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Starting Over: A second SLR
Since mid-summer, I'm been using a slightly defective Nikon D50 (large object in the viewfinder). For the first few months, I shot with a kit 18-55mm lens in JPEG. Gradually, I moved away from that setup to be using a full manual E-series 50mm f/1.8 shooting in RAW, mainly due to the tiny DOF and good performance in low light. Now that credit card disputes with a brooklyn camera shop have been resolved, the camera is actually mine..

Time to get rid of it, and here's why:.

1) The viewfinder object blocks the shutter speed display, which is really bad for full manual2) I've gotten several offers on craigslist at my asking price of $325 as-is.

3) Repair of the viewfinder would cost ~$150-200, and I don't want to keep using the camera in it's current state.

4) Thumbwheel is quite stiff for my likingstiffer than the D40, D80, and D200 I've tried in stores5) The 50mm is growing fungus at an alarming rate in Hawaii weather6) No support for SDHC or color histograms7) Most importantly, ISO 1600 performance isn't very good.

My budget is ~$700, plus ~$300 for selling the D50 leaving me at a grand total of ~$1000 to start over from scratch, with some degree of flexibility. For what I shoot, candids and portraits, primarily indoors, I'd like to got my hands on both a ~18-50mm f/2.8 and a 50mm f/1.4 for whatever system is the choice. This leaves somewhere around ~$500 for a body, and I'm not apposed to ebay..

I'd like to keep on shooting manual exposure, so the requirements are fairly simple. Big and bright viewfinders, IS and decent ISO 1600 are really the only "requests," but even they aren't really that important..

The choices effectively boil down to Nikon D80 (used at ~$650), Canon 400d (less than ~$550 new), Canon 30d (ebay new or used at ~$700), and the Pentax K10d (less than ~$550 new by rebate until Jan 31). I haven't really looked into the Sony A100, but from a brief glance at user comment I'm a little bit scared by the reports and bad build quality and noise. I've mainly had my heart set on the Pentax, due to a really good selection of primes and my personal expectations that they will be around for a long time to come, albeit maybe still a small company. In-body shake reduction is also a big plus. I've taken moonlight shots at ISO1600, f/1.8, 1/2". ISO 1600, F/1.4, 1/4" is pretty close to being a handheld shot with shake reduction..

Any thoughts on the issue? There are obvious reasons to go with Nikon or Canon as a brand and lineup, but I can't help but not really like their selections in primes. Especially not for the price..

Happy New Year everybody!..

Comments (9)

Hi,.

Canon 30D everytime and if you want to shoot with cheap primes get an M 42 mount adapter which will also open up the whole world of Zeiss and Leica glass.PJT..

Comment #1

In that case, why the 30d over the much cheaper XTi? M42 adaptors are available for all of the brands I mentioned, for that matter. I'm pretty much done with manual focus for nowmaybe a split prism in the future, but it might be worth spending 3-4x as much on AF glass as to not miss shots while focusing!..

Comment #2

I own a Sony/Minolta system (based around an A700) and a Pentax system (based around a K10D). I have used both significantly during the past year. While I prefer the ergonomics of the Sonolta equipment, I also reallly like my Pentax gear. I use the K10D almost exclusively with primes - the 21mm ltd, 43mm ltd and the 77mm ltd. When I want to go light, or when I need the weather seals of the K10D, I enjoy using it..

If you haven't already, go and play around with one. If you go that route, the Pentax primes with the K10D make for an enjoyable system.http://jcharding.zenfolio.com/..

Comment #3

Benplaut wrote:.

Since mid-summer, I'm been using a slightly defective Nikon D50(large object in the viewfinder). For the first few months, I shotwith a kit 18-55mm lens in JPEG. Gradually, I moved away from thatsetup to be using a full manual E-series 50mm f/1.8 shooting in RAW,mainly due to the tiny DOF and good performance in low light. Nowthat credit card disputes with a brooklyn camera shop have beenresolved, the camera is actually mine..

Time to get rid of it, and here's why:1) The viewfinder object blocks the shutter speed display, which isreally bad for full manual2) I've gotten several offers on craigslist at my asking price of$325 as-is3) Repair of the viewfinder would cost ~$150-200, and I don't want tokeep using the camera in it's current state4) Thumbwheel is quite stiff for my likingstiffer than the D40,D80, and D200 I've tried in stores5) The 50mm is growing fungus at an alarming rate in Hawaii weather6) No support for SDHC or color histograms7) Most importantly, ISO 1600 performance isn't very good.

My budget is ~$700, plus ~$300 for selling the D50 leaving me at agrand total of ~$1000 to start over from scratch, with some degree offlexibility. For what I shoot, candids and portraits, primarilyindoors, I'd like to got my hands on both a ~18-50mm f/2.8 and a 50mmf/1.4 for whatever system is the choice. This leaves somewherearound ~$500 for a body, and I'm not apposed to ebay..

I'd like to keep on shooting manual exposure, so the requirements arefairly simple. Big and bright viewfinders, IS and decent ISO 1600are really the only "requests," but even they aren't really thatimportant..

The choices effectively boil down to Nikon D80 (used at ~$650), Canon400d (less than ~$550 new), Canon 30d (ebay new or used at ~$700),and the Pentax K10d (less than ~$550 new by rebate until Jan 31). Ihaven't really looked into the Sony A100, but from a brief glance atuser comment I'm a little bit scared by the reports and bad buildquality and noise. I've mainly had my heart set on the Pentax, dueto a really good selection of primes and my personal expectationsthat they will be around for a long time to come, albeit maybe stilla small company. In-body shake reduction is also a big plus. I'vetaken moonlight shots at ISO1600, f/1.8, 1/2". ISO 1600, F/1.4, 1/4"is pretty close to being a handheld shot with shake reduction..

Any thoughts on the issue? There are obvious reasons to go withNikon or Canon as a brand and lineup, but I can't help but not reallylike their selections in primes. Especially not for the price..

Happy New Year everybody!.

Hi.

For Iso 1600 most of those cameras will not be significantly better than your d50...in my opinion the d80 and canon 400d and Pentax K10d may even be not as good. The Sony A100 is also not as good (at iso 1600) They would all be better cameras for other things though..

The Canon 30d would be a little better......no inbody shake reduction so you would have to use IS lenses....there is a new IS kit lens that is supposed to be quite good, maybe you could get that seperately..

I think you would be better of with a Nikon D40 with vr lens (not MUCH better...same sensor as the D50 just newer "surrounds").

I also think the Pentax K100d or k100d super is almost made for you...Iso 3200 is useable and inbody antishake works very well. Not as bright a viewfinder as the K10d but good enough. It is a better choice at high isos than the K10d but it has it's drawbacks (as do all cameras) ...small buffer, slightly loud shutter (some people have this as a problem), slightly slower autofocus, some wb issues (like most cameras). Basicly it's an entry level camera with a lot of features that is much better than entry level when it comes to high isos..

Having said that it too uses the same sensor as your D50....and the same as all other pentaxes so far except the k10d..

Fot high isos any 6mp Sony chip camera or 8mp Canon and some of the 10mp ones would be fine..

One last thing...there are some new cameras coming out soon...Pentax has the K20d and K200d ....should be very interesting to see what they can do with a 14mp+ apsc camera (K20d rumours)...recent advancements seem to be that noise can be reduced at large pixel counts and I can see this as only getting better..

Neil..

Comment #4

Benplaut wrote:.

In that case, why the 30d over the much cheaper XTi? M42 adaptorsare available for all of the brands I mentioned, for that matter.I'm pretty much done with manual focus for nowmaybe a split prismin the future, but it might be worth spending 3-4x as much on AFglass as to not miss shots while focusing!.

I have an XTi/400D and love it.I also have a 40D which is why my 400D is now my back up.I agree that the difference is greater to the 40D but the 30D is a much more accomplished camera IMHO.Check out the reviews on this site or FM for all the details.The really important thing though is how you feel with each camera.Go into a shop and pick them up and handle them.If you prefer the XTi then get itit is after all a fantastic camera for the money.PJT..

Comment #5

Thanks for the replies, folks..

I went over to B&H today in the freezing cold (I'm not used to this!!!) and tried out a bunch of different cameras. I'm still heavily leaning towards the K10Dfelt great in the hand, and using the two wheels plus the "green button" worked really well towards quickly getting the exposure I want. While compared to some of the other cameras the K10d is noticeably louder, it is still much quieter than my D50. I'm looking over the RAW's I took in the store, and the quality is exactly what I was expecting from every 6mp camera I tried, and exactly what I was expecting between each 10mp cameragreat after PP at ISO800, still OK at ISO1600. Slightly better from the 6mp, as would be expected..

After looking at the shots more closely in Lightroom, the noise on the two Pentaxes (K10d and K100d Super) appeared to be more visible than the others, but it was also much easier to filter out with Lightroom's built in tools, and looked much better than the others after this process..

I'm gonna buy it, unless someone gives a compelling reason not to in the next few days ..

Comment #6

Benplaut wrote:.

I'm gonna buy it, unless someone gives a compelling reason not to inthe next few days .

I'd say go for it. And, I'm a Nikon user. Neither Nikon nor Canon have IS/VR in the body or in short primes. Their f/2.8 glass is way out of your price range, so the Pentax with in-body IS sounds like the thing for you. It's not for sports, though..

I wouldn't bother with both an 18-50/2.8 and a 50/1.8..

Who was the dealer in Brooklyn?..

Comment #7

The dealer was CamerasForLess... you know, one of those template sites that appear and disappear daily. I didn't fall for it, my sister did .

I'm planning on getting the K10D body, Sigma 18-50/2.8 (non macro version), and the FA 50/1.4..

Comment #8

I think the K10D is a bargain. I almost bought one. But the noisy AF motor turned me off. Enjoy..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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