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I am new to the forum and very new to photography. Looking at the new cameras, some have live view, can someone please explain to me what live view is?Thanks...

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As I understand it, Live view is that you can look at the lcd screen whilst making a photo. Presumably, you will get the information normally available in the viewfinder on your lcd as well..

Cameras without live view use the lcd to playback only..

Comment #1

My camera does not have Live view (it is a Sony A700). Live view equipped cameras allow the photographer to see the image before takng the photograph. You are able to adjust your aperture settings to make the image lighter or darker and you can compose the imagecropping your picture of all extraneous parts..

My point & shoot camera has live view capability. It is very useful. My Sony A700 does not have live view so I have to use the viewfinder to see my subject. I have not found the lack of live view capability to hinder my taking pictures. I understand that without live view, the battery is supposed to last longer..

Having live view is also convenient. In some cameras you can swivel the LCD downward so you can raise your camera above the crowd and still be able to see what you are taking.Matt..

Comment #2

Barnieg wrote:.

Hi everyone,I am new to the forum and very new to photography. Looking at the newcameras, some have live view, can someone please explain to me whatlive view is?.

Live View (or LV) is only on dSLRs. Non-dSLRs have always been able to display what the sensor sees in real time. But cameras with a mirror can't easily do this...the mirror and the shutter (normally closed) are in the way..

OK...the problem is that over 90% of the current photographers started out with a non-mirror-box camera (incorrectly called a p&s). Small, cheap p&s cameras are nothing to brag about, even with their LCDs that show exactly what the camera will capture. But several years ago, there was a thriving business in high-end p&s cameras. They were typically called "prosumers" or "bridge" cameras. They looked like a dSLR. They worked like a dSLR.

But they didn't have a mirror, so the dSLR crowd spurned them...would not let them in their clique..

As time went on, the camera manufacturers stopped producing the "prosumer" cameras. People griped. Then they brought out cheap, entry-level dSLR offerings. Most of the people who wanted a better "prosumer" bought a d40 (or equivalent), as it was the same price as the "prosumers" had been. Soon, all the camera brands had a cheap body. But people continued to gripe.

They loved LCDs that flipped and twisted! They hated having to examine the LCD after each pic to ensure that the exposure was correct (this is called "chimping", because it looks like a monkey checking to see if the flea is dead). With real-time sensor data, the high-end "prosumers" were able to offer LIVE HISTOGRAMS!!! This was the most important improvement in digital cameras since they were invented..

The dSLR marketing departments of Japan, Inc. heard the gripes. They "invented" Live View to satisfy their customers. Heck, some of them even have LIVE HISTOGRAM implemented. But not all..

SO, LV is just providing one of the best features of high-end p&s cameras on a dSLR. Most of the implementations are kinda half-baked so far. The problem is the mirror! They can't figure out HOW to make the mirror be in two positions at the same time. When it's down (the normal position) you can see through the optical view finder (OVF). When it's up, you can see the image on the LCD. But you can't auto-focus (AF) with the mirror up, so most implementations show you a view on the LCD...until you press the shutter button...then all #ell breaks loose (the shutter closes, the mirror flips down, the camera does AF, the mirror flops up, the shutter opens and closes).



The solution that is ripe on the vine is what is termed an "EVIL" camera. No, it's not as bad as it sounds (although die-hard dSLR lovers don't believe this). It is just a high-end p&s (from 4 years ago), but with a big sensor and removable lenses (like a dSLR). It's a TRUE "bridge" camera...one that marries the BEST features of cameras with mirrors and cameras w/o mirrors. But that is a different topic for another day..

BTW, "EVIL" stands for "Electronic Viewfinder - Interchangeable Lens"... .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #3

Chuxter wrote:.

Barnieg wrote:.

Hi everyone,I am new to the forum and very new to photography. Looking at the newcameras, some have live view, can someone please explain to me whatlive view is?.

Live View (or LV) is only on dSLRs. Non-dSLRs have always been ableto display what the sensor sees in real time. But cameras with amirror can't easily do this...the mirror and the shutter (normallyclosed) are in the way..

OK...the problem is that over 90% of the current photographersstarted out with a non-mirror-box camera (incorrectly called a p&s).Small, cheap p&s cameras are nothing to brag about, even with theirLCDs that show exactly what the camera will capture. But severalyears ago, there was a thriving business in high-end p&s cameras.They were typically called "prosumers" or "bridge" cameras. Theylooked like a dSLR. They worked like a dSLR. Heck...many even soundedlike a dSLR (they had optional electronic flip-flop sounds). But theydidn't have a mirror, so the dSLR crowd spurned them...would not letthem in their clique..

As time went on, the camera manufacturers stopped producing the"prosumer" cameras. People griped. Then they brought out cheap,entry-level dSLR offerings. Most of the people who wanted a better"prosumer" bought a d40 (or equivalent), as it was the same price asthe "prosumers" had been. Soon, all the camera brands had a cheapbody. But people continued to gripe.

They loved LCDs that flipped and twisted!They hated having to examine the LCD after each pic to ensure thatthe exposure was correct (this is called "chimping", because it lookslike a monkey checking to see if the flea is dead). With real-timesensor data, the high-end "prosumers" were able to offer LIVEHISTOGRAMS!!! This was the most important improvement in digitalcameras since they were invented..

The dSLR marketing departments of Japan, Inc. heard the gripes. They"invented" Live View to satisfy their customers. Heck, some of themeven have LIVE HISTOGRAM implemented. But not all..

Let's make sure to give proper credit to the inventors and first implementation of "LiveView." (Olympus, Inc.).

SO, LV is just providing one of the best features of high-end p&scameras on a dSLR. Most of the implementations are kinda half-bakedso far. The problem is the mirror! They can't figure out HOW to makethe mirror be in two positions at the same time. When it's down (thenormal position) you can see through the optical view finder (OVF).When it's up, you can see the image on the LCD. But you can'tauto-focus (AF) with the mirror up, so most implementations show youa view on the LCD...until you press the shutter button...then all#ell breaks loose (the shutter closes, the mirror flips down, thecamera does AF, the mirror flops up, the shutter opens and closes). Afew also have the kinda AF that is used on p&s cameras (for use inthe LV mode), but it's S L O W....

Don't forget the E-330 with LiveView (Mode A) - the first and best (fastest) implementation of LiveView to date..

The solution that is ripe on the vine is what is termed an "EVIL"camera. No, it's not as bad as it sounds (although die-hard dSLRlovers don't believe this). It is just a high-end p&s (from 4 yearsago), but with a big sensor and removable lenses (like a dSLR). It'sa TRUE "bridge" camera...one that marries the BEST features ofcameras with mirrors and cameras w/o mirrors. But that is a differenttopic for another day..

BTW, "EVIL" stands for "Electronic Viewfinder - InterchangeableLens"... .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/.

Tim'Be the change you wish to see in the world.' -Mahatma Gandhihttp://www.flickr.com/photos/timskis6/..

Comment #4

Chuxter wrote:.

But severalyears ago, there was a thriving business in high-end p&s cameras.They were typically called "prosumers" or "bridge" cameras. Theylooked like a dSLR. They worked like a dSLR. Heck...many even soundedlike a dSLR (they had optional electronic flip-flop sounds). But theydidn't have a mirror, so the dSLR crowd spurned them...would not letthem in their clique..

These cameras also didn't have other things - like interchangeable lenses, optical viewfinders, and in many cases, flash shoes for external TTL-metered flash units. Also, just about all of the "prosumer" cameras except for the $1,000 Sony R1 had smaller sensors (== more noise) than DSLRs..

I suspect that these other missing features rather than the missing mirror are why so many photographers preferred to stick with DSLRs. If you could magically remove the mirror and not compromise viewfinder resolution, viewfinder lag, viewfinder performance in bright light, interchangeable lenses, etc., I doubt that anyone would pass over the camera "because there isn't a mirror inside"...

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Tom_N wrote:.

Chuxter wrote:.

But severalyears ago, there was a thriving business in high-end p&s cameras.They were typically called "prosumers" or "bridge" cameras. Theylooked like a dSLR. They worked like a dSLR. Heck...many even soundedlike a dSLR (they had optional electronic flip-flop sounds). But theydidn't have a mirror, so the dSLR crowd spurned them...would not letthem in their clique..

These cameras also didn't have other things - like interchangeablelenses, optical viewfinders, and in many cases, flash shoes forexternal TTL-metered flash units. Also, just about all of the"prosumer" cameras except for the $1,000 Sony R1 had smaller sensors(== more noise) than DSLRs..

Exactly. But any "prosumer" camera that didn't have a flash shoe or RAW format, wasn't really a "prosumer"...more like a poseur..

I suspect that these other missing features rather than themissing mirror are why so many photographers preferred to stickwith DSLRs. If you could magically remove the mirror and notcompromise viewfinder resolution, viewfinder lag, viewfinderperformance in bright light, interchangeable lenses, etc., I doubtthat anyone would pass over the camera "because there isn't a mirrorinside"..

It's kinda the other way around. I have read many posts here where the writer wants to get rid of the mirror, but keep the big sensor, the interchangeable lenses, the RAW format, the flash shoe, the controls, etc. There is little good about the mirror...noisy, unreliable, slow..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #6

Glad you enjoyed my historical rant. I guess I should have mentioned Oly?.

Nah, you Oly fans woulda said something anyway... .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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