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Which camera and lens to start with?
I'm in tight budget and wanna get into the DSLR stuff, but wanted the best possible startup camera and lens with the best possible image quality (i don't really care about zoom lens). I am currently thinking of one these setups:.

Olympus E-410 with 14-42mm lens kit.

Pentax K100D Super with the 50mm f/1.4 lens.

Canon XT with 50mm f/1.8 (the cheap one).

Nikon 40D with 50mm f/1.8.

Olympus E-510 with 14-42mm lens kit.

I'm trying to go cheap as possible on the lens but don't wanna sacrifice quality at the same time that's why I didn't include the Canon and Nikon's lens kit..

Thanks...

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I can't speak for many of the other cameras, but make sure you check out the lens compatibility for the D40. That camera only supports AF with AFS or AFI lenses. If you plan on using old Nikon lenses, a D80 or used D50 might be a better bet..

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Comment #1

Why not include the Pentax K10? It's being discounted now in anticipation of the K20. Still alot of great used lenses out there...

Comment #2

Buying a body and a telephoto lens limits what you can photograph and makes photogrphy frustrating..

Get some sort of cheap kit lens, and then if you have a spare $100, buy a 50mm lens, too..

As someone noted, double check that the Nikon 50mm works on the D40. By "check" I mean aks someone you trust, and if you have doubts at a camera store, have them install the lens and show you it works I believe it does not work, but I'm no longer a Nikon expert..

Other than that, brand does not matter. They are all good cameras..

That said, a big rear screen is better than a small rear screen, but again, budget comes into play. I use an XT..

BAK..

Comment #3

Stan Bembenek wrote:.

Why not include the Pentax K10? It's being discounted now inanticipation of the K20. Still alot of great used lenses out there..

I can afford the K10 minus good lens. This wouldn't give me the best possible image quality though. I'm thinking of getting a better lens than spending too much on a camera body since I'm still a noob on dslr photography...

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BAK wrote:.

Buying a body and a telephoto lens limits what you can photograph andmakes photogrphy frustrating..

That's why I'm looking into prime lenses..

Get some sort of cheap kit lens, and then if you have a spare $100,buy a 50mm lens, too..

Besides the Olympus kit lens, I think I'll pass on the Canon/Nikon kit lenses. I'd rather spend more on the prime lenses..

As someone noted, double check that the Nikon 50mm works on the D40.By "check" I mean aks someone you trust, and if you have doubts at acamera store, have them install the lens and show you it works Ibelieve it does not work, but I'm no longer a Nikon expert..

I read somewhere that they work but with manual focus..

Other than that, brand does not matter. They are all good cameras..

Well, coming from a P&S, I think non of them would disappoint me (hopefully)..

That said, a big rear screen is better than a small rear screen, butagain, budget comes into play. I use an XT..

Do you have a 50mm f/1.8 with your XT?.

BAK..

Comment #5

When I bought my XT a couple years ago, I opted to get the 50mm f/1.8 lens in place of the kit lens to use as a "learner." Several months later, I bought a good walkaround lens and a good telephoto. However, I kept my "thrifty 50" to use in low light. Thus, I ended up with 3 good lenses..

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Comment #6

You say you dont really care about zooms but money is a concern, so watch out with the D40 it will only auto focus with AFS (AF motor in the lens) and most AFS prime lenses are rather expensive.

I do not know much about the Oly or Pentax, the Canon has the 28, 50 and 85 1.8 both are affordable (down right cheap for there image quality and speed).

If you like something about Nikon (flash system comes to mind) I think the D80 would be the better bet, it will work with all the more affordable fast primes..

20mm 2.8 ($300ish used)50mm 1.8 ($100 new)85mm 1.8 ($300 used not to bad new either)185mm 2.8 ($400 used, they are all over Ebay and a great lens).

RegardsRay.

Spade357 wrote:.

I'm in tight budget and wanna get into the DSLR stuff, but wanted thebest possible startup camera and lens with the best possible imagequality (i don't really care about zoom lens). I am currentlythinking of one these setups:.

Olympus E-410 with 14-42mm lens kit.

Pentax K100D Super with the 50mm f/1.4 lens.

Canon XT with 50mm f/1.8 (the cheap one).

Nikon 40D with 50mm f/1.8.

Olympus E-510 with 14-42mm lens kit.

I'm trying to go cheap as possible on the lens but don't wannasacrifice quality at the same time that's why I didn't include theCanon and Nikon's lens kit..

Thanks..

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Comment #7

I have the Canon 50mm f/1.8, it's OK but can't compare with the macro lens. Maybe you can start with either the XTi or 40D body, and get the EF-S 60mm macro first..

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Spade357 wrote:.

BAK wrote:.

Buying a body and a telephoto lens limits what you can photograph andmakes photogrphy frustrating..

That's why I'm looking into prime lenses..

The 50 mm may be 'prine' (in other words fixed focal length), but on the bodies you are looking at it would be a short telephoto prime. 50 mm on the XT is equivalent to 80 mm on a 35 mm film camera..

A focal length of 35 mm would be closer to a normal lens on the XT and Nikon D40..

Although not of great build quality, the Canon 18-55 mm kit lens is OK optically, and a bargin at the $80 it adds to the body only price..

Brian A...

Comment #9

The Nikon 18-55 kit lens is very good. Start with it and a D40/D40x/D80 depending on your budget. Add a 55-200VR and a flash next...

Comment #10

Spade357 wrote:.

I'm in tight budget and wanna get into the DSLR stuff, but wanted thebest possible startup camera and lens with the best possible imagequality (i don't really care about zoom lens). I am currentlythinking of one these setups:.

Olympus E-410 with 14-42mm lens kit.

Pentax K100D Super with the 50mm f/1.4 lens.

Canon XT with 50mm f/1.8 (the cheap one).

Nikon 40D with 50mm f/1.8.

Olympus E-510 with 14-42mm lens kit.

I'm trying to go cheap as possible on the lens but don't wannasacrifice quality at the same time that's why I didn't include theCanon and Nikon's lens kit..

Thanks..

Of the options you've listed above, "the best possible startup camera and lens" combination would be either of the two Olympus packages. The 50mm would not auto focus on the D40 but it would auto focus on a d50 if you wanted to consider used/refurb. I think the Olympus option would be the easiest place to start learning photography and dslr - a versatile lens that you would get great results from right from the start...

Comment #11

The key point here is which one "to start with". The Olympus E-510 kit is probably the best on your shortlist, but "to start with" implies the intention of expanding/upgrading later, and from that point of view Canon is the way to go, IMHO...

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BAK wrote:.

Buying a body and a telephoto lens limits what you can photograph andmakes photogrphy frustrating..

I suppose any one focal length can be limiting, but a fast, short telephoto has many applications. I find it a great choice for any kind of people gathering as you can get fairly tight candids without being too intrusive (and the fast speed lets you shoot without flash in most environments). It's also great for posed portraiture, isolating a smaller portion of a landscape, photographing objects in a museum (again, fast speed is great where flash is prohibited), giving a little more working distance for macro shots (with tubes or close-up filter), and so on. If I had to choose one focal length for an APS-C DSLR, I would go with a 35mm, but I would eventually want a 50mm, too, and it is much cheaper to start with (e.g., Canon's 50mm F/1.8 is about $70 while the 35mm F/2 is about $230)..

Despite the ability to change focal lengths, kit zooms can also be frustrating and limiting due to their slow apertures and performance compromises at the extremes. I got much use out of a compact 80mm F/1.8 on a film camera, but the kit zoom is a frustrating F/5.6 at the comparable 50mm setting (and some exhibit noticeable pincushion distortion here) and the "normal" focal length of 35mm is still a slow F/4.5. And even if I were a fan of wide-angle shooting, the barrel distortion and vignetting of many kit zooms might have me avoiding those focal lengths...

Comment #13

Don't you think tho that the limited use lens and DOF issues would be more challenging for a beginner than the "slow apertures and performance compromises at the extremes". I started with a nikon d50 18-70 and 85 1.8. I love the prime and my next lens will be a 35 f2 but I just remember when I started off I had enough problems just learning exposure basics and the camera. It was really nice to have a zoom that I could use right away and get a variety of pictures...

Comment #14

Hi,.

If you start with the Olympus I think you'll find the quality of their "standard" lenses is good enough to put you off up-grading for a long time. You've got to be very dedicated to up-grade to a "pro" or "top pro" lens (and rich)..

A better way of spending your cash after getting the one or two lens kit would be either of Olympus' macro lenses..

Regards, David..

Comment #15

While a short telephoto may be more limiting than a normal focal length, there is still great scope for picture-making opportunities, and it's not like the original poster intends a 50mm to be his last lens purchase. Also, mastering one focal length, really exhausting all it's possibilities because you have no other lens to choose, can be a great learning tool all it's own. Likewise, having a lens like a 50mm F/1.8 with it's greater possibilities in being selective with depth of field helps a person explore that aspect of photography..

I may be biased against zooms, or at least the idea that zoom = variety, simply because I didn't grow up with them (I think my first zoom was on the Digilux 1). I'm still very comfortable taking my twin-lens reflex with fixed, normal lens on any kind of trip (or a 35mm body with a 50mm f/1.7), knowing I can capture the event and have great images to enjoy for however many years remain to me. I also have the incredible output that my grandfather produced with fixed lens, 127 format cameras as well as my father's fixed-lens 35mm shots. There's certainly nothing limited about the scope and variety of images they were able to produce. Sure, I'll want something different for specialized subjects like the hydroplane races, but the kit zoom doesn't help much there, either...

Comment #16

Jrtrent wrote:.

BAK wrote:...And even if I were a fan of wide-angle shooting, thebarrel distortion and vignetting of many kit zooms might have meavoiding those focal lengths..

Distortion and vignetting are easily corrected with software. Some packages will even read the EXIF data and correct automatically...

Comment #17

Pentax K10D. Just saw it is down to $519 at some places after rebate. Amazing...

Comment #18

David Hughes wrote:.

A better way of spending your cash after getting the one or two lens.

Kit would be either of Olympus' macro lenses..

Surely one of the weak spots in the Olympus lens line up is the short focal lengths of it's macro lenses. The 50 mm doing only 0.52x and the 35 mm 1x. While the 2x crop factor helps with print enlargement factor, it does absolutely nothing to increase minimum working distances..

Brian A...

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