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In this post I am wondering any camera suggestion for me. I will take any suggestions, books, filters, lenses, cameras. This is what I want one to work in.

Fast action shotsLow LightWindy BeachesFoggy Conditionsunder 1500 for a camera, lens, battery, and memory card.

If you could list the camera, why it would be good for me, and some of it's downfalls, that would be much appreciated.Thanks,Ben..

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We all want a camera that works great in all of that..

How bout a: 6MP original Digital Rebel ($300)then an 85mm f1.2 with the rest of your cash..

-Matt.

Http://exnophoto.com.

The blog: http://Exno.Blogspot.com..

Comment #1

I second Matt's suggestion. Another option is the second camera in the Rebel line, namely the Rebel XT..

Jerryhttp://jchoate.zenfolio.com/..

Comment #2

If you're willing to spend $1500, I'd get a Canon 40D. That's a much better camera than those entry level models. I like Nikon's D300 a little better, but it's a little higher. The 40D will do anything you ask of it for many years into the future. In fact, it would be my choice in the Canon line regardless of price..

For a little less, I'd opt for the new Canon XSi. It's also a wonderful camera and it'll be a lot less than your stated amount..

I would also consider the Nkon D80. I think Nikon glass is the best, though the Canon 40D is probably a better body..

Personally, I'd only consider the Nikon or Canon lines as you're buying into a system, not just a camera. Those two offer a much much larger system to grow into, no matter the arguments put forth by owners of other brands...

Comment #3

BenYorke wrote:.

In this post I am wondering any camera suggestion for me..

I thought you bought the Pentax..

I willtake any suggestions, books, filters, lenses, cameras. This is whatI want one to work in.

Fast action shots.

F/2.8 or better if indoors, probably telephoto zoom if you're talking sports..

Low Light.

F/2.8 or better, maybe IS if shooting still objects..

Windy BeachesFoggy Conditions.

Weather sealed? built in umbrella? You don't want to be changing lenses on windy beaches if you can help it so a zoom with good focal range?.

I don't really think this is a matter of the camera body as much as it is a matter of the lens..

Under 1500 for a camera, lens, battery, and memory card.

These are all B&H online prices in USD:.

Canon Rebel XT ($395)EF 100mm f/2 ($390) for the fast action and low light, portraits, great DOFEF 50mm f/1.8 ($85) low light indoors, portraits, great DOFEF-S 18-55 IS ($200) for the wide angles at the beach and general purpose.

EF-S 55-250 IS ($300) for outside telephoto zoom. Could be good for fast action if there is plenty of light.

You may say, why the primes if their focal length is duplicated in the zooms? Anyone who shoots primes will tell you that aperture is everything. Speed, bokeh, and lovin' every minute of it..

All DSLRs come with batteries..

4GB CF at Costco for less than $30. Get two of those. Even if you shoot RAW you'll get hundreds of images per card..

You would have a small light body with four very versatile lenses that would allow you to shoot just about anything you want. You'd be covered. And if you decide later you want the 40D or something faster, all your lenses make the upgrade with you, and you keep the XT as backup..

Your cost would be about $1450 plus some shipping..

If you could list the camera, why it would be good for me,.

Easy to learn. Great bang for the buck. Well supported with huge lens lineup. Great IQ and high ISO performance for the price. Proven track record..

And someof it's downfalls, that would be much appreciated..

No weather sealing. Small camera. Only 3fps bursts..

I don't know anything about photography. I just like to press the shutter button and hear that sound...

Comment #4

Guidenet wrote:.

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Personally, I'd only consider the Nikon or Canon lines as you'rebuying into a system, not just a camera. Those two offer a much muchlarger system to grow into, no matter the arguments put forth byowners of other brands..

This is true...only in Canon and Nikon can you get a stabilised prime like 50 1.4 or those wonderful Canon limited primes....oh wait sorry...

All systems have there strengths and weaknesses Pentax lacks long teles with in lens motors and 5fps dslrs..if thats what you need do not buy Pentax. There are reasons to buy any camera system..

Are you going to spend the price of a small car on a single lens?...if not than ANY system will do...Pentax isn't for you?,thats ok feel free to look at Oly or Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Sigma and Samsung...(I would not be suprised if Sony was number one within 3 years)...by all means look at Canon and Nikon as well, just that right at the moment, you will get more value with some of the smaller players...go hold as many cameras as you can and get whats right for you..

Me... I am not a pro so can not justify spending 10-15 thousand dollars to get what I have in pentax for a fraction of the cost..

Neil..

Comment #5

Neil holmes wrote:.

Guidenet wrote:.

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Personally, I'd only consider the Nikon or Canon lines as you'rebuying into a system, not just a camera. Those two offer a much muchlarger system to grow into, no matter the arguments put forth byowners of other brands..

This is true...only in Canon and Nikon can you get a stabilised primelike 50 1.4 or those wonderful Canon limited primes....oh wait sorry...

All systems have there strengths and weaknesses Pentax lacks longteles with in lens motors and 5fps dslrs..if thats what you need donot buy Pentax. There are reasons to buy any camera system.Are you going to spend the price of a small car on a singlelens?...if not than ANY system will do...Pentax isn't for you?,thatsok feel free to look at Oly or Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Sigma andSamsung...(I would not be suprised if Sony was number one within 3years)...by all means look at Canon and Nikon as well, just thatright at the moment, you will get more value with some of the smallerplayers...go hold as many cameras as you can and get whats right foryou..

Me... I am not a pro so can not justify spending 10-15 thousanddollars to get what I have in pentax for a fraction of the cost.neil.

Those two offer a much much larger system to grow into, no matter the arguments put forth by owners of other brands...

Comment #6

Guidenet wrote:.

Neil holmes wrote:.

Guidenet wrote:.

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Personally, I'd only consider the Nikon or Canon lines as you'rebuying into a system, not just a camera. Those two offer a much muchlarger system to grow into, no matter the arguments put forth byowners of other brands..

This is true...only in Canon and Nikon can you get a stabilised primelike 50 1.4 or those wonderful Canon limited primes....oh wait sorry...

All systems have there strengths and weaknesses Pentax lacks longteles with in lens motors and 5fps dslrs..if thats what you need donot buy Pentax. There are reasons to buy any camera system.Are you going to spend the price of a small car on a singlelens?...if not than ANY system will do...Pentax isn't for you?,thatsok feel free to look at Oly or Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Sigma andSamsung...(I would not be suprised if Sony was number one within 3years)...by all means look at Canon and Nikon as well, just thatright at the moment, you will get more value with some of the smallerplayers...go hold as many cameras as you can and get whats right foryou..

Me... I am not a pro so can not justify spending 10-15 thousanddollars to get what I have in pentax for a fraction of the cost.neil.

Those two offer a much much larger system to grow into, no matter thearguments put forth by owners of other brands..

What am I missing?.

17-35 2.8-4 (stabilised)28-105 2.8-4 (stabilised)28 f2 (stabilised)50 1.2 (stabilised)135 1.8 (stabilised)300 2.8 (stabilised)80-210 3.8-4 (stabilised).

Many of those are manual focus...thats fine with me. I also have an 1.7x auto focus adapter that works very well with all those lenses (ie the 300 2.8 becomes a 510mm 4.8 af stabilised lens.).

I have a few other lesser lenses and a 85 or 77 1.8 will be added soon then a Tamron 28-75 2.8 (stabilsed of course)..

Yes Canon and Nikon have more lenses to choose from....not as many more as you would want people to believe...how many do you need? actually within a few months it will be that (long expensive lenses aside... that only a few actually buy) you will have the same choice of focal length for Pentax just you may only have one choice instead of 2.....but then Pentax, OLY and the others gives you OTHER choices not available for Canikon..

Oh and that entire kit of mine costs a fraction of a 500mm f4 stabilsed auto focus lens (which I can do..ok it's not as good as a 500 f4, but it's good enough and better than whats available to Canikon if you do not have the thousands for a 300 or 400 2.8 with convertors, or 500 or 600 f4...come to think of it my kit would be a lot less than a 300 2.8IS or VR..

If I was a pro TODAY I proabaly WOULD use Nikon...LAST year it would have been Canon....NEXT year it may very well be Sony.

Within a year Sony will have as many or MORE cameras to choose from than Canon or Nikon. Sony is not my choice of brand, but to say people should ignore it it because they may not have one or two lenses that Nikon does (while ignoring what they have that Nikon does not)..well thats just silly..

Neil..

Comment #7

One, I did not say lenses, I said system. Don't get me wrong. I have a soft spot for Pentax. I shot Pentax from the late 1950s to the late 1960s. I still own several of those wonderful cameras and lenses..

But, Nikon and Canon's system is much more than lenses. We're talking about a network of dealers around the world. We're talking the ability to rent equipment nearly anywhere if you need to. A system means you can find a right angle attachment without having to mail order it... there's a body cap at the photo shop on the next block. We're talking support with over 50 years as a market leader and commitment to photographers, pro and advanced amatuer alike.

We're talking about world class optics, not subcontracting out to Sigma, Tamron and others. There's much more to a system, but would take several pages to describe, but I'm sure you know what I mean..

Most people don't need all that. They're happy with one or two kit lenses and a body. For them, it doesn't make a real difference which they pick. If, on the other hand, they decide to expand out, to become an enthusiastic hobbiest, they may wish that level of system behind them. It's something to consider. That's all...

Comment #8

Guidenet wrote:.

One, I did not say lenses, I said system. Don't get me wrong. I havea soft spot for Pentax. I shot Pentax from the late 1950s to the late1960s. I still own several of those wonderful cameras and lenses..

But, Nikon and Canon's system is much more than lenses. We're talkingabout a network of dealers around the world. We're talking theability to rent equipment nearly anywhere if you need to. A systemmeans you can find a right angle attachment without having to mailorder it... there's a body cap at the photo shop on the next block.We're talking support with over 50 years as a market leader andcommitment to photographers, pro and advanced amatuer alike. We'realso talking about a broad spectrum of lenses.

There's much more to a system, but would take several pagesto describe, but I'm sure you know what I mean..

Most people don't need all that. They're happy with one or two kitlenses and a body. For them, it doesn't make a real difference whichthey pick. If, on the other hand, they decide to expand out, tobecome an enthusiastic hobbiest, they may wish that level of systembehind them. It's something to consider. That's all..

Hi.

And again many of those things are not what most people will use/need..

All the dslr manufacturers have systems and they are used by many different people. The nearest camera store to me is just across the road and it has as large a Pentax assortment as anything else...if you want certain gear for ANY brand, THEY would have to order it in...whats the difference between me or them doing it? It would be the same with just about any camera store other than a few large ones catering to pros in large cities....and even then it would not be many..

Lenses are a major part of any system....and what was USED to be quoted as why choosing Canikon over other brands before that it was IS/VR...now it's "other things" it would not matter WHAT was available some people would still use the same silly argument..

To reccomend someone ONLY stick with Canikon because those brands MIGHT have something that the person will never want or need while NOT having something available elsewhere they find useful or necessary (eg stabilised 50 1.4 af lens) is crazy..

All brands have system, all systems have plenty...different but plenty...if it does not have what YOU want then get one that does...but pick the one that HAS what you want...not what MIGHT have something that 99% will NEVER use..

Neil..

Comment #9

You know. I don't think some of you read what the other says. Half of what you say in argument is what I already said. LOL.

I guess it's just a fan's response, tenaciously clinging to an idea or brand..

I said that if one was just sticking to a camera and a couple of lenses, it didn't matter. I agreed with you. I also said a lot of other stuff you conveniently dodged, not that it matters..

Moreover, using CAPITAL letters to make a point doesn't give extra validity to your statements. Calm down and read what I said. I didnt attack Pentax. They are fine cameras. They have a good 50 f1.4, I'm sure. They have a fine relationship with Cosina, Tamron and Sigma to design lenses for the Pentax name.

Pentax SMC is very good. Pentax cameras have nice weather-proofing. They're fairly inexpensive and will make a good camera for many people. Like I said, I have a soft spot for Pentax as a company. I just wish they still made top notch, best of class lenses under the Takumar or Asahi name.

Asahi-Kogaku was a great company..

I wish they'd stayed even with Nikon in the late sixties. Asahi Optical was one of the finest makers of great glass in the day. They let Nikon and Canon take the pro market away from them or I'd probably still own Pentax today. The Pentax LX was also a great camera. Maybe one day...

Comment #10

No, I never got the pentax. But a few questions:.

Canon 40D - 1150Nikon D200 - 100Sony A350 - 900.

Which has built in AF? Which has the Best?Which is the best build?Which is has the best lens?Which backs up it's product the best?What are some main pros and cons?.

Any Help AppreciatedThanks,Ben..

Comment #11

Guidenet wrote:.

You know. I don't think some of you read what the other says. Half ofwhat you say in argument is what I already said. LOL.

I think maybe you should re read what I posted...I do agree with a lot of what you say..I just think that advising people to stick to Canon and Nikon as a system is silly.

I guess it's just a fan's response, tenaciously clinging to an ideaor brand..

"Personally, I'd only consider the Nikon or Canon lines as you're buying into a system, not just a camera. Those two offer a much much larger system to grow into, no matter the arguments put forth by owners of other brands".

I am not saying buy Pentax, but I am not saying do not buy it either..

I am saying look at ALL your options not just blindly saying Canikon. I USE Pentax but often reccomend another brand if thats what it takes...can YOU say the same thing?.

I said that if one was just sticking to a camera and a couple oflenses, it didn't matter. I agreed with you. I also said a lot ofother stuff you conveniently dodged, not that it matters..

And if you want more than just a lens or two it STILL applies....all systems are diifferent and have different things to interest different people.what have I conveniently left out that you think is important?.

Moreover, using CAPITAL letters to make a point doesn't give extravalidity to your statements. Calm down and read what I said. I didntattack Pentax. They are fine cameras. They have a good 50 f1.4, I'msure. They have a fine relationship with Cosina, Tamron and Sigma todesign lenses for the Pentax name.

Pentax SMC is very good. Pentax camerashave nice weather-proofing. They're fairly inexpensive and will makea good camera for many people. Like I said, I have a soft spot forPentax as a company. I just wish they still made top notch, best ofclass lenses under the Takumar or Asahi name.

Asahi-Kogaku was a great company..

No you said only consider Canon and Nikon etc etc.And no matter, they make some first class lenses under the Pentax name..

The limited primes are as good as anything...and some of those other brand lenses are also as good as canikon stuff...just depends on what you want and how much you want to pay..And since I am not just defending Pentax as you seem to think...Sony, Oly Leica (I forgot about them last post) Sigma etc make very good lenses...some better and some worse than Canikon...just like everyone.Oh and if Canon or nikon is the choice for a person...great!.

I wish they'd stayed even with Nikon in the late sixties. AsahiOptical was one of the finest makers of great glass in the day. Theylet Nikon and Canon take the pro market away from them or I'dprobably still own Pentax today. The Pentax LX was also a greatcamera. Maybe one day..

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They made the medium format their pro segment and left the 35mm for enthusiast...which Nikon did not do...which was better for a pro..depends on the indivudual photographers needs. Pentax did not go digital quickly enough is the mistake I believe they made....they should have put out that full frame camera when they trialed it a few years before the Ist*D but again no matter I am not a share holder and use their cameras....if they break I will get another, if something comes along I like a lot more in a another brand I will get that. I do think that eventually Pentax will go and Samsung will take over on a much larger level...but thats just my guess..

Neil..

Comment #12

I just bought a Nikon 85 1.8 manual focus lens.

Now I will have to see if I remount it to pentax where it will meter and be stabilised and I will be able to even autofocus it using the 1.7x afa...or by a cheap Nikon body a little later to use it on where it will not meter or be stabilised.

Neil..

Comment #13

It all boils down to what I said, and I consider it valid. Canon and Nikon do offer a much larger system, regardless what arguments owners of other brands might make..

That's not an indictment of other brands. That's not a put-down of other brands. That's not saying that a particular feature of another brand might not be important to a person. That's just making a simple factual statement. If one needs to be able to grow into a huge system of possibilities, that's where it is. If that simple statement bothers you, equipment and brands are too important to you. Get out and take pictures...

Comment #14

BenYorke wrote:.

No, I never got the pentax. But a few questions:.

Canon 40D - 1150Nikon D200 - 100Sony A350 - 900.

I don't know much about the Sony, so I can't say much. Of those three, it seems to me that the D200 is closer to what tou are looking for. Weather sealing being one of the biggest issues..

Which has built in AF? Which has the Best?.

All have 'built in' AF. The best? talk about a loaded question... Both the D40 and D200 have excellent AF, though lately Canon has been notorious for AF issues, such as back focus (focus behind subject), front focus. At least that's what you will see if you search the Canon forums. I haven't read of many issues with the D200..

Which is the best build?.

The Canon is fine in build quality, but the D200 is a tank..

Which is has the best lens?.

Very subjective. Depends on what lenses you want. Ask in the respective forums about specific lenses..

Which backs up it's product the best?.

From what I've read in the Canon forums, Canon seems to tend to deny or seemingly ignore (publicly) issues that come up. There was the XTi underexposure issue, the focus issue with their flagship cam, though I haven't read about many specific issues with the 40D. Some AF issues with some lenses..

What are some main pros and cons?.

The Canon will probably be better with noise and detail at higher ISO, like 1250 and above, or so I've read. I've met a few pros who are thrilled with the D200, though. Then again, I know a few pros whos are thrilled with Oly products as well. Depends. Check the Buying Guide on the left side of this page for more specific guidance..

Any Help AppreciatedThanks,Ben.

Shinndigghttp://www.pbase.com/shinndigg..

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