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Hi, I'm looking in to replacing my 35mm for a trip we're taking this winter to Walt Disney World. My front room is covered in blown up shots I have taken of my girls on past trips. From what I'm reading none of the 18x zoom point and shoot digitals are good for over a 5x7 size. Is there a recommended camera that's not an SLR, I don't have the training to use one? Any help would be great-Thanks!..

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JDanker wrote:.

From what I'm readingnone of the 18x zoom point and shoot digitals are good for over a 5x7size..

Where are you reading this? Anyone who says this is either a snob, exaggerating, cropping too much, or talking about high ISO only. At low ISOs, almost all of today's cameras are good enough for 8x10 if not larger. It's only at ISO 400-800 or above that the results mean you should stick to small prints. For example, Imaging-Resource says this about the Oly 560UZ:.

"The Olympus SP-560 UZ produced crisp prints at 11x14 inches, and somewhat softer but still acceptable ones at 13x19. ISO 200 shots started to soften at 11x14 inches, and chroma noise starts to appear in the shadows. ISO 400 images are better at 8x10.".

I've printed the same 8.5x11" shot from a 4MP Casio, a 7 MP Panasonic, a Canon 30D, and a Fuji E900. At that size it's very difficult to tell them apart. Full size images are available on this and other sites. Download them and print them and judge for yourself..

Is there a recommended camera that's not an SLR, I don't havethe training to use one?.

There are well over a dozen herehttp://www.dpreview.com/reviews/default.asp?view=rating(not all with 18X zoom of course.).

Any help would be great-Thanks!.

You'll need to be more specific with your needs..

Erik..

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I agree with Erik, there are many P&S cameras that will give 8x10 prints for vacation shots. If anything, too darn many to sort through! Here is a link to another thread for ideas -.

Http://forums.dpreview.com/...ms/readflat.asp?forum=1002&message=23440732.

Kelly Cook..

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The information I got regarding pictures over 5x7 was from the review on this site on the Fujifilm FinePix S8000fd, it's on page 5 of the review under of the heading of specific image quality issues. So, now I'm just more confused- I'll the input I've received from this forum is the exact opposite of what the review reads, unless I'm reading it wrong. Also Mr. Mangnuson, this is a section for beginners questions, so if you're not willing to come down to my level and answer my novice questions without feeling the need to belittle them, please don't help. I am fully aware of the reviews on all the excellent cameras here, however based on the reviews I had read, I was looking for tips specifically related to larger image quality...

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JDanker wrote:.

Hi, I'm looking in to replacing my 35mm for a trip we're taking thiswinter to Walt Disney World. My front room is covered in blown upshots I have taken of my girls on past trips. From what I'm readingnone of the 18x zoom point and shoot digitals are good for over a 5x7size. Is there a recommended camera that's not an SLR, I don't havethe training to use one? Any help would be great-Thanks!.

Hi JD. I've just read a couple of replies above and your response to them. Don't be too quick to take a shot at people offering advice, even if it doesn't quite answer your question. There's some reasonable information in there already, including the advice to steer clear of ISOs above 200 if you want to limit noise. Even ISO 200 isn't so good for noise with some cameras, depending on the nature of the subject. Even lower noise can be a gotcha with some cameras as they achieve niose reduction by killing image detail.



You've based your statement on 18X P&S's not being good for anything over 5x7" prints on a single review of a single camera. I assume you've read more reviews, but you haven't said..

I'm not going to suggest a particular model, but here are some suggestions that may help..

Follow suggested link and see what it says, which yoiu may already have done..

Read more reviews..

Download sample full size images and print them to see how they look to you. I realise it's easier and cheaper if you get an answer without having to go through that exercise, but you may be surprised how much prints hide noise that's readily apparent at 100% on the screen. Ony you can judge how much noise is acceptable in an image..

For my part, I'm a big fan of using DSLRs for decent sized prints as they have such a noise advantage, not to mention being able to achieve shallow DOF more readily when I want it..

Cheers from John from Adelaide, South AustraliaJohn Harvey Photography http://johnharvey.com.auCanon 40D, Canon 20D & Fuji F10..

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Hi.

I would suggest you not read too much into the reviews when they talk about how big you can go for a particular camera - they're being pretty demanding of their photo quaility to say that! Anything over about 3 megapixels will be fine for 8x10 - I have a Canon A570 and I've done some lovely 8x10 prints from it..

I would suggest that you keep the ISO as low as possible on whatever you choose - compact digitals are renowned for image noise when the ISO is turned up..

Other than that, I would suggest you buy whatever camera you are comfortable with, then go out and make some pictures!.

P.S. I wouldn't class that chap's comments as 'belittling'...

JDanker wrote:.

The information I got regarding pictures over 5x7 was from the reviewon this site on the Fujifilm FinePix S8000fd, it's on page 5 of thereview under of the heading of specific image quality issues. So,now I'm just more confused- I'll the input I've received from thisforum is the exact opposite of what the review reads, unless I'mreading it wrong. Also Mr. Mangnuson, this is a section forbeginners questions, so if you're not willing to come down to mylevel and answer my novice questions without feeling the need tobelittle them, please don't help. I am fully aware of the reviews onall the excellent cameras here, however based on the reviews I hadread, I was looking for tips specifically related to larger imagequality...

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John down under wrote:.

Hi JD. I've just read a couple of replies above and your response tothem. Don't be too quick to take a shot at people offering advice,even if it doesn't quite answer your question..

You've based your statement on 18X P&S's not being good for anythingover 5x7" prints on a single review of a single camera. I assumeyou've read more reviews, but you haven't said..

I have read a couple of the reviews on this site and any of the 18x zooms I've read, including the fujifilm, panasonic and the olympus, say that they are great for up to a 5x7 but not for larger photos. And, my intention is certainly not to take "shots" at anyone, quite the opposite, but I feel that as a novice if I'm asking a question to the best of my ability, based on what I know and what I want to find out, it's not necessary to be short with me in answering. I know very little about digital camers, I have a 2 mega pixel that we bought several years ago that takes just horrid pictures and beyond that I have no experience with them. I do know that I would like to take good quality photos, be able to enlarge them for framing and that I lean towards the greater zoom capabilites and not so much the slim or light cameras. I am quite happy with my Minolta 35mm, but for our trip I also want to be able to see the pictures as I shoot them, to make sure that I am getting that image that I want. A new camera is a large expenditure for me and I don't want to purchase an item and then not have it be able to give me the end results that I want. I appreciate the information that you gave me and I will look into printing some of the test pictures available...

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JDanker wrote:.

The information I got regarding pictures over 5x7 was from the reviewon this site on the Fujifilm FinePix S8000fd, it's on page 5 of thereview under of the heading of specific image quality issues..

I think you are reading a bit too much into what they are saying. Certainly if you never print more than 5x7 you will not be disappointed, but that does not mean you will always be disappointed if you print larger. Imaging-Resource says this:.

"The Fujifilm S8000fd produced reasonably sharp 11 x 14 inch prints at ISO 64. The image softens at ISO 100, and worse at ISO 200, making for better 8x10-inch prints at that setting. ISO 400 shots are okay at 8x10, but noise starts to appear again, and both oversaturated color and detail loss start to create an almost posterized look in bright colors. ISO 800 shots are just okay at 5x7, but usable at 4x6.".

This does not contradict what dpreview says, just goes into more detail. The other question is what standard they are using for judging print quality. How close to you have to be to that print to see issues? How noticeable are these issues? That's why I suggested downloading some images and printing/them or having them printed for yourself to calibrate your opinion of an acceptable print vs. theirs..

Also Mr. Mangnuson, this is a section forbeginners questions, so if you're not willing to come down to mylevel and answer my novice questions without feeling the need tobelittle them.

I apologize if my manner was too brusque. It wasn't your opinion I was denigrating, it was dpreview's for not being specific enough as to what the limitations of that camera actually mean to real world printing..

I was looking for tips specifically related to larger imagequality..

Is that your only criteria? Are there issues of price, size, features? The upcoming DP1 will probably produce the best large prints - if you are willing to shoot/process raw. The Canon G9 would probably be next. With few exceptions, the larger the sensor, the better the quality, so you should concentrate on those cameras with 1/1.8" or larger sensors like the Canon G9 or Fuji F50d or IS-1, Leica D-LUX 3, or Sony DSC-S800..

Erik..

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Erik Magnuson wrote:.

I think you are reading a bit too much into what they are saying.Certainly if you never print more than 5x7 you will not bedisappointed, but that does not mean you will always be disappointedif you print larger..

Thank you for clarifying that. Since I've never used any of these cameras myself I have nothing else to go by, other than the reviews that I have read-and sometimes those can be a bit confusing..

I apologize if my manner was too brusque. It wasn't your opinion Iwas denigrating, it was dpreview's for not being specific enough asto what the limitations of that camera actually mean to real worldprinting..

I too apologize if I was too sensitive to your initial response..

Is that your only criteria? Are there issues of price, size,features? The upcoming DP1 will probably produce the best largeprints - if you are willing to shoot/process raw. The Canon G9would probably be next. With few exceptions, the larger the sensor,the better the quality, so you should concentrate on those cameraswith 1/1.8" or larger sensors like the Canon G9 or Fuji F50d or IS-1,Leica D-LUX 3, or Sony DSC-S800..

My biggest issues are ease of use without too difficult of features and good picture quality. As for size and price I like the greater zoom capabilities, so I lean more toward the larger cameras, and the prices seemed to be pretty similar in the models of 18x zoom I was looking at. I do however wish to stay under $400. I will be sure to look for the larger sensors as well, thank you for that tip...

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Cheers from John from Adelaide, South AustraliaJohn Harvey Photography http://johnharvey.com.auCanon 40D, Canon 20D & Fuji F10..

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