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What camera to choose?
Hello, I hope here I can find help for choosing a new camera .

I know what I want to have in my new camera. But I don't know which one is a good one. So I hope you can help me  I am looking for a compact or SLR-like camera, but not too big  I want camera that I can put in middle size hand bag .

The camera specifications I am looking for are:.

1. Sensor size - to be big enough so there won't be too much noise when shooting at high ISO2. Aperture priority3. Shutter priority4. Manual focus5. Zoom lens about 4x - 12x6.

RAW (it is not very important feature).

Thank you in advance for the help and sorry for my English ..

Comments (19)

Have you checked out the G9? It fits most of these specs, but many brands all have their more advanced p&s's and you can check by just going manufacturer websites. Forget high ISO though. It's just not possible. 200 at most, or 400 if you get lucky. Most of the sensors are all around the same size, but look for the "largest" - 1/1.7" (or was it the other way around - 1.7/1" - you get the point). You can easily check sensor size on this website..

I believe there's an ultra small Olympus DSLR with a pancake lens if you're interested though. It's not out yet...

Comment #1

I was looking at so many cameras already that I really don't know what to choose. Somebody told me that the G9 gets some problems after using it a while... something with the sensor they mentioned.....

Comment #2

The G9 and A650IS have the largest sensors of the compact Canons but also have 12 megapixels, which counteracts the advantage of the large sensor..

Canon uses a relatively light touch with noise reduction, which results in noise over 400ISO but retains detail. Other companies, like Panasonic and Sony, use heavier noise reduction which reduces the noise plus the amount of detail. Canon compact cameras have excellent picture quality as long as you don't go above 400ISO...

Comment #3

Olympus e410 might be a fit for you. it's worth a look..

Comment #4

I thought manual focus would be important too. So I did end up with a SLR-like P&S with very nice manual focus. But my experience was that the AF / Focus Lock method was actually more useful. In the future I will look for the Focus Lock feature, but not actual manual focus..

Kelly Cook..

Comment #5

AndyfromVA wrote:.

The G9 and A650IS have the largest sensors of the compact Canons butalso have 12 megapixels, which counteracts the advantage of the largesensor..

Thank you for your answer..

Can you explain me about the connection between sensor size and megapixels? How big should be the sensor if the camera has lets say 8-10 megapixels?.

Diddi..

Comment #6

Diddi wrote:.

AndyfromVA wrote:.

The G9 and A650IS have the largest sensors of the compact Canons butalso have 12 megapixels, which counteracts the advantage of the largesensor..

Thank you for your answer.Can you explain me about the connection between sensor size andmegapixels? How big should be the sensor if the camera has lets say8-10 megapixels?.

Diddi.

Larger sensors have larger pixels, which are more sensitive to light, leading to better images and less noise. If there are too many pixels, they perform poorly because they're smaller (more pixels shoved into the same size area - if the sensor size changed as the megapixels increased, this wouldn't be as much of a problem, but this usually doesn't happen)..

I think that 8-10 megapixels would be the best for small sensors. Unfortunately, you don't really have that much control over either of these things (sensor size or megapixels). Shooting RAW may help, as exposing to the right as well (more tones in the image and you can decrease noise by darkening the picture after)...

Comment #7

Glitched wrote:.

Larger sensors have larger pixels, which are more sensitive to light,leading to better images and less noise. If there are too manypixels, they perform poorly because they're smaller (more pixelsshoved into the same size area - if the sensor size changed as themegapixels increased, this wouldn't be as much of a problem, but thisusually doesn't happen).I think that 8-10 megapixels would be the best for small sensors.Unfortunately, you don't really have that much control over either ofthese things (sensor size or megapixels). Shooting RAW may help, asexposing to the right as well (more tones in the image and you candecrease noise by darkening the picture after)..

Ok. So then what should be better? For example a camera with 1/2.3(1/2.5) sensor and 7-8 megapixels or a camera with 1/1.7 sensor and 10-12 megapixels?..

Comment #8

Not really. If all things were equal, I would opt for the 1/1.7 sensor. However, all things are never equal. IQ is also affected by the quality of the sensor, the compression applied to create the JPG file, any noise reduction, and any sharpening. Taken together, these factors apart for the sensor size often have a greater affect on the IQ than the sensor configuration. Which is why we pour over the online test shots with the different cameras.



Kelly Cook..

Comment #9

KCook wrote:.

Not really. If all things were equal, I would opt for the 1/1.7sensor. However, all things are never equal. IQ is also affected bythe quality of the sensor, the compression applied to create the JPGfile, any noise reduction, and any sharpening. Taken together, thesefactors apart for the sensor size often have a greater affect on theIQ than the sensor configuration. Which is why we pour over theonline test shots with the different cameras.



Kelly Cook.

Thank you very much for your answer, Kelly. I would like to ask you what camera you would recommend me? I wrote the features I want in my first post... Thank you in advance....

Diana (Diddi)..

Comment #10

Diddi wrote:.

I know what I want to have in my new camera. But I don't know whichone is a good one. So I hope you can help me  I am looking for acompact or SLR-like camera, but not too big  I want camera that Ican put in middle size hand bag .

Consider Canon G9. It is great camera with sharp lens..

The camera specifications I am looking for are:1. Sensor size - to be big enough so there won't be too much noisewhen shooting at high ISO2. Aperture priority3. Shutter priority4. Manual focus5. Zoom lens about 4x - 12x6.

RAW (it is not very important feature).

Well. You just discribed G9!Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #11

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Well. You just discribed G9!Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612.

Thanks ))) But somebody told me that G9 has some problems after some time of using it. Is that true?? And also what can you tell me about Panasonic FZ18(or FZ50) or Panasonic LX2?..

Comment #12

Diddi wrote:.

Thanks ))).

Welcome..

But somebody told me that G9 has some problems aftersome time of using it. Is that true??.

Probably true for that person's camera. But that probability is much smaller to worry about. On amazon, 117 out of 167 have given it 5star rating. So don't worry. Most likely the problem could be attributed to random chance or handling..

Http://www.amazon.com/..._cm_cr_acr_txt?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1It has sturdy body, good handling, high resolution, OVF. Costly though..

And also what can you tell meabout Panasonic FZ18(or FZ50).

Well. These are bigger. FZ50 is best superzoom around (only if you shoot in Raw mode. It's JPG compresssion is not good). Its lens is sharp and has least distortion among others in class. It is bulkiest though.



FZ18 is value for mony superzoom, again if you shoot Raw. It is smaller and has wide-angle too. Good choice for budget conscious and for travel. The lens is best among 18x superzooms (low distortion and fringing problems, good sharpness).or Panasonic LX2?.

This is wide angle compact (although not pocket friendly, as lens barrel protrudes even in off condition) with Raw mode, but does not have EVF. So if you shoot action, then not good. Else good enough. Good choice for panoramas/landscapes (full resolution in 16:9 ratio) and travel.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #13

Ajay0612 , thanks again .

So now let me ask you something else... I hope I am not too annoying  So for the features I mentioned what camera is best from Panasonic, Sony, Olympus and Samsung. For Canon G9 everything is clear .

Diddi..

Comment #14

I kind of agree with Ajay on the Canon G9. Very nice design and quality, but also pretty darned high price. Canon's own A-series and SX100 are better deals..

I want camera that I can put in middle size hand bag.

In theory a SLR-like superzoom can be squeezed into a hand bag. I had a Canon S3 (recently stolen from me). My view is that this type camera really goes over the boundary for a pocket camera. Practical to carry all day only with it's own case, like a traditional 35mm SLR. If you are serious about the hand bag carry, I would at least step down to the next size, which is the Canon SX100 and Sony H3 area..

For the degree of manual controls you want, that leaves limited choices. See Canon A-series and SX100, Fuji F50fd, Nikon P5100, Panasonic FX500 and LX2, Sony H3 and W300. All nice gear. I used to think IQ was paramount in selecting a camera. But I'm coming around now to the view that these differences are often exaggerated on these message boards. So first I would just look at which cameras have their controls arranged in a way that I am comfortable with.



Kelly..

Comment #15

Diddi wrote:.

Ajay0612 , thanks again .

So now let me ask you something else... I hope I am not too annoying So for the features I mentioned what camera is best fromPanasonic,.

FZ18, LX2, FZ50 in that order (ranking based on size & value). I would never shoot JPGs on those though. Only Raw. All top on "value for money" charts..

Sony,.

H50 (just because you can dial down Noise Reduction). Other Sonys just use too much NR and JPG compression. Purple Fringing is also a concern..

Olympus.

Only a DSLR from Oly (e.g. E510 with twin lens kit). Oly too uses excessive NR. Lenses are also not that good on it's P&S cameras..

And Samsung..

Well. These have potenial but...

E.g. None of these have optical-image stabilization. PP is also an issue. These have good movie mode though and are well built. NV series has good options. e.g.



For Canon G9 everything isclear .

Yes. But it is costly. That much price makes one tantelizingly close to entry level DSLRs (if size is not an issue).Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #16

Size... Hm... Well, I don't want it to be as big as DSLR.... Something big as Sony DSC H50 or Panasonic FZ50 will be ok... It can be smaller, but bigger no  Now I have Sony DSC P200 and somehow I am a little bit partial to Sony... But H50, H10 etc. all have small sensor size (like 1/2.3, 1/2.5....)Best regards,Diana (Diddi)..

Comment #17

Although these have small sensors, but only in size. Larger sensors (e.g. 1/1.7" etc.) are coming with much more pixels to nullify any notional gain (as pixel size remains essentially same). At such small difference in pixel sizes (factor of less than 2), the size tells you only 20% of story. Other more significant factors are: Lens quality (fuzzy image will be destroyed by compression & NR), compression algorithms (that is why Raw is important in P&S), NR methods, data read noise, image-stabilization (who wants blurry images?.

Among Sony consider only H50 as it only (from Sony) has option of dialling down noise-reduction..

Diddi wrote:.

Size... Hm... Well, I don't want it to be as big as DSLR....Something big as Sony DSC H50 or Panasonic FZ50 will be ok... It canbe smaller, but bigger no  Now I have Sony DSC P200 and somehow Iam a little bit partial to Sony... But H50, H10 etc. all have smallsensor size (like 1/2.3, 1/2.5....)Best regards,Diana (Diddi).

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612..

Comment #18

Thank you once again .

May be later on when I choose few cameras I will ask you again which one would be the better choice Best regards,Diana (Diddi)..

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