It is also good performer in low light. It will also cost about the same..

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

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Ajay0612 wrote:.

1. Nikon D40. The best low light performer among entry level DSLR's.Image Quality is also one of the best. You can buy it with twin kitlens at around $550 on amazon..

I figured this would be a good starting one and one that I have been looking into..

I found the camera with lenses. Are those the lenses to the best starting point?.

2. Pentax K100D super will give you image-stabilzation (CCD-Shift)too. It is also good performer in low light. It will also cost aboutthe same..

I haven't looked at this brand. I will have to check it out...

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Just note that with the Nikon D40 and D40X, there is no in-camera auto-focus motor. Therefore, in order to use AF you have to buy lenses that have their own AF motors. Some of the lenses I use on my NIkon D50 would not auto-focus with the D40. There are quite a few Nikon lenses that have the AF motors and now Sigma have been equipping a lot of their lenses with AF motors that didn't have them before.My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com.

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Nat84 wrote:.

Ajay0612 wrote:.

1. Nikon D40. The best low light performer among entry level DSLR's.Image Quality is also one of the best. You can buy it with twin kitlens at around $550 on amazon..

I figured this would be a good starting one and one that I have beenlooking into..

I found the camera with lenses. Are those the lenses to the beststarting point?.

Nikon Kit lenses are a bit better than others (Olympus & Panasonic have still better kit lenses). Good enough and great value.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

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Nat84 wrote:.

I know you guys have answered this so many times, but I willappreciate the help..

I am brand new to SLR and have only ever used small point and shootcameras before. I have been interested in learning to work with thesesort of cameras for a few years now and decided to go for it..

Right now I will mainly be using it for concerts (mainly smallvenues) so something that will capture good motion with all thosebacklights, in convention halls (which can be some distance from thesubject) and just mainly learning how to take good pictures indifferent settings..

My main point here is to learn these cameras but I am a collegestudent so I don't have much to spend. I don't know much of the lingoor what applys to where so I want something basic and if it somethingthat I can get greatly into I can always upgrade later..

I have been reading a bit about Nikon and Canon and really don't knowwhich to go for so I know it can come done to feel but technically isone better. Other brands are good as well. I am looking to spendabout $800..

Hi.

I think you need to try as many cameras as you can...see what they feel like to you...if you like the sound.etc etc etc..

While there are some cameras I would not use for concerts, which is a BETTER low light camera is a matter of opinion..

For me you can buy any 6mp Sony chip camera or 8mp canon and they will all be good. Others get good results from 10mp entry level cameras, and others use the newer Olympus cameras for concerts with good results..

You will probably be better served by a camera that has at least a good iso 1600 and a usable iso 3200 if possible..

I use a Pentax K100d and IST*D for live music and I believe they are as good as anything else. Both 6mp Sony sensor cameras.

This was from 2006 at iso 3200 with my almost 4 year old Ist*D (which is hardly used anymore because of the larger screen and the anti shake (which I brilliant to ME)).

The Gingers.

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Note ..while antishake does not "stop motion"...what it does is mean a better chance at blur free background so you will get less blur on blur....After looking at my shutter speeds used, I now think It actually DOES help a little in this environment because many shots will be usable of performers taken at speeds like 1/10 or so where some people may get the shakes (as long as it's not a punk band or other high energy act). a little subject movement can help a music photo...ie gutarists hand or drummers sticks..

Cameras are good enough now to enable you to use slower lenses from time to time, so you should be able to use a kit lens....if you do, you WILL miss shots and in a really dim setting you may have to pass, but I have no trouble using even 5.6 from time to time...slower in outdoor /daytime gigs..

The next generation of cameras is something to look forward to...have a look at the Nikon D3 forum ...Starting to see iso 6400 live music pics at day time speeds....should start appearing at slower apertures soon too....something that should follow soon to other cameras..

Bottom line is they are pretty much all good for what you want...take what YOU like and have fun....do not forget the earplugs!.

Neil.

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Really, I'm not kidding..

All of the current entry-level cameras will do quite nicely - and on the Canon front, you can still get a 350D/XT new at some stores...

From either Canon or Nikon, the 50/1.8 lens - inexpensive... good bang for the buck...

You will need a wide-angle as well - the wider the better, with f/2.8 at a minimum...

Practice and learning will get you improving results..

You might want to check out your local Craigslist - you can get some decent deals there, especially on lenses (be sure to check current 'new' prices at a local store or online though)...

Have fun!.

Cheers,S.**My XT IS Full Frame APS-C/FF of course!*****So is my 5D 35mm/FF**..

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I am looking for something pretty easy as I still do not understand a lot of the settings. I have starting playing with my dad's Canon SD750 but digital zoom seems to distort things too much and high ISO is not to good. I think the only thing I am getting the hang of is the macro setting..

Thanks Peter. I have been doing the reading this past week and have come across the issue with the AF lenses. Because I am so new I don't beleve this will be an issue for me yet..

Neil holmes wrote:.

I think you need to try as many cameras as you can...see what theyfeel like to you...if you like the sound.etc etc etc..

Wish I could do this. My only option is to hold one at a store and decide from that what camera I will be using. Unfortunately, you don't know how well the camera will be until you buy it and then it is a bit harder to return..

I know for my price range I might not get the best for concert settings but something that will capture decent movement and deal with the colored lights that are always in the back. I know usually these can still be good for daytime shots..

Thanks for all the replys. It is a great help...

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Nat84 wrote:.

I am looking for something pretty easy as I still do not understand alot of the settings. I have starting playing with my dad's CanonSD750 but digital zoom seems to distort things too much and high ISOis not to good. I think the only thing I am getting the hang of isthe macro setting..

Thanks Peter. I have been doing the reading this past week and havecome across the issue with the AF lenses. Because I am so new I don'tbeleve this will be an issue for me yet..

Neil holmes wrote:.

I think you need to try as many cameras as you can...see what theyfeel like to you...if you like the sound.etc etc etc..

Wish I could do this. My only option is to hold one at a store anddecide from that what camera I will be using. Unfortunately, youdon't know how well the camera will be until you buy it and then itis a bit harder to return..

I know for my price range I might not get the best for concertsettings but something that will capture decent movement and dealwith the colored lights that are always in the back. I know usuallythese can still be good for daytime shots..

Thanks for all the replys. It is a great help..

Hi.

The thing is that some cheap cameras ARE among the best for concerts...well short of something like a Nikon D3 or pro grade Canon at several times the price but MOST cameras will do a good job..

Its just that (for example) with the K100d you have a small buffer and the autofocus is not as quick as others (quick enough though) the shutter sound is a bit louder than most, and it's not weather sealed (again though, mine survives light showers with careful looking after). So while it IS good for concerts It is not the most ideal camera for (say) motorsport or birds in flight....ALL cameras have their shortcomings ...you just have to pick the one that has the least shortcomings for what YOU want to do, and feels right to you at YOUR price..

So yes the cheapest cameras right now would probably be the Pentax K100d or the Nikon D40...and they would both be among the best for this in my opinion (personally I would opt for a Nikon D50 or D70s over the D40 but thats just me)..

Neil..

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