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What is 'Lightroom' please?
Is it a plug-in/add-on for Photoshop? Is it a stand-alone programme? Does it do everything photographers need without having Photoshop as well? What does it do that PS doesn't?.

I have Elements 4 which mostly does what I want but sometimes when I try to follow tutorials designed for Photoshop I come up against a brick wall because I don't have the channel mixer, or curves, or various other options..

I know Elements is a cut down version of PS - but where does Lightroom fit in? (Perhaps my ignorance confirms I have no use for this programme!).

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It's stand-alone alone. The most important task is to import/select/process RAW images..

And you can do things like make a slideshow, a web gallery and printwork. And there are a few edits possible. Nothing like PS though..

I like it better than ACR..

Kiwigirl wrote:.

Is it a plug-in/add-on for Photoshop? Is it a stand-alone programme?Does it do everything photographers need without having Photoshop aswell? What does it do that PS doesn't?.

I have Elements 4 which mostly does what I want but sometimes when Itry to follow tutorials designed for Photoshop I come up against abrick wall because I don't have the channel mixer, or curves, orvarious other options..

I know Elements is a cut down version of PS - but where doesLightroom fit in? (Perhaps my ignorance confirms I have no use forthis programme!).

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Kiwigirl wrote:.

Is it a plug-in/add-on for Photoshop? Is it a stand-alone programme?Does it do everything photographers need without having Photoshop aswell? What does it do that PS doesn't?.

I have Elements 4 which mostly does what I want but sometimes when Itry to follow tutorials designed for Photoshop I come up against abrick wall because I don't have the channel mixer, or curves, orvarious other options..

I know Elements is a cut down version of PS - but where doesLightroom fit in? (Perhaps my ignorance confirms I have no use forthis programme!).

There are 3 "flavors" of Photoshop....

Photoshop CS3Photoshop ElementsPhotoshop Lightroom.

There is also Bridge, but that's more for graphic artists than photographers..

Lightroom seems positioned for the future. It has a "radically" different interface than the others. BTW, PSE6 "looks" much like LR, but works like the old PS..

LR is quite different than the others. At the moment, it is not capable of doing much of the editing tasks that even PSE does, but the Beta 2.0 LR has some of the missing pieces added..

If you don't want a different paradigm, avoid LR. But if you are open to new approaches, LR is a fantastic step up from CS3..

LR is, at this juncture, mostly a photo database for pros who need to process many RAW pix quickly...and to access them later. It uses ACR, but doesn't look like or work like ACR in many ways. In order to appreciate LR, you must experience an epiphany..

Most LR users also use CS3 or PSE..

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Comment #2

I use Lightroom. For me, Lightroom is intended for photographers and not for graphic artists. Elements is a Photoshop Lite. Lightroom is a different type program..

I don't use the cataloguing features that some pros like but I find the program does 95% of what I need and it does it quickly and well.Patrick T. KellyOaxaca, Mexico..

Comment #3

Lightroom is a workflow program, inteded to manage photos from downloading to printing. Photoshop actually becomes a support product for LR in most cases. Since switching to LR I use it for 95% of my processing. Photoshop is used for spot edits and special efffects anymore..

I love LR's image management facilities. I still don't have my entire library imported and keyworded, but of the images shot since I started using it (6/07 - Approx. 10,000 images) I can find anything in just a few seconds..

Kiwigirl wrote:.

Is it a plug-in/add-on for Photoshop? Is it a stand-alone programme?.

Stand alone, but integrated with PS if desired..

Does it do everything photographers need without having Photoshop aswell?.

Almost. And depending on your philosophy on editing, it just might meet all your needs..

What does it do that PS doesn't?.

Not much, but it does some of the same things more efficiently, IMO. The library and catalogging abilities are much better than Bridge, I think..

I have Elements 4 which mostly does what I want but sometimes when Itry to follow tutorials designed for Photoshop I come up against abrick wall because I don't have the channel mixer, or curves, orvarious other options..

Well, to follow Photoshop tutorials you are probably going to need Photoshop. It is a powerful tool, and indispensable to most photographers..

I know Elements is a cut down version of PS - but where doesLightroom fit in? (Perhaps my ignorance confirms I have no use forthis programme!).

As others have stated, LR was made with photographers in mind. It is meant to manage your workflow and to some degree serve as a DAM tool. (Digital Asset management) It also happens to be a kickin' RAW processor and makes some interesting slide shows and web pages to boot..

Hope this helps.Chefziggyhttp://www.pbase.com/chefziggy/lecream..

Comment #4

Accompanying my new Leica D Lux 3 is a Photoshop Elements cd. I intend to shoot in RAW mode..

Do I need additional software for RAW processing? If so, then what are highly recommended in terms of software as well as instructional hardcopy books? Lightroom or what?.

Where do I begin on the quest for RAW processing?.

Kokopuffs..

Comment #5

I am pretty new but I have Lightroom. I use it for every image. I may use other programs while working on my images, but I use lightroom for most of my images at the end of my post prossesing..

It is not really a graphics program, but a tool for prossesing images and so much more.I tried the trial version and I loved it. I just had to get it.It has great slider tools for all kinds of setting when working with an image.You can position and crop your images too..

It also has a Web feature where you can set up a web gallery if you have web space. I use that for my little gallery.So .. give it a try. Download the free trial and see what you think.It is an awesome tool..

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Wait a minute, which software do you use prior to invoking Lightroom? Sounds like the latter can be used as a finishing touch to photoediting.kokopuffs..

Comment #7

Thanks to all for your comments. I have a Panasonic L1 camera and am unable to open raw shots in PSE4. A search of ACR doesn't appear to support it(?) I've only tried a couple of raw shots in Silkypix but would have to save and transfer to an editor for more drastic adjustments. I'd like something to process the raw files and complete the editing all in one programme..

I will download a trial version of Lightroom to see what all the fuss is about!Thanks again!.

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Comment #8

Lightroom is available as 30 day free trial (fully functional). Why don't you just try it?.

Edvinas..

Comment #9

Each user tends to have a different RAW process. That's OK..

I START with LR and END with LR. In the middle I occasionally go out to PSE6..

Kokopuffs wrote:.

Wait a minute, which software do you use prior to invoking Lightroom?Sounds like the latter can be used as a finishing touch tophotoediting.kokopuffs.

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Comment #10

If ACR doesn't support the RAW of your camera then LR will neither. Because they are "the same"..

The difference is that LR is a standalone converter with several workflow extentions (a rather complete product) while ACR is ONLY a converter that is used together with PS..

Kiwigirl wrote:.

Thanks to all for your comments. I have a Panasonic L1 camera and amunable to open raw shots in PSE4. A search of ACR doesn't appear tosupport it(?) I've only tried a couple of raw shots in Silkypix butwould have to save and transfer to an editor for more drasticadjustments. I'd like something to process the raw files andcomplete the editing all in one programme..

I will download a trial version of Lightroom to see what all the fussis about!Thanks again!..

Comment #11

I just started with lightroom. WB options are great. PP options limited?? I mean, can I find something like a cloning instrument in Lightroom? If so, where?..

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Mujana wrote:.

I just started with lightroom. WB options are great. PP optionslimited?? I mean, can I find something like a cloning instrument inLightroom? If so, where?.

No. Use some flavor of PS for that..

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Comment #13

As mentioned Lightroom is a workflow tool that has a lot of the toning capabilities of Photoshop, but photoshop can do things that go far beyond the needs of the typical photographer..

But there's more, LR helps you archive and retrieve your images with capable keywording features and the ability remember the location of a photo say on an external drive or your computer's hd. So where, Bridge is a good tool to peruse folders you point it to and PS is good to tone a photo you open in that application, LR is good to create a database of images, perhaps on various drives and locations so you can have all at your fingertips and let the software find them when needed..

Lightroom employs what is called non-destructive editing which means you can tone a photo, crop it or whatever and still get back to the original (out-of -camera) state. It does this by creating a separate file with your instructions..

I like to use LR as an image editor and I use it to quickly tone lots of images that just need tweaks to color balance, exposure, contrast, cropping, etc. I find I can move very fast with this tool which is important to me. For images that need a higher level of care, I can quickly move from LR to PS with a keyboard command. I also use this tool to create a collection of images when I get a request, then I move to the web module quickly customize and create a gallery and ftp (file transfer protocal) it up to my server space all from LR. Within minutes I can be emailing the client with a url to look at photos that may be of interest... you gotta love that!(of course, you can probably do this just as easily with aperature too).

I don't know anything about PS elements, but I have noticed with PS CS, CS2, and CS3 that sometimes they don't support the raw formats on newer camera models until you go to the Adobe website and download the latest camera raw plugin. swap the old plug for the new one and all works again. Don't know if this is the problem you are having but it might be worth looking into it..

Just my two cents... hope it helps..

You can see some LR generated galleries on my site under portfolios/slideshows if you are curious about the LR web output, but remember this is highly customizable and you can do much more with it that what I've done.http://www.wilhelmphoto.com..

Comment #14

There is a spot removal tool in the develop module which is not exactly what I would characterize as cloning tool. But if you just want to get rid of say sensor dust spots it is quite effective. In fact, since sensor dust appears on the same location on all concurrent images you can fix one and then apply to the others... very nice indeed..

The tool looks like two circles with an arrow in between. Worth checking out...

Comment #15

I have another camera that is a Panosonic, so I use silky pix too. It has a lot of good features. It is slow on my computer. But as much as silky pix has, I feel lightroom works so much better. The noise reduction for one is much better.It is really fast to work with too. Just my opinion.Lightroom will recognize most camera's Raw formats.I would be interested in what you think about it..

By the way... I still know only a little when it comes to using lightroom, but I know enought to have fun. :=).

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What I mean by using other programs is this, I have a Canon 40D and I usually open up my Raw images in the program that came with the camera. I have been shooting images for HDR. So I am taking at least 3 images of the same subject with different exposures..

I have a HDR program called Potomatix and after I merge images there, I then load them in Lightroom.Lightroom allows me to process the files with the best precision.I really do the major prossesing work in Lightroom rather than just fine tuning.I hope that helps explain what I meant..

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There actually is a choice of the heal tool or clone tool.I think they work really well..

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Comment #18

Thnxs for your answers. I've used the "cloning"or "healing " tool....but coming from Paint Shop Pro where the cloning tool is operated with a right and a left mouse click, I do not quite understand how this works in Lightroom...

Comment #19

90% of the time you can do a single click with the cursor and it will choose an adjacent area to fix the spot (or zit) with. Cursor size is adjusted by using the [ and ] keys like in PS. (As preumable PSE.).

If that doesn't fix it to your satisfaction, undo it then click on the spot and drag (with th left mouse button still down) the cursor to the area YOU want to sample from. Rinse and repeat as necessary..

I would not want to undertake any severe clone work with LR though. That's what the integration with PS is for..

Mujana wrote:.

Thnxs for your answers. I've used the "cloning"or "healing "tool....but coming from Paint Shop Pro where the cloning tool isoperated with a right and a left mouse click, I do not quiteunderstand how this works in Lightroom..

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Comment #21

I find Lightroom to be incredibly overrated and the hype around it unwarranted. Many other RAW processors are already adding cataloging and keywording, and Lightroom still doesn't have good color. DxO, Bibble, and Aperture all have more options, but ACR/LR still has the least no fuss interface. I'm still waiting for them to put in technology from RAWShooter, but I don't think they will. They just wanted to buy out the competition...

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