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Which digital SLR to get??
Hi. I'm a college student needing a SLR for class/major. I'm interested in scenery pictures and action sport shots. It would be a nice plus if the camera can withstand extreme temperatures (like snow fields.. mountains.. etc).

I've played w/ my dad's old cheap digital SLR but it's now time for me to get my own.

My budget is around $1500 to start with, but saving money is always great. Though I will want to get more lenses later..

I want an intermediate camera. For my classes/major, getting a beginner camera now only means getting an intermediate camera in about a year, which is just not worth it..

I've heard good things about the Nikon D40x (and one salesman tried really hard to sell me this) but I am interested in the Canon 40D (Canon EOS 40D, correct?) because it seems to be a very popular camera, and that it is highly rated..

But I don't know if I 40D is the right one for me (it is kinda expensive for a college student)..

I know that I want a camera with a variety of options...

Need high ISO.. very long shutter speed.. more than 3 fps at least.. and just suitable for all sorts of pictures..

So I need help! What camera would you suggest me to get? Why?And what lenses would I need?.

Also, and I don't know how to deal with this... should I get the camera from local electronic stores (hard to find a camera store around my town) or find a store online? (and which stores online?).

This is a very broad question and I apologize, but I'm simply clueless and need help.Thanks in advance!..

Comments (32)

The standard advice is :.

- Get The Cheapest DSLR You Like Using -.

Lets be sensible. You are a college student. Money is tight. You don't know what the difference between a 40D and any other DSLR is so why do you want it ? In simple terms you might never use the difference - a modern entry level DSLR is a very well equipped beast !.

A basic entry level DSLR will do fine, as will kit lenses. Unless you have a specific feature you need that they don't have and a budget to match there is no purpose going any other route..

I suggest you ask the college what DSLR would be needed ( in terms on required (!) features )..

StephenG.

Pentax K100DFuji S5200Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #1

Max,There are a number of things to consider when buying your first DSLR.Lenses are in general more important than cameras..

A relatively inexpensive camera with a good lens will give you better pictures than an expensive camera with a cheap lens..

If robustness is important, than the Canon 40D and Nikon D200 are the obvious choices for you, but they are relatively expensive. You could start with a cheap kit lens (18-55), but a 17-85 (Canon) or 18-135 (Nikon) would make more sense (although both options will exceed your budget by around $200)..

You also have to look at your future needs. Do you intend to spend money on high quality lenses in the near future? In general the Nikon consumer lenses are better than the Canon equivalents. But Canon has a number of excellent lenses in the $600 range (10-22, 17-40 f/4 and 70-200 f/4) which are more expensive at Nikon or not available at all..

When it comes to user interface, I much prefer Nikon over Canon. So it is also a matter of personal preference..

I buy most of my camera gear at B&H, which is a reliable online seller and has competative prices..

Regards,.

Fred Kamphueshttp://www.millhouse.nl/digitaltalk.html..

Comment #2

Get a Canon 350D. They are selling very, VERY cheap. The camera is feature rich and pictures are of exellent quality. Great camera to learn. Use the money you save to start your lens collection. You can mount any new Canon lens on a 350D...

Comment #3

If you're looking for a camera that will still satisfy your photographic needs once you've got the hang of it, than I'd forget about purely amateur models like the D40(x) and the 350d..

Many stores are still listing the Canon EOS 30d and the Nikon D200. These cameras are still really great to use, sturdy and capable of delivering semi-professional results which you'll never get from an entry-level model like the D40 or the 350/400d..

Because both the 30d and the D200 have now been replaced by newer models, prices are dropping fast. Your budget of $ 1500 will allow you to buy either of these models and you may still have enough left to buy one or two very decent lenses..

There's no problem so big that you can't run away from it!..

Comment #4

Max W wrote:.

Hi. I'm a college student needing a SLR for class/major. I'minterested in scenery pictures and action sport shots. It would be anice plus if the camera can withstand extreme temperatures (like snowfields.. mountains.. etc).

I've played w/ my dad's old cheap digital SLR but it's now time forme to get my own.

My budget is around $1500 to start with, but saving money is alwaysgreat. Though I will want to get more lenses later..

I want an intermediate camera. For my classes/major, getting abeginner camera now only means getting an intermediate camera inabout a year, which is just not worth it..

I've heard good things about the Nikon D40x (and one salesman triedreally hard to sell me this) but I am interested in the Canon 40D(Canon EOS 40D, correct?) because it seems to be a very popularcamera, and that it is highly rated..

But I don't know if I 40D is the right one for me (it is kindaexpensive for a college student)..

I know that I want a camera with a variety of options..Need high ISO.. very long shutter speed.. more than 3 fps at least..and just suitable for all sorts of pictures..

So I need help! What camera would you suggest me to get? Why?And what lenses would I need?.

Also, and I don't know how to deal with this... should I get thecamera from local electronic stores (hard to find a camera storearound my town) or find a store online? (and which stores online?).

This is a very broad question and I apologize, but I'm simplyclueless and need help.Thanks in advance!.

Hi.

While I DO think that you should get a cheaper dslr and better glass, I can understand why you have specified what you want..

Since you have specified MORE than 3 frames per second you have limitied yourself to Pro Canon 1d series, Canon 20d,30d and 40d, The Sony A700, Pro Nikon D2 series and D200 & D300 and D3...thats about it....well there is the Nikon D1 and D1h at less than 3mp..

Of those cameras The Nikon D3, D300 and D2xs and ALL The newer Canon 1 series are out of your budget....

You might get a heavily used Canon 1dmkII without lens, heavily used Nikon D2x without lens or Nikon d2hs without lens (if your lucky with enough left for a cheap lens)..

You could maybe get a new Nikon D200 body only or Sony A700 body or Canon 40D body...guess they will be within your price range with lens very soon if not now..

That leaves you looking at a used Canon 1d,1ds, 20d or 30d or a used Nikon D2h..

Each of those has it's pluses...For what you want the best mix of features vs not TOO old and used would be the Canon 30d...I can live with the smaller file size so would probably opt for the Nikon D2H or I would go with the FF 1Ds...of those that is. (though I am happy with my Pentaxes)..

Then again with a slew of new cameras coming out soon....maybe wait a month..

Hope that helps.

Neil..

Comment #5

Before The Oly standard bearers arrive and punish me...there is also the E3 (which is out of budget)..

Neil..

Comment #6

Perhaps I really should start with an entry level SLR..Would Nikon D40x be a good choice?.

But then again, I'd probably get another camera in a year...

I want something that is durable and will still be powerful in a few years.....

Comment #7

My two cents on a recommendation....

Buy a Nikon D80 with a AF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 DX VR Zoom Lens. The D80 camera has been around for a while so the price is donw and the lens is fairly new and get's great reviews. I googled "nikon d80 kit 200mm" and found a few for around $1500..

Here are a few links about the camera and lens:http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD80/http://www.dpreview.com/news/0511/05110103nikon18-200vr.asp.

Good luck....

Ed RockwellNikon D70..

Comment #8

Max,.

It sounds like you are looking at a future in photography, if this is the case, think of future compatibility and lense/accessory availability. (by the way, what kind of SLR does your dad have...if it is a Canon or Nikon, perhaps you can share those lenses with your new purchase)..

Now to my point, if you like the 40D but you are tight on money, why not a 20D or 30D, they shoot around 5 fps, have a great sensor (especially for lower light, higher iso), good autofocus and great support from third parties for lenses and other accessories PLUS, the used market for accessories is huge..

If you want to go Nikon and you are going new, I would probably get the D40 instead of the D40x. I understand the noise characteristics of the 6mp sensor is better than the 10mp (but I don't have experience to confirm that). However, 10mp may be better for you as you mention you will be doing landscapes, perhaps you will notice some detail differences. This also brings up the point of tripods, if you are doing landscapes, do you already have a tripod or is this going to have to be purchased..

People also beat up on the "consumer" lenses, they aren't that bad. I have seen some great pictures from the "cheap" 18-55 mm lenses from Nikon and Canon and the newer IS versions of the 18-55 from Canon and Nikon are supposed to be quite good for the money. I also have the cheapest canon consumer lense that I know of (the 50mm 1.8) and I can tell you, for the money, you can't beat it..

Just my thoughts, good luck on your purchase...

Comment #9

H,.

The 20D is a fantastic piece of kit-you will probably be able to find a good used one with a grip for $500.Add the lenses of your choice and or maybe a flashgun and you will be nicely within your budget.The beauty of buying a 20D now is that it will hold it's money if you decide to sell on in a years time.Equally it would be a great backup body if you want to keep itBut most importantly it will take great pics now!PJT..

Comment #10

Thank you guys for the replies.

I think I will start small with my first purchase, new or used..

Since I think you guys are right in saying that maybe the Canon 40D is a bit too much to start with. Maybe a 20D. Then 40D in the future? Wait.. hmm...

I think right now I'm torn between.. Canon and Nikon..

An used Canon 20D, or 40D... or Nikon D40 or D40x?.

If it is between those, which would you guys recommend?.

Or other models?.

I wish I was more decisive. It's just that a purchase like this worries me a whole lot....

Yes, ShawnCo, I am looking at this in the long run. It needs to be something that I can keep using for years to come (or can easily be upgraded/replaced without buying new lenses and equipments, etc).

I'm going tor read over everybody's replies again and read some more reviews.If anybody has any more inputs, please let me know..

Also, I need help w/ what lenses to get! (I'm clueless!).

Thank you!..

Comment #11

Max W wrote:.

Thank you guys for the replies.

I think I will start small with my first purchase, new or used.Since I think you guys are right in saying that maybe the Canon 40Dis a bit too much to start with. Maybe a 20D. Then 40D in thefuture? Wait.. hmm...

I think right now I'm torn between.. Canon and Nikon..

An used Canon 20D, or 40D... or Nikon D40 or D40x?.

If it is between those, which would you guys recommend?.

Or other models?.

I wish I was more decisive. It's just that a purchase like thisworries me a whole lot....

Yes, ShawnCo, I am looking at this in the long run. It needs to besomething that I can keep using for years to come (or can easily beupgraded/replaced without buying new lenses and equipments, etc).

I'm going tor read over everybody's replies again and read some morereviews.If anybody has any more inputs, please let me know..

Also, I need help w/ what lenses to get! (I'm clueless!).

Thank you!.

Max, It is my opinion that the 20D or 30D is a better camera than the Nikon D40 or D40x and in my opinion a better camera for you based on two of your criteria. The first is the durability. Don't get me wrong, the D40 is a well constucted camera for an entry level unit however the 20D/30D bodies have a very solid magnesium alloy frame and I can tell you from experience that my 20D (before I sold it) had it's share of bumps and bruises. The D40 series (I have played with my neighbors) doesn't feel anywhere near as solid. The second reason is the fps, to get 3 fps out of a D40, you would have to be in optional conditions, the 20D seemed to get 4 or 5 fps very easily (within reason, i.e. reasonable shutter speed).

Okay, I will give you one more, and this is really a personal preference...it may not be right for you, the size of the D40 is just too small for me. I am not a huge guy but the D40 (and the Canon 400D for that matter) are just way to small for me to comfortably handle..

As for lenses, don't go too crazy right out of the gate. If you do get a used 20D/30D body, see what lense it comes with, even if it is only the 18-55 kit lense (shouldn't cost very much more than just the body alone), keep it, try it out, see what you like and don't like about it. I have seen some really nice images people have taken with it. If you really wanted to get another lense, you need to determine what would be it's primary use. The inexpensive 50 1.8 produces really nice photos and is great fun to play with and get the feel of really fast aperatures. It isn't the most durable lense but it is less than $100 USD if memory serves me correctly.

I only have one sigma lense (the every cool 12-24mm...) but other have very high praise for them...once they get a decent copy. Personally, I think that many people hear spend too much time worrying about how sharp their lense is or if there is 1mm front or back focus. Professionals need to worry about this stuff, amatures like me don't need to worry that much about it. That said, I did return my first 12-24 as the edges were very soft...but it is an ultra wide...lenses have compromises. I have considered getting a sigma 18-200mm OS (sigma-ese for image stabilization)for when I feel lazy but there is a beleif that the image quality compromised for huge zoom convenience isn't worth the trouble..

Okay, I got a little off track, but the point I was trying to make is that you know what you are going to photograph more than any of us out here. If you don't see yourself shooting distant subjects, perhaps hold off on the telephoto and purchase a flash instead (the on board flashes are really harsh most times). Using an external flash and bouncing it off a ceiling or wall makes a huge difference comparing to the on-board unit..

Also remember, you will need memory cards and perhaps some other stuff like a bag to carry all your new gear in..

I don't know if I helped...I hope so. I would just hate to see you go out and buy a bunch of lenses right off and then find out that you don't need them or won't use them. Sometimes playing around with some of the least expensive stuff will guide you to the right lense for you...

Comment #12

Yes that's helpful, thank you.

This makes me regret not buying a 20D from a family friend a few months ago.He offered but I was hesitant..

I might have some trouble finding an used one though..I know the store has a new one.. perhaps I'll go for that?.

Anyways, I'm getting the camera tomorrowLast suggestions to sway me?Or give me more knowledge?.

Thanks!..

Comment #13

Check out ebay,it is also a great source for lenses.PJT..

Comment #14

Max W wrote:.

Yes that's helpful, thank you.

This makes me regret not buying a 20D from a family friend a fewmonths ago.He offered but I was hesitant..

I might have some trouble finding an used one though..I know the store has a new one.. perhaps I'll go for that?.

Anyways, I'm getting the camera tomorrowLast suggestions to sway me?Or give me more knowledge?.

Thanks!.

If you can find a new one, new is always nice. The comfort of warranty is a nice thing although I can tell you that I have never had a problem with my 20D, 40D or 5D. I looked at your earlier thread about your friend's camera, it was more than I would have paid for it. To be honest, I sold my 20D to a friend for about $400 (Canadian eh!) and included a 2GB memory card but no lenses. I looked at the B&H website and they have new 30D units for $799 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...REG/Canon_1234B004_EOS_30D_Digital_Camera.htmlThe only real difference with the 30D was a larger display (2.5 inches?? and they included spot metering which was not on the 20D) They also have used ones for about $100 less..

I think that a 20D or 30D is the way to go. I know your friend upgraded to a 5D and feels that "L" glass is the way to go...I like L glass but it isn't a necessity to start with. Eventually you wil get there. In the mean time there are great non-L pieces, especially in the EF-S line. the 10-22 is supposed to be an awesome ultra wide for the crop bodies and many speak very highly of the 17-55 2.8 IS. If the body you get (new or used) doesn't have a lense, I also hear the new 18-55 IS is supposed to be quite good and reasonably priced (better than the old 18-55 kit lens).

Besides, when you look on eBay, you will find that most Canon lenses do retain their value well (except for kit lenses). If you do look to buy anything from eBay, make sure the seller has lots of history and double check the prices with a well known retailer...sometimes it is just easier to spend $100 more on a lense from a retail store than save $100 to get it from eBay...at least you know where you can go if you have any problems..

When it does come time to purchase new lenses, I do recommend lenses with a 2.8 or larger aperature, the autofocus on the 20D/30D/40D is that much better with faster glass (high precision centre point)..

Do yourself a favor, purchase a camera (new or used), read through the manual (keep it handy though) then go and take pictures of everything and anything. Enjoy the purchase and don't worry about the latest cameras, they have a few more bells and whistles but they still take pictures much the same way. I didn't feel there was a HUGE image quality difference in my 40D from my 20D and besides, great photographers (I am just an amature) can make almost any camera look the greatest..

Good luck, let us know how it turns out for you!..

Comment #15

Think about getting a used 30D or Nikon equiv. I shoot now shoot mkIII but my wife who is just as talented loves her 40D ... she and I both upgraded from 20D's ... Bomb proof except for dust .... Two recommendations.

1. Don't get the cheapest get the one that will fill your needs WELL. You will be happier and the $ difference really isn't worth getting something lacking and wanting to upgrade quickly. It will cost you more in the long run..

2. Try your darnedest not to get to many EF-S/crop only lens, look for a used dealer that you can develop a rapport with. Thats how I started.Richard Herbert, Monterey CAStandout from conformity, 'Only a dead fish swims with the current.'..

Comment #16

Max W wrote:.

An used Canon 20D, or 40D... or Nikon D40 or D40x?.

If it is between those, which would you guys recommend?.

In a long run, that would be irrelevant. What you really need to choose is wheter you like more Canon or Nikon's lenses and functionality. So first choose a brand. The camera will make you buy lenses, then you will upgrade the camera, etc. Changing brands once you have 5-6 good lenses is expensive..

I do not know about Nikon much, I have Canon equipment. Both brands are very good. If you start with Canon, do not make the mistake to buy the 40D and put a cheap lens on it. By the time you will have the money to upgrade your lens, your 40D will be obsolete and will lose much of it's value. With your budget, I would get a new XTi, or XT, or a used 30D, and spend the remaining $1,000 on lens(es)..

By the way, IMHO, the "kit" 40D lens EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS is a poor choice of a lens, if it is the only one. Not because it is bad but because it's range does not cover what is considered a standard zoom range...

Comment #17

The E-510 with the 2 lens kit sells for about $650. I don't own it yet, but plan to. If you read the postings on the Olympus forum, the lenses are considered excellent and razor sharp..

As far a sporting shots are concerned, you might find another camera with faster autofocus and less shutter lag. But from the postings I've read, many 510 owners are satisfied using it with action shots..

Talk with some of your college instructors about selecting a camera. Maybe you don't need to spend $1500 on a camera/lens kit...

Comment #18

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.

I have not purchased a camera yet (the store was closed)and won't be for another couple of days since I'm busy.

I will read all the comments if anybody has any other suggestions.

Thanks! It really helps!..

Comment #19

But all te other stuff that completes your equipmentextra memory cards, a good computer with lots of hard drive space and lots of RAM, you'll need a good software program to edit your images, you'll need a photo quality printerare you going to print larger that 8X10 format prints?.

You'll find all of that information elsewhere on this website but consider your budget to include all of those other things besides the camera purchase decision. If you spend your entire budget on a camera and a lense, you're going to want to get all the othe extra stuff too..

If you take the advice of starting on one brand, buying extra lenses and stuff for that brand, then you'll probably want to stay with that brand as your photographic skills increase and require more complex equipmentfor the most part, there is upwardly compatible equipment if you stay with one brand. For example, if you started with a Sony A100 camera, you can take advantage of all the Konica-Minolta Maxxum a-mount lenses already out there (and save a lot of money). Then when your skill requires an upgrade, you can move onto the A700 and future Sony offerings. The stuff you bought for your A100 wiill be usable for the A700 and so on.Matt..

Comment #20

So I've been browsing some stores around here. They don't really have a used 20D... an used 30D is available but it is about $850. 40D is about $130020D body brand new is about $800..

Is online a better idea?..

Comment #21

Are you sold on canon?.

Just for the hell of it, look into Pentax offerings and watch out for the new lineup, due to be released in a couple of weeks. They're much better options for a student on a budget than canon, where you'll get something stuck together with duct tape unless you skip entry level...

Comment #22

Max W wrote:.

So I've been browsing some stores around here. They don't reallyhave a used 20D... an used 30D is available but it is about $850.40D is about $130020D body brand new is about $800..

Is online a better idea?.

B&H had New 30Ds for around $800 if you are going Canon that is the best deal..

D20 doesn't even have spot metering..Ken - Happy A700 Ownerhttp://www.cascadephotoworks.com..

Comment #23

Hey max w,.

Please let me know what you decide to get. I am pretty much in the same boat as you are. I can't decide between nikon d200 or canon 30 d...

Comment #24

Pentaxiantrooper wrote:.

Are you sold on canon?.

Just for the hell of it, look into Pentax offerings and watch out forthe new lineup, due to be released in a couple of weeks. They're muchbetter options for a student on a budget than canon, where you'll getsomething stuck together with duct tape unless you skip entry level..

Canon has always stripped down their entry cameras and now Nikon is doing it as well. I like what Sony is doing but the lens costs may hurt you. Pentax has always made a serious enough entry level camera and their mid level one is truly serious. Lenses, especially primes are as good as it gets and at low prices to boot..

The word on the Samsung GX20 looks great. 14MP and a clean ISO 6400. The K20D should be at least as nice a camera. Either one is a Pentax K mount which means more choices for bodies in the future...

Comment #25

Jimmy197 wrote:.

Hey max w,.

Please let me know what you decide to get. I am pretty much in thesame boat as you are. I can't decide between nikon d200 or canon 30 d..

If you can afford a D200 you should also be looking at the Sony A700.Being a couple years newer it has better dynamic range and and lower noise..

Though that is not saying the D200 is a bad camera.Ken - Happy A700 Ownerhttp://www.cascadephotoworks.com..

Comment #26

Max W wrote:.

40D is about $1300.

$1,149 (body only), no tax, free shipping, on amazon.com..

Comment #27

When looking for your first DSLR, thats what you should be looking at, not just the camera. All the cameras mentioned are capable of great images. If you spend too much for the camera you wont have money left for decent lenses within your budget that will allow you to do what you want. Someone else mentioned the D80 with the 18-200 VR lens. I second that suggestion because that is what I have and Im very happy with that combination. Thats a $700 lens on an $800 body.

3fps is all youll get with either one of these however, but thats fine with me, it was never a selling point. Used D40s can be had for less than $400 with a 18-55 lens. The D40x is not worth the money imho, for $200 more the D80 is twice the camera. Remember, the lenses will always be up to date when or if you decide to upgrade later to the newest model camera body.D80, D40, 18-200 VR, 70-300 VR, Sigma 10-20, SB800..

Comment #28

Max W wrote:.

Hi. I'm a college student needing a SLR for class/major. I'minterested in scenery pictures and action sport shots. It would be anice plus if the camera can withstand extreme temperatures (like snowfields.. mountains.. etc).

I've played w/ my dad's old cheap digital SLR but it's now time forme to get my own.

My budget is around $1500 to start with, but saving money is alwaysgreat. Though I will want to get more lenses later..

I want an intermediate camera. For my classes/major, getting abeginner camera now only means getting an intermediate camera inabout a year, which is just not worth it..

I've heard good things about the Nikon D40x (and one salesman triedreally hard to sell me this) but I am interested in the Canon 40D(Canon EOS 40D, correct?) because it seems to be a very popularcamera, and that it is highly rated..

But I don't know if I 40D is the right one for me (it is kindaexpensive for a college student)..

I know that I want a camera with a variety of options..Need high ISO.. very long shutter speed.. more than 3 fps at least..and just suitable for all sorts of pictures..

So I need help! What camera would you suggest me to get? Why?And what lenses would I need?.

Also, and I don't know how to deal with this... should I get thecamera from local electronic stores (hard to find a camera storearound my town) or find a store online? (and which stores online?).

This is a very broad question and I apologize, but I'm simplyclueless and need help.Thanks in advance!.

My usual advice for a beginner is to spend as little as possible, buy the best value entry level camera from any of the major brands, Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Pentax, and Sony. The concept is a beginner doesn't know what they need or want. The only way to learn is through experience. The way to get experience is buy an entry level body and one lens. Learn it well. When it doesn't suit you understand why and move up or on to another brand..

If your major and your career require more I suggest you talk to instructors and other students in the same field and ask their opinions. Since you have higher than most beginner requirements and a limited budget I'd suggest looking at good quality second hand gear and spend more on lenses than the body..

Some will try to convince you the system they bought into is the best due to personal reasons. Talk to your upper classmates in the same major. Ask them for advice and to work with them and handle their gear before deciding. First hand experience counts..

Capable gear counts for a lot, your imagination and eye count for more...

Comment #29

Mrxdimension wrote:.

Max W wrote:.

Also, and I don't know how to deal with this... should I get thecamera from local electronic stores (hard to find a camera storearound my town) or find a store online? (and which stores online?).

If you're in the US look at B&H photo and KEH if you decide to purchase second hand gear online. They're probably not as cheap as some other places but they are professional, have good service, and stand by their word...

Comment #30

That's the conclusion I've come to and I will buy the E-510 soon. Oly is focused on the enthusiast market and if you want to buy lenses down the road they are far more reasonable than it's competitors...

Comment #31

Not to sound like a fanboy, but the E-510 2 lens kit is a superb value for the money. I started out with the E-500 kit and recently upgraded to the E-510 body. E-510's in-body image stabilization system was the primary reason for upgrading; wasted many what could have been good images from the E-500 due to unsteady hands  Also, the live view on the LCD is a nice feature to have too..

With the $1500 for a starter package, you can get:.

Oly E-510 with 14-42mm and 40-150mm lenses ($650)Oly Zuiko 35mm macro lense ($200)Canon PIXMA Pro9000 for prints up to 13x19 ($400)Huey Pro monitor calibrator ($100)and a good bag, filters, memory card, etc. with the rest..

You can always upgrade to the E-3 down the road and use the existing lenses, or sell the kit and get a quality Canon or Nikon (or whatever) when you require an upgrade..

As the popular saying goes, it's not the camera that takes great pictures, but the person behind the lens...

Comment #32

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