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Switch from Canon 40D to Sony A200?
Hi friends. Perhaps seems a rare question, but that's are my reasons. I have a Canon 40D, for a week, and it's a fantastic camera, impressive high ISO, fastness, construction camera, visor, etc. I have a Panny FZ3 and the difference is abismal, but the Canon 40D have a minus cons for me:.

- Antialias produce images a bit "plastic" appearence, needing more postprocessing.

- Automatic modes in Canon are erratics, Autoiso is absurd, and nine points AF are useless in automatic modes. In creative modes too, I prefer central point- LCD have a low resolution, but I can live with him- I miss the stabilization, what is great in low light.

I have too a Tamron 17-50, what is a nice lens, very sharp, not cons. My problem is budget... I spent all my cash in camera and lens... I'm not a pro, I don't have many time... but I like very much this hobby. I like landscapes, portraits, indoor photos and night long exposure.

The difference in price are the half: 1000 for Canon, 600 for Sony... With 400 I can buy tripod, bag and a decent tele and perhaps a flash. I don't know if this a good movement or I will regret this decission, because every day I appreciate more IQ from Canon and perhaps with Sony I would be a bit deceived...Thanks for listening me and my apologizes for my bad english. Greetings..

Comments (17)

Today it's last day for decission.... I'm thinking in keep Canon 40D and save money, but.....

Comment #1

Many people who move 'up' to DSLR from P&S often encounter doubts about the correctness of their choice of camera in the very early days. The clearer and more detailed images from a DSLR actually highlight every little problem and your mistakes cannot be hidden so easily..

Some people think Canon images look 'plasticy' others think they look really good; indeed they would not be top sellers if there were any real problems..

By moving to Sony you would get image stabilisation on every lens because the mechanism that provides that feature is inside the camera body and not on the lens. However you will restrict your choice of lenses because although the Sony Alpha mount accepts all the old Minolta autofocus lenses, they do not have a large range of new lenses like Canon and what they do offer is expensive..

Also I don't think the flash system will be as good as Canon's (I got too many 'half-shut-eyes' on the Konica Minolta predecessor. If the system is basically the same...).

Before you change your camera, take the opportunity to handle similar models from Pentax and Olympus (with the latter, although they have the 4:3 system, the lenses are generally better)..

John.Please visit me at:http://www.pbase.com/johnfr/backtothebridgehttp://www.pbase.com/johnfr/digital_dartmoor..

Comment #2

Olympus e510 2 lens kit and the 11-22mm for wide landscape shots might fit your budget and gives you entry to Oly's great lens lineup..

The 11-22 is remarkably sharp and would serve you nicely...

Comment #3

Zoomix wrote:.

- Antialias produce images a bit "plastic" appearence, needing morepostprocessing- Automatic modes in Canon are erratics, Autoiso is absurd, and ninepoints AF are useless in automatic modes. In creative modes too, iprefer central point- LCD have a low resolution, but I can live with him- I miss the stabilization, what is great in low light.

You have a great camera, shoot with it more and learn it, switching systems is a waste if you're switching for general reasons. Other tools will have other issues (such as less dynamic range with Olympus, fewer lens options with Sony...) If there were one perfect camera, everyone would have one, and nobody would introduce other models, the more time you spend with a tool, the better you get with it..

Every post like this gets responses from brand fans who seem to need to justify their brand choices by having others make the same choice. Funnily enough, they're not posting pictures that couldn't be gotten with any other brand..

The 40D is a great camera, print out some images and enjoy them..

FWIW, the central focus point is about the worst one for good composition for most subjects..

Paulhttp://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com..

Comment #4

Paul Robertson wrote:.

Funnily enough, they're not posting pictures that couldn't be gottenwith any other brand..

Thanks for making the point... for the same money the OP can get a few lenses(including an exceptional one the 11-22 for landscapes) that allow him different shooting opportunities giving up very little in the grand scheme as with any of these cameras the differences are quite minimal. to invest in glass is always going to be a benefit over a body as they are largely disposable..

The OP doesn't like his camera for reasons he's defined, yes more time with it might resolve some of it and not others. he'd like to switch and there are very valid options out there to go to allowing him to shoot what he likes. that's not fan favorites, that's simply informing of options should they choose to use their money differently..

As for the DR comment, that's always fun fodder to throw out to incite a bit of panicI'll give up that small difference for Oly's digital lenses every day of the week. while subtle, that's a fan comment as much as any are so who's kidding who..

To the OP do what makes you happy, I'd go with an entry body and better glass than the other way around as you will notice the difference in your pictures. explore your options, there are other systems available that can serve you quite nicely as you've realized. handle them, review your budget and make up your mind what's important, the body or the lenses, IMO lenses wins vs body on the budget balance sheet, that may be different for you, ultimately buy what makes you happy regardless of the name on it...

Comment #5

Zoomix wrote:.

My problem is budget... I spent all my cash in camera and lens... I'mnot a pro, I don't have many time... but I like very much this hobby..

Well, you probably answered your own question. For the money, you can get great results from the Sony A200 and the Tamron 18-250 (I have both), which cost about the same as the Canon 40D body alone...

Comment #6

Freealfas wrote:.

Paul Robertson wrote:.

Funnily enough, they're not posting pictures that couldn't be gottenwith any other brand..

Still waiting to see those pics....

The OP doesn't like his camera for reasons he's defined, yes moretime with it might resolve some of it and not others. he'd like to.

The OP was also asking about switching to Sony until the fanboys showed up. If we're going to take the OP's words, let's take them fully and answer the question in the spirit it was asked rather than in the spirit of a brand fanboy..

Switch and there are very valid options out there to go to allowinghim to shoot what he likes. that's not fan favorites, that's simplyinforming of options should they choose to use their moneydifferently..

His question wasn't "what should I switch to?" it was "should I switch to Sony?".

As for the DR comment, that's always fun fodder to throw out toincite a bit of panicI'll give up that small difference for Oly'sdigital lenses every day of the week. while subtle, that's a fancomment as much as any are so who's kidding who..

No, it's a comment that shows that all systems have trade-offs, just as the Sony lens comment was (but of course a fanboy will only defend their particular brand.) If one particular trade-off incites "a bit of panic" then obviously that's not the right system for the panicer..

I didn't say "Canon has the best DR" or "Sony has the best DR" I simply stated the *fact* that Olympus hasn't had the same DR (until the latest high-end body) as the other manufacturers- that's a fact that's visible in every image you take that isn't a small subset of limited-range images- the OP is obviously concerned about IQ, for them it may be a factor..

I've yet to see anyone who switched brands end up with materially better pictures that weren't corner-case "this manufacturer currently is in the lead ISO-wise." Again though, I'll wait for the plethora of images you're going to point to- to hear you guys tell it, we should all be begging to trade lenses and systems in..

Paulhttp://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com..

Comment #7

You're welcome. Apart from the flash issue with the half-shut-eyes in too many people pictures, Sony would be a good idea; there is however a way around that: get Metz flashgun which has it's own thyristor control with pre-flash times that the eye cannot respond to..

It is most depressing that anti-Olympus argument has developed in your thread; you only need to "search by camera" at PBase.com to see the qualiity of images taken by all kinds of people on all kinds of camera..

Have you tried shooting RAW on your 40D and doing your own post processing, or perhaps altering the in-camera settings to produce the amount of sharpening you prefer? 40D also has a much nicer viewfinder than the Sony IMO..

John.Please visit me at:http://www.pbase.com/johnfr/backtothebridgehttp://www.pbase.com/johnfr/digital_dartmoor..

Comment #8

John farrar wrote:.

However you will restrict your choice of.

Lenses because although the Sony Alpha mount accepts all the oldMinolta autofocus lenses, they do not have a large range of newlenses like Canon and what they do offer is expensive..

That is one of my big issues with the sony system at this pointUnless you go back to the used minolta glass, there are some potentially missing lenses (e.g. If I am remembering right, the only 50mm prime from sony is an f/1.4 which is nice, but much more expensive than everybody else's 1.8. YOu could buy a used minolta for this, but nothing new)..

Also I don't think the flash system will be as good as Canon's (I gottoo many 'half-shut-eyes' on the Konica Minolta predecessor. If thesystem is basically the same...).

I havent' seen much on this (though I don't read the sony forums), I spent an afternoon at our shop trying out an A100 and sony flash (don't recall the model), the flash performance is not on par with nikon or canon. The exposures were completely erratic. Maybe 1 in 5 was right. And this was with new batteries and plenty of recovery time..

For the OP, I'm sure the sony could serve you well, but so could the Canon (and if you buy the sony, you'll probably find things you don't like about it too). It's kind of a tough call. Things like tripods, extra lenses, etc are really important (more so than the body these days) but the 40d is a nice camera, and if you take the time to learn how he works, it will serve you well...

Comment #9

If interested in flash check out this user's review..

Http://www.dpreview.com/...n_text.asp?prodkey=sony_dslra350&opinion=39664RegardsJohn...

Comment #10

John farrar wrote:.

Also I don't think the flash system will be as good as Canon's (I gottoo many 'half-shut-eyes' on the Konica Minolta predecessor. If thesystem is basically the same...).

The current crop of Sonys have fixed the flash "problem". The Sony A200 and the A700 now have faster pre-flash than previous dSLRs, so much less chance for "lazy eye" (don't know about the A300 and A350 since these use live view). I know because I have both the A100 which has the slower pre-flash and now the A200. I don't see any more lazy eyes..

The A200 is a good choice for flash...

Comment #11

Thanks for your replies friends. Finally, i've decided keep Canon 40D and growing in this system. I set Sharpness +5 in jpeg mode and i'm more happy with the results, although I discover that in RAW mode I obtain better images. I'm learning supply stabilization with High ISO (it's amazing in this camera) and exposure. Thanks everybody...

Comment #12

Zoomix wrote:.

Thanks for your replies friends. Finally, i've decided keep Canon 40Dand growing in this system. I set Sharpness +5 in jpeg mode and i'mmore happy with the results, although I discover that in RAW mode iobtain better images. I'm learning supply stabilization with High ISO(it's amazing in this camera) and exposure. Thanks everybody..

I think you made the right choice. Depending on what you're using for software, you can batch process the raw files into JPEG with something like Photoshop, and just spend extra time on the best ones processing them manually..

Don't forget to print some images to really see what the camera is capable of, the screen doesn't tell half the story..

Paulhttp://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com..

Comment #13

I think he made the right choice as well, but for different reasons. What would the store do with a returned used camera and lens? Would they sell it as new? I would not want to buy a camera used by someone else for a period of time..

I think it's ok to return defective items, but not just because you changed your mind after using it for a while, especially if the reason is that you wish to step down in price. It's not fair to the store or to another purchaser. People should use enough judgement and take the responsibility to educate themselves prior to the purchase of large ticket items...

Comment #14

Guidenet wrote:.

I think he made the right choice as well, but for different reasons.What would the store do with a returned used camera and lens? Wouldthey sell it as new? I would not want to buy a camera used by someoneelse for a period of time..

Typically, if it were an ethical store they'd sell it as used with the manufacturer taking the hit on the return. If the store has to take the hit, then they'd typically take a "restocking fee" to offset the loss or they'd just take the loss against their earnings as a cost of doing business..

Paulhttp://PaulDRobertson.imagekind.com..

Comment #15

Oh I agree with you. I'd make it a 20% restocking fee after a week, maybe a 10% within a week. Then I could sell it used and let the next guy know why he's getting a deal...

Comment #16

Well, my thought was to sell this camera in a forum. Thanks again...

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