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Torn between Nikon and Canon
I'm current researching for my next (and first) DSLR purchase. And I'm totally torned between Nikon and Canon. I can't decide which system to buy into. I'm currently using the Fujifilm s6000fd/s6500fd. I love this camera. I love the colours that comes out of it.



I know that if I buy into Canon, I would start with a Rebel XTi. And if I buy into Nikon, I would start with the D80. Lens selection wise, I know both have a very wide range. But I have people tell me that Nikon has better and sharper "consumer" lens than Canon, that I would need to spend big bucks to get sharp "L" series lens..

I looked up the reviews of the above cameras, plus a few more here on this site. I noticed that the photo comparisons tests that the Canon seem to always do better than the Nikon in terms of noise management, detail retention, and sharpness. That seem to contradict what I was told... am I missing something?.

And like I said, I love how the colours are so vibrate with my Fuji. Seems to me that Canon is able to match that better. Photos I've seen from Nikon appear a bit too "flat" to me... and people's skin tone looks horrible. Is that just a matter of using the correct settings with the Nikon?.

Any input and opinion is greatly appreciated. Thanks~.

M.K.http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeyrpn/..

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Monkeyrpn wrote:.

And like I said, I love how the colours are so vibrate with my Fuji.Seems to me that Canon is able to match that better. Photos I've seenfrom Nikon appear a bit too "flat" to me... and people's skin tonelooks horrible. Is that just a matter of using the correct settingswith the Nikon?.

Any input and opinion is greatly appreciated. Thanks~.

Settings do make a difference. But in general the Canon CMOS sensor tends to be a bit warmer than the Nikon CCDs (D300 and D3 use different sensors, the D40x, D80 and D200 all use similar 10mp CCDs by Sony)..

Go with what you see, not with what you read. If the Canon produces images closer to what you're used to from the Fuji, then that's the camera for you..

'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'..

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Re>But I have people tell me that Nikon has better and sharper "consumer" lens than Canon, that I would need to spend big bucks to get sharp "L" series lens. <.

I can watch sports on television today and see football players tell me God helped them catch the ball. They don't know what they are talking about, either. But they are true believers..

Canon or Nikon does not matter..

It's really easy to overanalyze. The XTi and the D80 are wonderful cameras, and either one will serve you well..

BAK..

Comment #2

Monkeyrpn wrote:.

I know that if I buy into Canon, I would start with a Rebel XTi. Andif I buy into Nikon, I would start with the D80. Lens selection wise,I know both have a very wide range. But I have people tell me thatNikon has better and sharper "consumer" lens than Canon, that I wouldneed to spend big bucks to get sharp "L" series lens..

These are two separate classes......the D80 is more robust and faster than the XTi which is in a league with the Nikon D40/X. The D80 is on a par with the 30D..

Canon makes great lenses that are much less expensive than L glass, but you have to also take into account the L's are pro grade which are exceptionally sharp and built sturdier to higher standards and many are weather sealed to provide longer use and abuse..

In either case you should handle each and buy the one that has the features you want for the budget and which feels better in your hands.

Regards,Hank.

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The D80 and Canon XTI are both excellent cameras and I doubt you will feel dissapointed with either, I don't know much about Canon lenses but Nikon seem to have lenses for most needs, check out 3'd party lenses like Sigma and Tamron as well..

Also, dont forget to try both cameras in your hand before making your decision, it really makes a difference..

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Buy the camera that all your friends have so you can borrow their lenses so you can test the ones you want to buy. ..

Comment #5

I dont think you will be disappointed whichever one you choose, Both companies produce a wide range of both consumer and pro lenses and are pretty well on par with each other price wise..

You might best be able to make a decision if you know what direction your photography will take.These are my thoughtsStudio or Journalist type of work go NikonSports or Landscape go Canon.

I base this on my observations of watching TV news and current affairs, the Majority of journalists have NikonsBut when it comes to sports everyone uses Canon.The technicalities of why elude me but thats how it seems to me...

Comment #6

Solo1 wrote:.

But when it comes to sports everyone uses Canon.The technicalities of why elude me but thats how it seems to me..

I remember reading a long thread regarding the majority of white lenses at an NFL game. One of many replies from a Nikon owner said it was due to Canon's long standing Customer Service support of the needs of the pro photographers where Nikon's support was lacking severely.Regards,Hank.

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The "technicality of why" is primarily a situation that occurred over ten years ago where Canon abandoned it's customers and produced a new AF that required a different mount. Nikon, as the far more popular brand, stuck with it's customers and made sure it's new bodies accepted old lenses..

For a while, this gave Canon an AF advantage and this was great for sports. Since media only go with one brand each, Canon became popular for sports and as Canon hasn't dropped it's backward compatibility again since, there has been no good reason to switch back and buy all new lenses again in this age of extremely tight, and decreasing, media budgets..

Nowadays it depends on each model as to which as the best AF. The latest Canon pro sports body has major AF problems, for example..

Anyway, right now it looks like Nikon holds all the cards again and is set for several years ahead in it's customary position at the top of the pro SLR body market, which Canon occupied for 2006 and 2007 while Nikon didn't release a replacement for it's flagship model. Now it has...

Comment #8

As I said it's only an opinion I gained because I take notice of what Cameras people use..

I also believe from visiting the Nikon SLR Lens forum that Canon have more desireable product range in the long zooms with image stabilisation but as always next year the pendulum will probably swing back to Nikon..

Both produce great Camera's and Lenses and I guess it's what suits you at the time of purchase...

Comment #9

I also like more the straight-from-camera images that Canon produces..

But I do prefer a lot more how the D80 fits my hand, how better built it feels, having 2 dials (one for shutter another for apperture) instead of just one and some other things (apparently Nikon's mettering system is the best ever and flash performance is better).OTOH top Canon lenses are cheaper than the top Nikons..

Bottom line: I'd go for the D80..

(I'm a Sony A700 owner, but got no problem saying good things about the other trends )..

Comment #10

Martin Caie wrote:.

The "technicality of why" is primarily a situation that occurred overten years ago where Canon abandoned it's customers and produced a newAF that required a different mount. Nikon, as the far more popularbrand, stuck with it's customers and made sure it's new bodies acceptedold lenses..

Try more like 25 years ago.not 10!.

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

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Comment #11

I've obviously confused at least one person - the changeover occurred in the 1990s, but the introduction of the new Canon system was in the 1980s..

If you read my entire post it would be more accurate than just the bit you quoted, but the wording wasn't ideal, sorry...

Comment #12

Hi,The 40D is not much more than the D80 and is a fantastic camera.PJT..

Comment #13

Thank you for all of your input. You've all been a great help. I think I'm leaning more to Canon now... but like you all say, I really need to handle both cameras to sure 100%. I guess I'll go to a locate rental store and rent one or the other for a weekend and try them out..

One more question, which system would cost more overall in terms of all the lens and accessories in the long run? Or is it a retorical question? haha. Thanks anyway guys~.

M.K.http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeyrpn/..

Comment #14

At our level No brainerCanon. The lens availability is astonishing IMHO.PJT..

Comment #15

Monkeyrpn wrote:.

Thank you for all of your input. You've all been a great help. Ithink I'm leaning more to Canon now... but like you all say, I reallyneed to handle both cameras to sure 100%. I guess I'll go to a locaterental store and rent one or the other for a weekend and try them out..

Yes, as several people have said, the biggest and most important differences is the size/shape/feel of the cameras. The XTi is tiny...the D80 is larger. Most people like the D80 feel. But as you have been told, the XTi is not in the same "class" as the D80..

One more question, which system would cost more overall in terms ofall the lens and accessories in the long run?.

Both will cost too much!.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #16

I found this article really helpful in researching my first DSLR. despite being a few months out of date. [I eventually got the 400D/XTi]. It's good background, general manufacturer info, to add to info you will probably already have. Ignore any obvious bits in the first paragraphs - it gets better:.

Http://www.visualartphotography.co.uk/section54446_9100.html..

Comment #17

Buy a Fuji S5 Pro and get the DSLR benefits and keep your Fuji colors. The extra $300 over a 40D won't be huge in the grand scheme of things. Additionally, I have had extensive experience with both Canon and Nikon/Fuji systems and if you use flash a lot IMO there is no comparison. They quality of exposure as well as build quality of the Nikon flash system is vastly superior. I know no Canon pros personally who are anything but frustrated with their speedlights...

Comment #18

I just go through a lot pictures online with EXIF info (camera and lense used)..

I think you were already leaning toward canon. You know the deal with a camera continuous shooting, reloading with powder, loading another bowl and firing it takes time. Also the detonation makes a lot of noise. compare shutter release noise between the two cameras. play the sound sample see if you are gun shy and/or if your horse is. For mounted photographs quiet release is important..

Here are the continuous shooting numbers:Xti 3.0 fps, 27 JPEG or 10 RAW framesD80 3 fps, up to 23 JPEG, 6 NEF images.

Enjoy your camera in your next campaign...

Comment #19

Somewhere on this forum are the figures that show that Nikon support currently gives the greater customer satifaction. Canon were only slightly behind..

The post you were refering to was for pro support which has different requirements.There was definetly a period when canon were looking after working sports pros very very well and is one of many reasons they came to dominate that market. If you read current threads on CPS support that is not the feeling you get now. NPS also gets very mixed reviews, my own experiance is very good..

I would back up what many have said, try each camera and go with the one that feels the best for you. The quality of all these dslr's are outstanding. The lenses offered by both companies cover all needs. The comparisons are a bit like car speeds 0-60mph 0.1 second differance, irrelevant to most drivers especialy as very few have the skill to extract that degree of performance. More important is how at ease you are as the driver..

Tony..

Comment #20

SMPhoto wrote:.

Buy a Fuji S5 Pro and get the DSLR benefits and keep your Fujicolors. The extra $300 over a 40D won't be huge in the grand schemeof things. Additionally, I have had extensive experience with bothCanon and Nikon/Fuji systems and if you use flash a lot IMO there isno comparison. They quality of exposure as well as build quality ofthe Nikon flash system is vastly superior. I know no Canon prospersonally who are anything but frustrated with their speedlights..

SMPhoto, you know what? I might just look into that option! At first glance, I put off the Fuji DSLR possibility because of the high priced S5 Pro body. But since the S5 Pro is basically a Nikon D200 body... does that mean it is compatible with all the Nikon lenses? My dad has a couple of old Nikon lens from is SLR days... and he just bought a D40x with the AF-S/AF-I lens, will these be compatible too?.

M.K.http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeyrpn/..

Comment #21

If your father has existing lenses (are they high level or just run in the mill), and , have a good relationship with him and live close, then game over!.

By the way, your question is like asking which Porsche base model is better on a circuit. I would say the limitation of the driver is really this issue, therefore buy what you litterally "feel" you prefer! After all, there is a reason Canon and Nikon co-exist, and it is not that one make is better than the other...

Comment #22

I like being different from everyone else (I have Olympus while all of my friends have Canon's or Nikon's)..

That way I don't have to worry about loaning them any of my lenses or flash units!.

LOL!.

J. D.Colorful Colorado.

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Comment #23

Absolutely. There is no difference in lens or flash support between the Fuji S5 and the Nikon D200. I use Nikon 28-70 2.8, 80-200 2.8 ED, 50 1.8 and 18-200VR and SB800 flash with my S5 all with great results. IMO if you plan on making enlargements over 16x20 (I have made beautiful 16x20s) or doing 8x10s+ with extreme crops, or are shooting sports then look at a D300. Otherwise in all the cameras I have used (Canon pro dslrs, Nikon, oly and Fuji) no camera I have used can produce images that can compete with the S5 at reasonable enlargement sizes. You have to accept that it is a 6mp camera, but an AMAZINGLY good 6mp camera.

It has a knack of taking all the beauty in a scene and bring it out and even enhancing it...

Comment #24

Nice shot on the sig. That is the kind of sky that makes me nearly wreck my truck trying to pull over and ge the camera out in time...

Comment #25

Monkeyrpn wrote:.

I'm current researching for my next (and first) DSLR purchase. AndI'm totally torned between Nikon and Canon. I can't decide whichsystem to buy into. > Any input and opinion is greatly appreciated. Thanks~MK.

Thanks to another thread, I came across the following page, which gave another take to the Canon/Nikon debate I hadn't heard of before. (Scroll down to the section headed: Auto Iso..

Http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/modern-exposure.htm..

Comment #26

I am in the same boat you are and I am leaning toward the D80. I don't know if it matters to you but the kit lens with the Rebel Xti has gotten terrible reviews. On the other hand the D80's kit lens (18-55mm ED II)has been highly rated by most sites I've reviewed. Most sites want to sell you a kit so why not get a lens that is decent with it?..

Comment #27

BeccaS wrote:.

I am in the same boat you are and I am leaning toward the D80. Idon't know if it matters to you but the kit lens with the Rebel Xtihas gotten terrible reviews. On the other hand the D80's kit lens(18-55mm ED II)has been highly rated by most sites I've reviewed.Most sites want to sell you a kit so why not get a lens that isdecent with it?.

Good point. If you go with Canon, you should get the 17-85IS or the new 18-55IS. The old non-IS 18-55 is not well-regarded. 17-85 is a very handy range. Nikon offers an even handier 18-135, though without IS/VR. Nikon is also coming out with an 18-55VR...

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Monkeyrpn wrote:.

Any input and opinion is greatly appreciated. Thanks~.

Http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/notcamera.htm..

Comment #29

The choice is easy..

Just handle the 2 cameras and look through their viewfinders..

Noise might be a bit better on the Canon, but that is mostly irrelevant. What matters it the pleasure of taking pictures, and that is overall mostly driven by the quality of the intrface and viewfinder..

The D80 is clearly in a different league. Its competition in the Canon world is the 40D..

Cheers,Bernard.

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Comment #30

I would look at Pentax and Oly, too. Oly has the 2 zoom kit. If you want to get more good glass, especially fixed focal length, go Pentax. The K100D Super after $100 rebate is a steal. Put a DA21 or DA40 on it and it will fit in a large pocket. Stabilization is built in to the body and it has a clean ISO 1600...

Comment #31

Before you jump, you should note that Canon just introduced a successor to the XTi and Nikon is rumored to have a new consumer body up it's sleeve..

Canon may have an advantage in high-ISO performance. Canon also has a medium priced full-frame body (5D) with amazing high-ISO performance. Moving way up-scale, they offer the $8000 1DsMk3, which is far beyond even the Nikon D3..

Nikon has 18-135 and 18-200 lenses. Canon does not, even though they do make equivalent ones for full-frame. Not only is Nikon's flash system better, it's less expensive..

They're both great systems. I chose Nikon for the ergonomics, the quality of the kit lenses, and the flash system..

What do you photograph? That could help us advise you...

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