snubbr.com

What Features are most important
I know the obvious answer is "Depends on what you need". I'm going to try to describe what I'm looking for..

I did try searching for similar posts, and I've been reading reviews, but I'm feeling very confused. The Pros make every camera seem wonderful, and the Cons make all the same cameras seem like a bad choice. I would really appreciate if people could help me match up what I'm looking for with the features that are most relevant..

I'm hoping to spend not more than 1500 dollars (Canadian) including lens and accessories. At this point, I don't plan to ever replace this camera, so I want something that's going to last really well and something with features that I can grow into..

I'm starting from a point and click skill level and for everyday pictures I do want the camera to be able to do this, but I'm definitely planning to go beyond that, and I don't want to be limited too much by the camera I choose..

I hope that was clear, and I'll try to answer any questions.Thanks..

Comments (14)

CHarvie wrote:.

I know the obvious answer is "Depends on what you need". I'm going totry to describe what I'm looking for..

I did try searching for similar posts, and I've been reading reviews,but I'm feeling very confused. The Pros make every camera seemwonderful, and the Cons make all the same cameras seem like a badchoice. I would really appreciate if people could help me match upwhat I'm looking for with the features that are most relevant..

I'm hoping to spend not more than 1500 dollars (Canadian) includinglens and accessories. At this point, I don't plan to ever replacethis camera, so I want something that's going to last really well andsomething with features that I can grow into..

I'm starting from a point and click skill level and for everydaypictures I do want the camera to be able to do this, but I'mdefinitely planning to go beyond that, and I don't want to be limitedtoo much by the camera I choose..

I hope that was clear, and I'll try to answer any questions.Thanks.

Your requirements are pretty simple and generic: you want a decent DSLR kit to learn on that will last you a long time and allow you to grow into it. The short answer is that any camera within your budget will do you just fine; they are all good and they all do the same thing in the same way. The similarities massively outweigh the differences, which are relatively trivial..

It's a bit like asking 'I want to learn to drive and get a car that will allow me to develop my driving skills and will last a long time. Do I need a Honda, a Toyota or a Ford?' Well... any. Take your pick..

The standard advice is to try the cameras out in your hand and see what feels good. Ergonomics matter. People with large hands might find the Olympus cameras a bit fiddly; petite people night find a Canon 40D a bit too bulky..

Assuming that your $1500 is for everything that you are likely to need for a while, I would recommend getting a camera body with the kit lens, plus a tele zoom, plus a decent external flash, a camera bag and a memory card (if your budget will stretch that far, I don;t know what prices are like in Canada). There are many good value kits around that will give you (for example) body + 18-55 kit lens + 55-200 zoom as a starting point. Look at the Canon XSi, Nikon D60, Olympus E520, Pentax K200D, Sony alpha 350. if that takes you over budget, wait a while before getting an external flash..

One issue to note is that the Pentax / Sony / Olympus cameras have image stabilisation built into the camera body, so that it works with every lens you put on the camera. Nikon and Canon add this feature to the lenses, so if you want it you have to get a lens with this geature built in. The kits for the Canon XSi and Nikon D60 both include a VR (vibration reduction) version of their 55-200 zoom..

Good luckMikeMike..

Comment #1

Thanks for responding..

I think I've made my decision. I was back and forth between the Canon XSi and the Nikon D60. A few things pushed me toward the D60 in the end. One is that the accessories I want actually all fit in my budget. With prices from my local camera shop the Canon came out to 2000 total (I could probably get it cheaper, but I like to buy locally) and the Nikon to only 1500. The comments on the very good build of the Nikon were a really big draw, and some of the selling points of the Canon weren't things I really wanted in the end (like LiveView).

I think at this point I'll get the body and kit lens and wait on the flash and 2nd lens...

Comment #2

Good luck with it! Post some pictures when you have some...best wishesMike..

Comment #3

CHarvie wrote:.

Blah blah blah. The comments on the very goodbuild of the Nikon were a really big draw, and some of the sellingpoints of the Canon weren't things I really wanted in the end (likeLiveView).

I think at this point I'll get the body and kit lens and wait on theflash and 2nd lens..

I think your post is a recipe for disaster. You can go to any brand forum and find several threads of people who are disappointed with their choice of brand, including todays buzz favorite, Nikon..

A cr@ppy camera you will use is better than the best built camera that sits on your shelf. Do not listen to anybody about the camera..

Go to your store take some images of the people behind the counter, the boxes, the carpet, really whatever you want. Are the results repeatable? When you take a picture of the same subject in succession do the images look the same? How long does the focus hunt in low light? Does it over flash, under flash? How long between shots?.

Take the card home and look at the pictures however you are going to display them, computer, television, image frame etc. Print some. Which one do you like?.

If you've owned a digital camera of any kind you might think about staying with that brand if you liked the menu logic. If you don't see yourself ever using the menus think about a bridge camera. Remember to get the most out of a dslr tweaking is required..

If you've never owned a digital camera, consider a P&S camera like the tz5 or at most a bridge camera. You don't even know if you will like fooling with the pictures on your computer. Do you like wide angle shots or do you prefer telephoto images?.

Too many people forget about Goldilocks. They run after the best built, best images and best dynamic range and never get the camera that is just right for them..

REd..

Comment #4

I think REd has a reading comprehension level that's off the scale (in the negative direction). Much of what he wrote was obviously a result of failure to read and remember your OP. The rest was just blather..

Red13 wrote:.

CHarvie wrote:.

Blah blah blah. The comments on the very goodbuild of the Nikon were a really big draw, and some of the sellingpoints of the Canon weren't things I really wanted in the end (likeLiveView).

I think at this point I'll get the body and kit lens and wait on theflash and 2nd lens..

I think your post is a recipe for disaster. You can go to any brandforum and find several threads of people who are disappointed withtheir choice of brand, including todays buzz favorite, Nikon..

Huh? What prompted that outburst? What's with the Nikon hatred?.

A /BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #5

Lots of things to reply to. I did think that you came on a bit strong, Red13, but I'll go ahead and answer your questions in order to keep steering myself toward a good choice. I do think I'd be hard pressed to pick a camera without listening to anybody..

I've used several different P&S cameras (belonging to friends) and found that they didn't let give me as much control over specific features as I wanted. I had a good experience with my friend's film SLR once, and a low end dslr seems to be the best next step for my own camera (I had to look up bridge camera, but it seems like a waste if I might want to replace it in a few months).

I like 'tweaking'. I want to 'tweak' as much as possible. That's the point of a dslr camera, isn't it? And if the menu isn't totally logical, I'll get used to it or work around it. I'm comfortable with that sort of thing, so I'm not fussy in that regard. I also know how to use (more than one) image editing program. I've done more of that than I've taken the original pictures, so far..

I'd read about going to handle the cameras, but I hadn't heard about trying shots in the store first. Would I be able to put tests from more than 1 camera on the same card to take home? I'm guessing not, but I might be pleasantly surprised..

What am I going to use it for? I have lots of things in mind. General people shots with friends (these are the ones that I'd rather not take the time to fiddle with settings), lots of landscapes and cityscapes (ideally also at night), probably some close-ups and stock-type photos (for use in other projects), probably a fair bit in black and white and/or artsy photos, and I suspect I'll get talked into doing sports action shots for friends. I am definitely looking for something that's flexible, can do a little bit of many things..

Does this change the suggestions at all, or does the general approach that any camera in that class will do a good job for what I want still apply?..

Comment #6

I think you're heading in the right direction. As others have said, the entry and mid-level bodies from pretty much any of the major manufacturers are good, and since you don't want to upgrade any time soon, I'd probably buy the best body I can afford, and go with kit lenses to start to keep it cheap. As you shoot and develop your skills, you'll begin to discover what focal lengths suit your style and subjects best, and then you can invest on better lenses later on. Same with other accessories like external flash and such. You can always get those items over time when you have a better idea of your requirements..

Best of luck, and greetings from a fellow Canuck!.

Marion.

CHarvie wrote:.

Thanks for responding..

I think I've made my decision. I was back and forth between the CanonXSi and the Nikon D60. A few things pushed me toward the D60 in theend. One is that the accessories I want actually all fit in mybudget. With prices from my local camera shop the Canon came out to2000 total (I could probably get it cheaper, but I like to buylocally) and the Nikon to only 1500. The comments on the very goodbuild of the Nikon were a really big draw, and some of the sellingpoints of the Canon weren't things I really wanted in the end (likeLiveView).

I think at this point I'll get the body and kit lens and wait on theflash and 2nd lens...

Comment #7

CHarvie wrote:.

What am I going to use it for? I have lots of things in mind. Generalpeople shots with friends (these are the ones that I'd rather nottake the time to fiddle with settings), lots of landscapes andcityscapes (ideally also at night), probably some close-ups andstock-type photos (for use in other projects), probably a fair bit inblack and white and/or artsy photos, and I suspect I'll get talkedinto doing sports action shots for friends. I am definitely lookingfor something that's flexible, can do a little bit of many things..

Does this change the suggestions at all, or does the general approachthat any camera in that class will do a good job for what I wantstill apply?.

That still applies!Best wishesMike..

Comment #8

Chuxter wrote:.

I think REd has a reading comprehension level that's off the scale(in the negative direction). Much of what he wrote was obviously aresult of failure to read and remember your OP. The rest was justblather..

Red13 wrote:.

Blah, blah, blah.

Huh? What prompted that outburst? What's with the Nikon hatred?.

Sorry if it was too emphatic. Don't hate Nikon. Don't hate any brand and don't love any brand..

Some people should not be trusted...their advice is usually slantedtoward what they personally own. REd doesn't seem to post on any"brand forum" so I have no idea what his slant is?.

I'm not sure what you mean about trusting others advice. I hope I helped the OP..

Blah, blah, blah.

All these are good suggestions. You should also pay attention to howthe camera feels in YOUR hands and especially note how easy/difficultit is to find a specific feature in the menus..

A lot more blah, blah, blah.

Yep..

Still more blah, blah, blah...If you don'tsee yourself ever using the menus think about a bridge camera..

Like "bridge" cams don't have menus? Duh!.

Yes 'bridge' cams have menus but they can capture the image without fiddling while you're learning. They often go from a mild wide angle to a telephoto without changing a lens. They also offer a good platform to bump against limitations while capturing images. As a person meets limitations they learn what they want in the forever camera..

Remember to get the most out of a dslr tweaking is required..

If the sky is really falling, perhaps we'll be lucky and it will hitREd square on the noggin and knock some sense into that head... .

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make..

The truth is that unless you have an established bias toward aspecific "look", any dSLR will work w/o "tweaking". Many peoplebelieve that each brand has a different philosophy of what looks"correct". This is probably true, but these differences are quitesubtle. Minor changes to saturation and sharpening usually get anydSLR to produce acceptable pix. It's a non-issue for most beginners..

If you've never owned a digital camera, consider a P&S camera likethe tz5 or at most a bridge camera..

I'm pretty sure you have experience with a P&S, because you said so..

I do need to work on my reading comprehension then. The question migh be what limitations prompted his desire to change. He might allso ask himself did he use the menus. Whenever I use a P&S I'm often frustrated by limitations so I find myself mostly in manual mode. Actually the upgrade process might be similar for the auto mode digital shooter and a photographer new to digital..

Unlike REd, I don't know if you have experience with photo editors. Iwould suggest that to get the most from a digital image, it's reallybest to do some simple, basic post-processing..

Sounds like we agree about tweaking..

Blah.

Good question. You didn't give us any clues what you intend to takepix of....

Too many people forget about Goldilocks....

Yep, I try to forget most fables. They offer simplistic advice aboutmany things, but most skip over digital photography. .

Mike 703 gave you good advice..

In the main it looks like we agree on most things except I didn't say Nikon was the bomb. Plus your posts are clearer than mine..

REd..

Comment #9

I'm planning to hold off buying extra lenses and goodies for a little while. It will be easier in terms of money, and I'm sure I'll take time to get used to the features on the camera without mixing in speciialised lenses..

I definitely like the approach of "buy the best I can". I'm just trying to figure out what that means...

Comment #10

For me the best "feature" of any camera is image quality. In a nutshell, this translates to resolution, dynamic range and noise, in no particular order. The points others have raised are certainly valid and your reasons for choosing the Nikon are sound. However, the argument someone else makes about the camera with the best IQ is useless if it sits on a shelf can be turned around, at least in my mind, to a camera with poor IQ is more likely to be left on the shelf than a heavier/more awkward camera with good IQ..

Oh, and by the way, I'm not sure that this will be the last purchase on your camera system for a while. I have no doubts the Nikon will last for many years but beware the Upgradeitis bug. It's incurable and treatment is expensive!..

Comment #11

The most important feature is how you get along with the camera.All have pros and cons. the differences are quite subtle..

Take a 10 MP camera if you want to crop a lot or print very large. Take a 6 MP if low light is your priority..

I'd rather buy a Nikon D40 body and a good lens (like 16-85 mm VR) than Nikon D60 with kit lens. Canon 450D is quite expensive. You may look at Pentax K200D, Sony A200 and Olympus E420 also.VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #12

Chris59 wrote:.

Oh, and by the way, I'm not sure that this will be the last purchaseon your camera system for a while. I have no doubts the Nikon willlast for many years but beware the Upgradeitis bug. It's incurableand treatment is expensive!.

You may be right. As I do more reading I see that. But it may be kept away by the powerful antidote of my frugalness..

I went out to the store tonight to try the cameras, compare the layout of buttons, how they feel to hold. They both seemed quite good, but I think I have a slight preference for the Nikon just off the top (Would I have preferred the Canon for layout if I was leaning that way...?).

I looked at the menus a bit, did a test shot or two, but I found it intimidating to really muck around with them in the store. I feel as though we would need alone time to really get to know one another..

I still have to save up a bit more before I can buy...

Comment #13

CHarvie wrote:.

I went out to the store tonight to try the cameras, compare thelayout of buttons, how they feel to hold. They both seemed quitegood, but I think I have a slight preference for the Nikon just offthe top (Would I have preferred the Canon for layout if I was leaningthat way...?).

Just the fact that you are aware of how your mind may be biasing your judgment prolly means that you are as neutral as possible. Don't be too critical of yourself. There is nothing wrong with buying what you like!.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #14

Click Here to View All...

Sponsored Amazon Deals:

1. Get big savings on Amazon warehouse deals.
2. Save up to 70% on Amazon Products.


This question was taken from a support group/message board and re-posted here so others can learn from it.

 

Categories: Home | Diet & Weight Management | Vitamins & Supplements | Herbs & Cleansing |

Sexual Health | Medifast Support | Nutrisystem Support | Medifast Questions |

Web Hosting | Web Hosts | Website Hosting | Hosting |

Web Hosting | GoDaddy | Digital Cameras | Best WebHosts |

Web Hosting FAQ | Web Hosts FAQ | Hosting FAQ | Hosting Group |

Hosting Questions | Camera Tips | Best Cameras To Buy | Best Cameras This Year |

Camera Q-A | Digital Cameras Q-A | Camera Forum | Nov 2010 - Cameras |

Oct 2010 - Cameras | Oct 2010 - DSLRs | Oct 2010 - Camera Tips | Sep 2010 - Cameras |

Sep 2010 - DSLRS | Sep 2010 - Camera Tips | Aug 2010 - Cameras | Aug 2010 - DSLR Tips |

Aug 2010 - Camera Tips | July 2010 - Cameras | July 2010 - Nikon Cameras | July 2010 - Canon Cameras |

July 2010 - Pentax Cameras | Medifast Recipes | Medifast Recipes Tips | Medifast Recipes Strategies |

Medifast Recipes Experiences | Medifast Recipes Group | Medifast Recipes Forum | Medifast Support Strategies |

Medifast Support Experiences |

 

(C) Copyright 2010 All rights reserved.