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Used vs New Camera
Hi,.

I am planning to buy my first DSLR. Since I dont have much cash I'm planning to buy a used camera (NikonD70 or Canon300D). I have the following doubts:.

1. D70 has min ISO of 200. does that in any way limit day time shooting? AFAIK high ISO is good for only low light shooting..

2. Which of the two camera's would you recommend.( both of them are around $350 for body+ the kit lens + one third party tele lens). Or wud it be better to go for new D40 for $470 at circuitcity?.

About me: I am a student with part time job. Apart from day to day I like to shoot landscape, sometimes closeup & macros and rarely long zoom shots. I have used Canon S3IS, Nikon D50(not mine) and an old film Pentax. I dont like much PP..

One problem is I read some reviews of 300d and since it is quite old I am not getting a comparison with the newer cameras..

Thanks in advance guys...

Comments (13)

I think the D70 is well advanced over the 300D. The D70s is even more advanced..

A D40 Nikon with a warranty is probably a better investment than a used digital camera several generations out of date..

ISO 200 is just fine for the vast majority of brightlight pictures..

BAK..

Comment #1

If you can find a good deal, 2nd hand is always a good way to go if you are on a budget. Just keep in mind that a 2nd hand camera might have some sensor dust and you might have to get it professionally cleaned/serviced when you first get it if it's particularly stubborn. Even with that fact though, I would personally choose a 2nd hand camera over a new one if money was a factor..

As for being limited to 200 ISO, I myself have a Pentax K100D which also has no ISO lower than 200, and have never found it to be a problem, quite the opposite in fact. I have found that the bright light performance is perfect, but the advantage of the "base ISO" being higher means that for high ISO shots (1600 ISO for example) the camera isn't amplifying the sensor signal over it's base amount as much as a camera which might have a base ISO of 100 for example, so low light performance is very good (without compromising bright light performance)...

Comment #2

Buying used is a great idea. I recently (in February) picked up a used D50 with 2 lenses and a few extras for $500. If the seller seems trustworthy, you are probably fine (after all, you know where s/he lives)..

I don't quite recall where the D50 fits on the Nikon timeline (concurrent with the D70s, I think), but it's a darn good camera, and it will serve me well for a few years at least. Lots of room for growth, and good backwards lens capability. I have no complaints about it's ISO capabilities...

Comment #3

Ok. so I guess ISO 200 is not at all a problem. And D70 is a good buy..

Anybody with a few words for the Canon 300D?.

Now for the price. The D70 kit is worth $350 and the Canon kit is $350 with a Tamron 28-200 lens. Which one is a better buy? I found the deals on craiglist..

Also regarding reliability in used deals I am thinking of checking the purchase receipt and one photo id of the seller. Do you think this is enough?.

Rocket99, can you please tell what lenses were in your deal?.

Thanks,.

Rocket99 wrote:.

Buying used is a great idea. I recently (in February) picked up aused D50 with 2 lenses and a few extras for $500. If the sellerseems trustworthy, you are probably fine (after all, you know wheres/he lives)..

I don't quite recall where the D50 fits on the Nikon timeline(concurrent with the D70s, I think), but it's a darn good camera, andit will serve me well for a few years at least. Lots of room forgrowth, and good backwards lens capability. I have no complaintsabout it's ISO capabilities...

Comment #4

As the seller to take a picture (like of today's newspaper) and email it to you..

You can then check the EXIF to see how many miles (clicks) the shutter has on it..

I'd stay away from anything much more than 20,000, since it will cost $350 to get a shutter fixedWarm regards,DOF..

Comment #5

I have a few words *against* the 300D. In short - the 350D was a massive improvement, there was great discontentment at the time the 300D was released because it was crippled. Stupid stuff like not being able to change the metering mode or AF. Horrible horrible horrible!!!! My old film Rebel G had the exact same limitations and it was really annoying on that too!.

1click wrote:.

Ok. so I guess ISO 200 is not at all a problem. And D70 is a good buy..

Anybody with a few words for the Canon 300D?.

Now for the price. The D70 kit is worth $350 and the Canon kit is$350 with a Tamron 28-200 lens. Which one is a better buy? I foundthe deals on craiglist..

Also regarding reliability in used deals I am thinking of checkingthe purchase receipt and one photo id of the seller. Do you thinkthis is enough?.

Rocket99, can you please tell what lenses were in your deal?.

Thanks,.

Rocket99 wrote:.

Buying used is a great idea. I recently (in February) picked up aused D50 with 2 lenses and a few extras for $500. If the sellerseems trustworthy, you are probably fine (after all, you know wheres/he lives)..

I don't quite recall where the D50 fits on the Nikon timeline(concurrent with the D70s, I think), but it's a darn good camera, andit will serve me well for a few years at least. Lots of room forgrowth, and good backwards lens capability. I have no complaintsabout it's ISO capabilities...

Comment #6

I just downloaded Opanda IExif, and I don't see any shutter info. Where are you getting the information from?.

Dad_of_four wrote:.

As the seller to take a picture (like of today's newspaper) and emailit to you.You can then check the EXIF to see how many miles (clicks) theshutter has on it.I'd stay away from anything much more than 20,000, since it will cost$350 to get a shutter fixedWarm regards,DOF..

Comment #7

Ony Nikon gives you that information, Canon doesn't let us see it..

As for 20,000 exposures, what's that all about?? Who says 20,000? Why not 40,000?.

Sonyad wrote:.

I just downloaded Opanda IExif, and I don't see any shutter info.Where are you getting the information from?.

Dad_of_four wrote:.

As the seller to take a picture (like of today's newspaper) and emailit to you.You can then check the EXIF to see how many miles (clicks) theshutter has on it.I'd stay away from anything much more than 20,000, since it will cost$350 to get a shutter fixedWarm regards,DOF..

Comment #8

Cjnielsen_nz wrote:.

As for 20,000 exposures, what's that all about?? Who says 20,000?Why not 40,000?.

Rumor has it the Nikon consumer dSLR has shutter rated for 50,000 clicks.Lets assume the average user gets 80,000 clicks before a $350 repair is needed..

If I were buying a used camera, I would want one that is only 1/4 of it's shutter life, not 1/2. And if you only get 50,000 clicks, you'd be better off buying new, IMVHO..

Comment #9

Thanks. I have a Minolta 5D I bought used just over a year ago, so I was just wondering...

Comment #10

I've heard of people whose shutters go at much less than 20,000, and a local company here has run up over a million clicks on a D80 on the original shutter. We simply don't know how long these things are really going to last for sure, and I'm uncomfortable telling newbies that 20,000 is some sort of magic number when I'm not sure it actually means very much..

Not to be meaning any disrespect to your opinion, of course..

Dad_of_four wrote:.

Cjnielsen_nz wrote:.

As for 20,000 exposures, what's that all about?? Who says 20,000?Why not 40,000?.

Rumor has it the Nikon consumer dSLR has shutter rated for 50,000clicks.Lets assume the average user gets 80,000 clicks before a $350 repairis needed..

If I were buying a used camera, I would want one that is only 1/4 ofits shutter life, not 1/2. And if you only get 50,000 clicks, you'dbe better off buying new, IMVHO..

Comment #11

1click wrote:.

About me: I am a student with part time job. Apart from day to day Ilike to shoot landscape, sometimes closeup & macros and rarely longzoom shots. I have used Canon S3IS, Nikon D50(not mine) and an oldfilm Pentax. I dont like much PP..

If you still have that Pentax with lenses go for Pentax. You will be able to use those lenses with great results..

Edvinas..

Comment #12

Just streched myself a bit and ordered a refurbished D40with kit lens for $429 from Adorama.I could do only so much. Hope it turns out to be a 'good' refub and not a 'problem' refub..

I appreciate you guyz helping me take a decision.Will be back with my snaps once the camera arrives..

Thank you all...

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