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Too late to join the 'CULT OF D40'?
I'm just approaching the time when I can spend some money on a new camera. My 5 year old Powershot G3 is on the blink. Before that I had an old faithful Cannon AE-1 (still working) plus a cheap and cheerful zoom..

When I bought the G3 DSLRs were not an option - I'm just a (very) amateur photographer but I became familiar with the workings of my old SLR and loved the great prints that were produced..

Now I have a chance to replicate the combination of good value and good prints with a digital SLR in the form of the D40 + the 55-200 VR lens which will cost me less than 400 for both..

I was all fired up after finding Ken Rockwell's site but I have since seen the post that recommend taking his views with a certain pinch of salt. I'm just a little concerned that the D40 is nearly 2 year old technology and the rate thing are moving on I'm not sure if I should spend that 400 on a new super-zoom..

Will the D40 + 55-200 VR lens still have better IQ than a current-technology super-zoom?.

Or maybe I should spend it on say the D60 or even the new Canon 1000D and then save up for a zoom later..

My main priority is just the quality of the images (on screen and on say 7"x5" prints with the occasional larger print to frame) and I'm not too worried about the bells and whistles (although I feel nervous about the whole dust-on-sensor thing - so I'm tempted by anti-dust)..

Any thoughts/advice/reassurances welcome...

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I'd stick with the D40 over the D60. It's a great camera out of the box and you'll have fun with that zoom lens. It's very sharp..

Cheers, Craig..

Comment #1

Bascule wrote:.

Now I have a chance to replicate the combination of good value andgood prints with a digital SLR in the form of the D40 + the 55-200 VRlens which will cost me less than 400 for both..

I suppose you also plan to take the wide "kit" lens, the 18-55, right?.

I'm just a little concerned that the D40 is nearly 2 year oldtechnology and the rate thing are moving on I'm not sure if I shouldspend that 400 on a new super-zoom..

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the D40 or it's technology. What you read on the net about "old camera", "change your camera", "cameras get old in 2 years" - Rockwell says that, btw -is utter nonsense. Many users here still have their trusty D50 and D70 (4 year old cameras) that produce stunning images..

Will the D40 + 55-200 VR lens still have better IQ than acurrent-technology super-zoom?.

100 times better in daylight conditions, 100000 times better in low-light.

Or maybe I should spend it on say the D60 or even the new Canon 1000Dand then save up for a zoom later..

Nop. If you want a Canon that's another thing, or if you don't want to get a tele right away. But there's no reason to go for the more expensive D60 (or a more expensive Canon). It's exactly the same thing in all aspects that matter, only more expensive.

My main priority is just the quality of the images (on screen and onsay 7"x5" prints with the occasional larger print to frame) and I'mnot too worried about the bells and whistles (although I feel nervousabout the whole dust-on-sensor thing - so I'm tempted by anti-dust)..

I've made 20x30" prints with my D40 and they look gorgeous on my wall .

About dust-on-sensor, is yet another gimmick by the companies who try to sell needless stuff to innocent buyers. I'm changing lenses every day on my D40, I've cleaned my sensor just once, with a blower (and that time just because I wanted to try it, really), and although I know there's a dust particle on my sensor (I can make it visible if I want to, by shooting @ f/22 against a blue sky), it doesn't appear in my everyday photos. Visit my gallery and look at my images. Tell me where you can see the dust..

Is the anti-dust useful? Well, I suppose it doesn't hurt to have. But that doesn't mean you WON'T have dust problems just because of that (there's people who haven't change lenses on their D60, not once, and still can see dust) or that it's a deal breaker that the D40 doesn't have it.

Bottom line:.

BE SMART and spend as little as possible on the camera (get the D40) and save the money for lenses or flash..

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Comment #2

Thanks for the comprehensive reply - very reassuring..

And yes, I do intend getting the camera with the 18-55 kit lens...

Comment #3

The D40 twin-lens kit is excellent value and will blow away any compact, especially in low light. Go for it.Best wishesMike..

Comment #4

No, but why lower yourself to a lay cult member? .

The D40 is a wonderful camera, but it's just a camera....

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Comment #5

Chuxter wrote:.

The D40 is a wonderful camera, but it's just a camera....

Indeed - though I get the impression "just a camera" would be considered heresy by many cult members! Anyway, it does seem to be a much-loved camera which is a good sign...

Comment #6

Just spotted this too - A glowing review that's NOT from last year. In fact it's from today! Also reassuring..

Http://www.reghardware.co.uk/.../2008/07/10/review_nikon_d40_dlsr/page5.html..

Comment #7

Ancient_Mariner wrote:.

Bascule wrote:.

My main priority is just the quality of the images (on screen and onsay 7"x5" prints with the occasional larger print to frame) and I'mnot too worried about the bells and whistles (although I feel nervousabout the whole dust-on-sensor thing - so I'm tempted by anti-dust)..

I've made 20x30" prints with my D40 and they look gorgeous on my wall .

About dust-on-sensor, is yet another gimmick by the companies who tryto sell needless stuff to innocent buyers. I'm changing lenses everyday on my D40, I've cleaned my sensor just once, with a blower (andthat time just because I wanted to try it, really), and although Iknow there's a dust particle on my sensor (I can make it visible if Iwant to, by shooting @ f/22 against a blue sky), it doesn't appear inmy everyday photos. Visit my gallery and look at my images. Tell mewhere you can see the dust..

Is the anti-dust useful? Well, I suppose it doesn't hurt to have. Butthat doesn't mean you WON'T have dust problems just because of that(there's people who haven't change lenses on their D60, not once, andstill can see dust) or that it's a deal breaker that the D40 doesn'thave it.

FYI AM.

I was at the local camera repair shop the other day picking up a Nikon film camera and while checking out (about 5 minutes) there were 3 people checking in Nikon cameras for sensor cleaning. Per my clerk, cleaning sensors is a large part of their business..

To Bascule,.

Go to a shop and hold cameras with the lenses you want to see how the cameras operate. Change settings while shooting to see what you like. If you liked the logic of your last camera's menus I would think about staying with the brand. Learning new menu systems is a pain..

I jumped to a D2X from film Nikons and hated it. I have a fair amount of Nikon glass and haven't found a digital Nikon I like to operate. So now I have two lens systems one for film and one for digital..

As to dust prevention I think Olympus's system is effective. Don't know about the Canon's..

Just about any dslr will meet you wants both new and used so pick the one you like not the one others like..

REd..

Comment #8

Red13 wrote:.

FYI AMI was at the local camera repair shop the other day picking up aNikon film camera and while checking out (about 5 minutes) there were3 people checking in Nikon cameras for sensor cleaning. Per myclerk, cleaning sensors is a large part of their business..

I don't deny that, but simply because people are TAUGHT that dust spots are the big boogie man, and take their cameras for cleaning simply because they can see a tiny spot against a blue sky @ f/32, it doesn't mean that a camera with an active anti-dust system has a huge advantage versus one that doesn't..

Heck, I was working with some macros today, taken @ f/32. I noticed one spot (missed two more, btw, saw them only after uploading them) against a completely orange background. Guess how much time it took to fix in Photoshop? 3 seconds. 1 to click on the "clone" tool and 2 to click on the image..

Image control:Zoom outZoom 100%Zoom inExpand AllOpen in new window.

Http://www.flickr.com/photos/96953368@N00/..

Comment #9

Bascule wrote:.

Chuxter wrote:.

The D40 is a wonderful camera, but it's just a camera....

Indeed - though I get the impression "just a camera" would beconsidered heresy by many cult members!.

I dunow? I suspect calling their church a "cult" is as bad as calling their object of worship "just a statue"... .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #10

It would be in you best interest to go to a store and hold/review/play with all the cameras in your price range. at his point in time the there are newer cameras available with more features & mp that will outperform the d40 for same money. you can also get 2 lens kits of better lenses for the say money from other manufacturer's. the d40 is a solid performer as has been extolled but there are potentially better ways to spend your money and get more value/performance for the same money..

Regardless you should not buy a camera without reviewing it in had.....

Comment #11

I use a D40 with kit lens and 55-200VR and love it. I am new to photography and get great pics all the time...

Comment #12

Peavyt15 wrote:.

I use a D40 with kit lens and 55-200VR and love it. I am new tophotography and get great pics all the time..

I use an Oly e1/e510 and e300 and get great pictures all the time. statements like that really have no useful point anymore than that one just did. Any of the cameras available for d40 money will take great pics all the time which is the point... any of them are good choices depending on the OP's criteria/comfort/understanding as long as the OP takes the time to review each fully before buying for their pro's/con's..

You can find anyone to rationalize a decision here 99.99% of the time..

Comment #13

Freealfas wrote:.

It would be in you best interest to go to a store andhold/review/play with all the cameras in your price range. at hispoint in time the there are newer cameras available with morefeatures & mp that will outperform the d40 for same money. you canalso get 2 lens kits of better lenses for the say money from othermanufacturer's. the d40 is a solid performer as has been extolledbut there are potentially better ways to spend your money and getmore value/performance for the same money..

Thanks for the advice. I'd be interested to know what other manufacturers do similar twin lens kits. I can't seem to get the D40 with the 18-55 and the 55-200 VR as a twin lens kit in the UK but buying the camera with the 18-55 kit lens (around 270) and then buying the 55-200 VR separately (around 150) will still come in at less that 400 (after 40 cashback on the camera). I couldn't find anything else that could compete with that...

Comment #14

If you absolutely MUST join a cult, freealfas is right. The Oly Cult is one of the strongest and most self-richeous. .

Bascule wrote:.

Freealfas wrote:.

It would be in you best interest to go to a store andhold/review/play with all the cameras in your price range. at hispoint in time the there are newer cameras available with morefeatures & mp that will outperform the d40 for same money. you canalso get 2 lens kits of better lenses for the say money from othermanufacturer's. the d40 is a solid performer as has been extolledbut there are potentially better ways to spend your money and getmore value/performance for the same money..

Thanks for the advice. I'd be interested to know what othermanufacturers do similar twin lens kits. I can't seem to get the D40with the 18-55 and the 55-200 VR as a twin lens kit in the UK butbuying the camera with the 18-55 kit lens (around 270) and thenbuying the 55-200 VR separately (around 150) will still come in atless that 400 (after 40 cashback on the camera). I couldn't findanything else that could compete with that..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #15

Neither peavyt15 nor freealfas take great pix all the time. However, cult doctrine does not allow them to tell the truth about this. .

Freealfas wrote:.

Peavyt15 wrote:.

I use a D40 with kit lens and 55-200VR and love it. I am new tophotography and get great pics all the time..

I use an Oly e1/e510 and e300 and get great pictures all the time.statements like that really have no useful point anymore than thatone just did. Any of the cameras available for d40 money will takegreat pics all the time which is the point... any of them are goodchoices depending on the OP's criteria/comfort/understanding as longas the OP takes the time to review each fully before buying for theirpro's/con's..

You can find anyone to rationalize a decision here 99.99% of the time.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #16

Chuxter wrote:.

If you absolutely MUST join a cult, freealfas is right. The Oly Cultis one of the strongest and most self-richeous. .

Bascule wrote:.

Freealfas wrote:.

It would be in you best interest to go to a store andhold/review/play with all the cameras in your price range. at hispoint in time the there are newer cameras available with morefeatures & mp that will outperform the d40 for same money. you canalso get 2 lens kits of better lenses for the say money from othermanufacturer's. the d40 is a solid performer as has been extolledbut there are potentially better ways to spend your money and getmore value/performance for the same money..

Thanks for the advice. I'd be interested to know what othermanufacturers do similar twin lens kits. I can't seem to get the D40with the 18-55 and the 55-200 VR as a twin lens kit in the UK butbuying the camera with the 18-55 kit lens (around 270) and thenbuying the 55-200 VR separately (around 150) will still come in atless that 400 (after 40 cashback on the camera). I couldn't findanything else that could compete with that..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'.

And the problem with suggesting to review ALL of the options in hand before buying is what exactly? talk about a cult drinking the purple koolaid... the d40 walks on water around here..

I guess it's simply better to take the advice of people you don't know as opposed to seeing all that is available out there and making an informed decision regardless as it seems you would have it...

Comment #17

Others worth considering for similar money;.

Http://www.amazon.co.uk/...F8&s=electronics&qid=1215784504&sr=8-1.

Http://www.amazon.co.uk/...F8&s=electronics&qid=1215784679&sr=1-7.

Http://www.amazon.co.uk/...F8&s=electronics&qid=1215784799&sr=1-6.

Albeit single lens kit.

Http://www.amazon.co.uk/...F8&s=electronics&qid=1215784750&sr=1-1..

Comment #18

Freealfas wrote:.

Others worth considering for similar money;.

Http://www.amazon.co.uk/...F8&s=electronics&qid=1215784504&sr=8-1.

Http://www.amazon.co.uk/...F8&s=electronics&qid=1215784679&sr=1-7.

Http://www.amazon.co.uk/...F8&s=electronics&qid=1215784799&sr=1-6.

Albeit single lens kit.

Http://www.amazon.co.uk/...F8&s=electronics&qid=1215784750&sr=1-1.

*SIGH* decisions, decisions!..

Comment #19

Bascule wrote:.

*SIGH* decisions, decisions!.

The best part is there is no wrong answer only the one you deem right is the one to buy regardless of what anybody says here in this forum or anywhere..

Even if you buy the d40 it's good to go through the exercise of reviewing them all in hand and for features/value. go to flickr and do a picture search for each camera you want to consider and if you like the images of one over the rest use that for buying criteria as well..

Another consideration, IS, buy it once with in body or over and over with each lens you consider...yet another thought to it all....

In-lens IS.

Canon - great high ISOnikon - good all arounder.

In-body IS.

Olympus - great kit lenses and value/featurespentax - great selection of primessony - nice feature set.

Don't be afraid to buy any of them as they are all quite capable of doing what you want....

Good luck, whatever feels best in hand is a much a reason to buy one vs. the other as any...

Comment #20

Freealfas wrote:.

Chuxter wrote:.

If you absolutely MUST join a cult, freealfas is right. The Oly Cultis one of the strongest and most self-richeous. .

Bascule wrote:.

Freealfas wrote:.

It would be in you best interest to go to a store andhold/review/play with all the cameras in your price range. at hispoint in time the there are newer cameras available with morefeatures & mp that will outperform the d40 for same money. you canalso get 2 lens kits of better lenses for the say money from othermanufacturer's. the d40 is a solid performer as has been extolledbut there are potentially better ways to spend your money and getmore value/performance for the same money..

Thanks for the advice. I'd be interested to know what othermanufacturers do similar twin lens kits. I can't seem to get the D40with the 18-55 and the 55-200 VR as a twin lens kit in the UK butbuying the camera with the 18-55 kit lens (around 270) and thenbuying the 55-200 VR separately (around 150) will still come in atless that 400 (after 40 cashback on the camera). I couldn't findanything else that could compete with that..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'.

And the problem with suggesting to review ALL of the options in handbefore buying is what exactly? talk about a cult drinking the purplekoolaid... the d40 walks on water around here..

I guess it's simply better to take the advice of people you don'tknow as opposed to seeing all that is available out there and makingan informed decision regardless as it seems you would have it..

I can't even guess how you came to that conclusion? Whatever the answer is, I don't care....

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #21

Ancient_Mariner wrote:.

Red13 wrote:.

Blah, blah, blah dust blah, blah.

I don't deny that, but simply because people are TAUGHT that dustspots are the big boogie man, and take their cameras for cleaningsimply because they can see a tiny spot against a blue sky @ f/32, itdoesn't mean that a camera with an active anti-dust system has a hugeadvantage versus one that doesn't..

Heck, I was working with some macros today, taken @ f/32. I noticedone spot (missed two more, btw, saw them only after uploading them)against a completely orange background. Guess how much time it tookto fix in Photoshop? 3 seconds. 1 to click on the "clone" tool and 2to click on the image..

To AM.

So it seems you agree with San Diego Nikon users that dust is an issue with Nikons. Dust is one of the items the OP asked about..

I'm sorry but I don't understand what f/32 has to do with dust on the sensor. I understand why you notice spots in the sky but the f/32 is escaping me..

To the OP.

In addition to operational feel buy the camera name that makes you feel good. I have a friend who will only use Nikon cameras and he is able to capture perfectly nice images. His daughter thinks Nikons are sludge and captures perfectly nice images on Canons and so it goes..

REd..

Comment #22

Chuxter wrote:.

Freealfas wrote:.

Chuxter wrote:.

If you absolutely MUST join a cult, freealfas is right. The Oly Cultis one of the strongest and most self-richeous. .

Bascule wrote:.

Freealfas wrote:.

It would be in you best interest to go to a store andhold/review/play with all the cameras in your price range. at hispoint in time the there are newer cameras available with morefeatures & mp that will outperform the d40 for same money. you canalso get 2 lens kits of better lenses for the say money from othermanufacturer's. the d40 is a solid performer as has been extolledbut there are potentially better ways to spend your money and getmore value/performance for the same money..

Thanks for the advice. I'd be interested to know what othermanufacturers do similar twin lens kits. I can't seem to get the D40with the 18-55 and the 55-200 VR as a twin lens kit in the UK butbuying the camera with the 18-55 kit lens (around 270) and thenbuying the 55-200 VR separately (around 150) will still come in atless that 400 (after 40 cashback on the camera). I couldn't findanything else that could compete with that..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'.

And the problem with suggesting to review ALL of the options in handbefore buying is what exactly? talk about a cult drinking the purplekoolaid... the d40 walks on water around here..

I guess it's simply better to take the advice of people you don'tknow as opposed to seeing all that is available out there and makingan informed decision regardless as it seems you would have it..

I can't even guess how you came to that conclusion? Whatever theanswer is, I don't care....

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'.

LOL.. he's our trolling Oly fanboy..

Cheers, Craig..

Comment #23

Red13 wrote:.

Ancient_Mariner wrote:.

Heck, I was working with some macros today, taken @ f/32. I noticedone spot....

To AMSo it seems you agree with San Diego Nikon users that dust is anissue with Nikons. Dust is one of the items the OP asked about..

Dust is an issue with cameras. Regardless of the brand or the design, all cameras WILL get a dust spot. Often, the user doesn't notice and concludes that magic has solved the dust problem for their brand/model. Duh!.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what f/32 has to do with dust on thesensor. I understand why you notice spots in the sky but the f/32 isescaping me..

If the lens is set at a large aperture (small f/#), the light hitting the sensor is the opposite of collimated (perhaps difuse is the correct term). By that, I mean that the beams of light are NOT parallel. Thus, they go around the dust particles and they are invisible..

In contrast, if you set a lens to have a very small aperture (high f/#), the dust particles are imaged on the sensor..

If you have fast lenses and always use them wide open, you'll prolly never have a dust problem..

To the OPIn addition to operational feel buy the camera name that makes youfeel good. I have a friend who will only use Nikon cameras and he isable to capture perfectly nice images. His daughter thinks Nikonsare sludge and captures perfectly nice images on Canons and so itgoes..

It's not necessary to be brand-centric to take nice images. Some (smart) people are very neutral about brands. I'm not too smart, I guess, since I can be sucked into a "discussion" when an idiot mis-states a fact..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #24

Guidenet wrote:.

LOL.. he's our trolling Oly fanboy..

Please SPECIFICALLY point out the trolling in this thread please. further, show me where the Oly troll is warranted in this thread and others as of late...

Comment #25

Are you saying that the dust doesn't cast a shadow when the aperture is large? Such as in an office with banks of lights shadows are less dark..

If so isn't the size of the shadow larger if less noticable?.

Thanks for the explanation earlier..

REd..

Comment #26

If your output is 5x7" prints the Nikon D40 or Pentax K100D will do fine. Actually they'll do 8x12" (maybe larger depending on shooting technique, subject matter, and quality of printing). Possibly better than newer more expensive models. The reasoning is that both bodies use the same/similar 6 MP sensor. 6 MP is more than enough for web output or 5x7 prints..

The advantage of a lower MP count is lower pixel density on the sensor. This means better performance in low light, all other things being equal..

If the D40 feels good in your hands and has the features you need don't worry about it being last years model. I would however ask about the warranty you get, especially if it's a used camera..

PS: If you're going to join a cult, join the right one for you ..

Comment #27

Get a Giottos Rocket Blower. Accept no substitute, repeat accept no substitute. I prefer medium size but they come in small and large size too. You can use the blower to blow dust off of your lenses or sensor. The GIottos a) has a filter when it draws in air so it doesn't spit dust out the blower end, b) is clean inside such that it doesn't have little rubber particles that will spit out the blower end..

Here's an example of one on B&H's site.

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...545-REG/Giottos_AA1910_Rocket_Air_Blower_.html.

No matter which brand of camera you get, including Olympus you may eventually need to wet clean the sensor. Even the best sensor shaking (I'll give this one to Oly) will not get a dried wet spot or oily spot off the sensor. When, not if, that happens you'll want to wet clean the sensor. You can have a professional do it for you, or you can buy a cleaning kit and do it yourself if you're careful. Sensor cleaning is beyond cult, it's religion, and I won't go there...

Comment #28

Red13 wrote:.

To AMSo it seems you agree with San Diego Nikon users that dust is anissue with Nikons. Dust is one of the items the OP asked about..

I NEVER said that. It's your own conclusion. I consider Nikons very dust resistant.

I'm sorry but I don't understand what f/32 has to do with dust on thesensor. I understand why you notice spots in the sky but the f/32 isescaping me..

Without getting too technical, let's say in larger apertures (f number <16) the spots blur and become less opaque.

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Comment #29

Freealfas wrote:.

Guidenet wrote:.

LOL.. he's our trolling Oly fanboy..

Please SPECIFICALLY point out the trolling in this thread please.further, show me where the Oly troll is warranted in this thread andothers as of late..

Ahhh, that was an affectionate phrase for you. You're alright even if you use a camera that's not quite a Nikon. LOL.

Cheers, Craig..

Comment #30

Well, I will try and get some hands-on with those cameras..

I had 5 mins yesterday to pop into my local Jessops and have a quick look at the D40. The first thing that struck me was that the view through the view finder was not nearly big and clear as the view in my old Cannon AE-1. Looking through the AE-1 it much nicer. But I believe the Nikon is quite good as far as the view-finder is concerned at this price point. Is that correct?..

Comment #31

Red13 wrote:.

Are you saying that the dust doesn't cast a shadow when the apertureis large? Such as in an office with banks of lights shadows are lessdark..

If so isn't the size of the shadow larger if less noticable?.

Yes, that's a good way to put it. Also, some cameras locate the filter farther from the sensor, which also blurs the shadows further..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #32

Its a well sorted and thought through camera that delivers good results for the money in conjunction with the lenses you are talking about. The metering is reliable (and easy to compensate when you need to) and tends not to blow highlights which helps if you are relatively new to DSLR's.Shay son of Che..

Comment #33

Bascule wrote:.

But Ibelieve the Nikon is quite good as far as the view-finder isconcerned at this price point. Is that correct?.

That's the point, review all of them for yourself in a store to make your own decisions regarding any of the points that are crucial to you....

I've picked my kit as have most of the rest which really should not matter to you, now it's your turn to buy what YOU like and are comfortable with even if it is a nikon...(LOL).

That last part was a friendly jibe at some of the other poster's around here... buy the nikon if that's what YOU want and most of all enjoy whatever you buy......

Comment #34

Bascule,.

Nikon have improved their casback offers, which also include offers for twin lens purchases with the D40 or D60..

D40 + 1 lens - 40 CashbackD40 + 2 lenses - 60 CashbackD60 + 1 lens - 60 CashbackD60 + 2 lenses - 90 Cashback.

Http://www.nikon.co.uk/sites/cashback/summer2008_buy.html.

Take note of the condition that the camera and lens(es) have to be made in a single purchase (although not necesarily a twin lens 'kit')..

The lenses you are talking about are very good performing lenses at their price point..

You can get very good deals online - Amazon is as good a place to start as any. I've also found a Mifsuds very helpful - a 'bricks 'n' mortar' UK camera store with a competitive online presence with helpful telephone ordering if you want..

As far as dust is concerned, it's not a big issue provided you take reasonable care when changing lenses. You will occasionally get dust on the sensor with ANY DSLR (maybe less frequently with cameras with in built cleaning systems) but it's not really a big issue - blowers will normally remove any dust that you do get on the sensor and you can remove any blemishes in shots very easily in any photo editing software..

If dust still concerns you, of course consider the D60 - the improved cashback offers may make it viable - and you'll also get the benefits of the stabilised VR 18-55 kit lens. The Active D-Lighting feature is also a real plus over the D40..

However the D40 is a great camera in it's own right and you may want to save the additional cost of the D60 and put the money towards something like a flash - the SB400 is a great addition - perfect for the D40/60 if you don't need the sophistication of the higher-end Speedlights..

One of the most important things to me in a DSLR is the viewfinder, and as you've noted they're smaller than your faithfull AE-1. You're also right in thinking that at this price point the Nikons do pretty well for size and brightness. I came from an EOS 3 (the film one - not the upgrade to the 5D that is constantly being rumoured!!) and although I missed the brilliant viewfinder of the EOS 3 at first, I soon get used to it. Today's DSLR viewfinders are much better than they used to be. There's nothing like a FF viewfinder though .

Check out the following page for a convenient comparison of DSLR viewfinder sizes -http://www.neocamera.com/feature_viewfinder_sizes.php.

For me, the only real negative of the D40/60 models is that it only has 3 autofocus points, but this is only really a concern when tracking moving subjects where you have to be more careful in your framing to ensure focus..

(Lack of Live View is not an issue for me - only really useful for macro or studio work - others may disagree. If studio work with live view is important to you, consider that Canon supply Remote Capture software with their cameras which is unusual in this class.).

The other minus with the Nikons is the limited RAW processing supplied with the camera (View NX)You might need to consider additional software to get the RAW processing you want (if indeed you decide to shoot RAW)..

RAW processing is included in most digital workflow software you may purchase in the future (Lightroom, Aperture, Capture One etc..) which is a good idea to do if you plan on building a large image library, but that's for another discussion..

(Another plus with the D60 is that it has got the option to process RAW files in camera and does a slightly better job of it than View NX.).

I'm rambling on about the Nikons but these days Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Olympus and Sony all make excellent DSLRs (probably doesn't help you in making your mind up!!) I don't think you can go wrong in choosing any of them..

As has already been said, the best thing to do is to pop down to your local camera store and hold them in your hand and compare the cameras you're considering..

When making your choice, consider that you're buying into a 'system' - so consider what your needs are now and any future intentions you may be harbouring. Changing brands in the future can be an expensive exercise..

The last thing to say is whatever your choice I'm sure you won't be disappointed..

As good as the G3 was in it's day, you'll find the handling and performance of one of today's DSLRs SO much better (no more shutter lag!!)..

Hope I haven't gone on for too long. Don't cogitate for too long - that's the problem with these review sites!!.

Happy shoppingStewart..

Comment #35

Stewart,.

Thanks for your great reply. That's helped to distill things in my mind. Not an easy choice though. I have until pay-day to decide!..

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Also consider the Olympus E-510, at 345 for double zoom kit here:.

Http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/...em?hash=item200238347359&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1308.

Daniel..

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