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Sony Alpha A200, Olympus E-420 or Canon XTi?
Hi,.

Last year I got interested in Landscape Photography accumulated Canon gear worth over $2,000 (Nothing in comparison what you guys own but still a bit too much for my wife) and ended up doing some soul searching. I decided as I didn't have time to go on field trips it wasn't worth keeping the gear so I cleared up my closet..

As you might imagine I miss not having a camera wife thinks I should get any P&S camera but having tried my friends Lumix FZ8 I don't think I can go back owning P&S cameras after owning Canon XTi so I am looking at purchasing cheap dSLR..

I will be mainly doing Landscape Photography. As my main criteria is cost I don't see myself purchasing any Lens other kit lens..

I am considering only Sony Alpha A200, Olympus E-420 or Canon XTi mainly as they are the only ones within my budget. Which one should I buy?.

Appreciate your help!.

Thanks...

Comments (30)

If you're looking at only a kit lens, then the obvious choice to be is the Oly 420. It's kit is superb and has edge to edge sharpness needed for scenic photography. What you loose in DOF for it's smaller sensor is also a gain for landscape use..

It's a wonderful camera, IMO, and would be my choice of all the Olympus models, but that's just me.Cheers, Craig..

Comment #1

Or possibly get the Pentax K200d which also has nice kit glass...

Comment #2

Camera N00b wrote:.

I will be mainly doing Landscape Photography. As my main criteria iscost I don't see myself purchasing any Lens other kit lens.I am considering only Sony Alpha A200, Olympus E-420 or Canon XTimainly as they are the only ones within my budget. Which one should Ibuy?.

Why not Pentax K200D with kit lens? Or Nikon D60 with VR kit lens? These will provide overall better IQ (due to in-body stabilization and good kit lenses)..

Among the three I would choose xTi body with IS kit lens. (E420 has smaller sensor so DR is bit less which is a handicap for landscape shots.)Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #3

I dont know anything about the Sony, but I !think! from what I have heard that the XTi kit lens is poor and the Olympus' is better. I have also heard much about the lovely colours it produces. But read the conclusions here and go to cameralabs, and they will help you make your decisionDaniel..

Comment #4

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Why not Pentax K200D with kit lens? Or Nikon D60 with VR kit lens?These will provide overall better IQ (due to in-body stabilizationand good kit lenses)..

You might want to be clear to a noob that the nikon does NOT have in-body IS as is implied by your statement. the pentax of the 2 you note has the better kit lens and it still stands the Oly has a better kit lens than the nikon..

Among the three I would choose xTi body with IS kit lens. (E420 hassmaller sensor so DR is bit less which is a handicap for landscapeshots.).

I would also challenge you to ILLUSTRATE with pictures from the 420 the DR issues that get thrown around as a reason not to buy it or the other oly camera's. It's easy to cite reviews. do a flickr search and see the real world results and then show us how it lacking in comparison to the other's mentioned. doing that, then you might actually have a point.....

Comment #5

Freealfas wrote:.

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Among the three I would choose xTi body with IS kit lens. (E420 hassmaller sensor so DR is bit less which is a handicap for landscapeshots.).

I would also challenge you to ILLUSTRATE with pictures from the 420the DR issues that get thrown around as a reason not to buy it or theother oly camera's. It's easy to cite reviews. do a flickr searchand see the real world results and then show us how it lacking incomparison to the other's mentioned. doing that, then you mightactually have a point....

Well a search for some good P&S camera like G9 may put to shame some of D3 photos!! SO by that logic G9 is better than D3. Is that an objective criteria?.

Landscapes normally have much more DR than the cameras can handle. So one use shadow highlight adjustments to boost up shadows after protecting the highlights by underexposing a bit. So it is desirable to have more DR in-camera to have less noisy shadows..

I have nothing against Olympus and these (E420 & 520) are excellent choices for someone who doesn't want to invest lot of money in lenses. Their kit lenses are better than the rest.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #6

Each of camera in your list is great. Matters how much you will like pushing shutter button on these cameras or complain that camera is too heavy-bulky-focushunting-inconvinien tcontrolls-bad default lens..

Since purchas of this camera is still $400+ I would advice you to buy or borrow couple small <$10 memody cards (SD and CF) go to store, and make as many shots of different subjects, moving people, items, handheld, from tripod with and without flash..

Go home, review pics. Recall how much you liked handling of each camera and make your choice..

Worst scenario - struggling in choice you will not buy the camera for another N+1 year and will miss many sweet family, vacation moments..

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Comment #7

Each brand of camera you mentioned seems to have a different philosophy and target market in mind..

Canon and Nikon are the big one and two depending on timing of a product release and model. They have something for everyone from beginner to pro and tout their wide range of products..

Olympus, Sony, and Pentax are the smaller players. Their product range is smaller but tend to focus more on the beginner to enthusiast market. The features, capabilities, and price of their offerings reflect the target market. The benefit is they don't tend to cripple their low end equipment in order to push you to higher end, higher margin equipment because they'll lose in that race..

I suspect Sony would like to be one of the big two and their recent hype is some evidence for that desire..

Beware what the person in your camera store tries to sell you, they're probably pushing a product based on the margin they make. Read the reviews on this site and become an informed consumer...

Comment #8

The differences between them is pretty minor in terms of image quality most of the time. I would go and try them out. See which one feels right to you, I think feel and fit and how you like the controls should probably be the deciding factor...

Comment #9

Sony A-200 slightly better, for landscape..

But for lanscape shooting you must buy a little wider lens(than Kit), maybe prime(not zoom).or wide-converter at least."from box"(on limited budget) - Olympus slightly better..

P.s. different processing accents in digcams , made by Sony or Olympus - attract different customer..

So maybe better - take a quick look in "Sony" or "Olympus" threads, for some examples(landscape shoots, with limited pp).

Here http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1037and herehttp://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1022..

Comment #10

Basiley wrote:.

Sony A-200 slightly better, for landscape.but for lanscape shooting you must buy a little wider lens(thanKit), maybe prime(not zoom).or wide-converter at least."from box"(on limited budget) - Olympus slightly better..

Why?.

Daniel..

Comment #11

Olympus, Sony, and Pentax are the smaller players. Their productrange is smaller but tend to focus more on the beginner to enthusiastmarket. The features, capabilities, and price of their offeringsreflect the target market. The benefit is they don't tend to crippletheir low end equipment in order to push you to higher end, highermargin equipment because they'll lose in that race..

I would also just like to clear this up, because it may not be clear to the not-so-informed..

All brands mentioned here will cover entry level DSLR's. Pentax offers DSLR's up to the enthusiasist level, and Sony and Olympus offern up to the semi-pro level. At the moment only Canon and Nikon offer professional cameras..

However, dont be limited by this. A casual photographer like yourself will not go further than enthusiasist cameras (around 700 or $1400 body only) so I dont think that the extent of the manufacturers offerings should be a factor in your buying decision..

Go to the dpreview review (or other places) of the e-420 to see the cameras compared for size, go to camera labs (take out the space) to see them compared for features, amke a table organised by the features importance to you and then spend some time in the forums of your camera. See if you like them..

Daniel..

Comment #12

Most time - more sharper landscape can be shott..

But IMO, and someone more familar with Oly ,maybe can produce same result on them, bu I cannot(most time).but Olympus SIGNIFICANTLY better for someone, swithing from P&S.not only because LV.err, again dead loop..

What I mean in mind, writing that - nothing replace LIVE experience - so maybe better try some DSLRs in shop.not listening seller "tales" and etc, but shoot itself...

Comment #13

You might also consider the Nikon D40 and D60, as well as the soon-to-be-released Canon XS. The latter is pretty similar in price to an XTi, but comes with a much better lens...

Comment #14

Basiley wrote:.

Most time - more sharper landscape can be shott.but IMO, and someone more familar with Oly ,maybe can produce sameresult on them, bu I cannot(most time)..

Again the same question, why?.

Daniel..

Comment #15

I, personlly, would not buy any camera without in-body image stabilization anymore. The lenses you will buy with stabilization are simply too expensive compared to non-stabilized lenses. Been there, done that. For the same quality lens on a CaNikon, if stabilized, I could've bought a non-stabilized lens (which becomes stabilized on a in-body stabilized body) that is just as good but cheaper. Or for the same money, I get a better lens that doesn't need stabilization..

In general, i'd look into E420/E-520 from Olympus, the K200D from Pentax or the A200/A300 from Sony at this point until CaNikon pulls their head out of their butts, stop being so greedy and implement in-body stabilization on their cameras. Yeah, I REALLY can become this important.I had a Canon XTi and switched because of this reason.This, of course, is just my subjective opinion..

Sony DSC-H50 P&SOlympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses (28-84mm/80-300mm equiv. 35mm)Sony A350..

Comment #16

Btw, it's a typo, "I" don't become important, it was supposed to be "it" (stbilization) becomes important. I'm not important afterall... Sony DSC-H50 P&SOlympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses (28-84mm/80-300mm equiv. 35mm)Sony A350..

Comment #17

I am seriously considering E-410 as I find it is not much different from E-420 and can be had for almost $200 cheaper..

I don't use live view so contrast detect autofocus, face detection and perfect shot preview are almost useless to me. I don't need faster FPS for landscapes, 0.2" does not equal mean bigger LCD and E-420 still has inferior dynamic range then competition (highlights by between 0.7 and 1.0 EV)..

So is there another E-420 advantage that can justify $200 premium?.

What do other people think about E-410?..

Comment #18

Sharper, but lack of some DR control.and a little retweaked LV..

P.s.if $200 difference so significant - not bad choice...

Comment #19

Well $200 is significant as my wife wants me to buy a camera for < $300. I don't know I think E-410 with kit lens is bargain for $360-380...

Comment #20

It is. The only IQ difference between the two is that E420 uses less NR (grainy but detailed images) at higher ISOs on JPGs. But if you shoot RAW then it is immaterial..

Camera N00b wrote:.

Well $200 is significant as my wife wants me to buy a camera for$300. I don't know I think E-410 with kit lens is bargain for$360-380..

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

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He is my Proof of GOOD DR with OlysThe grass has many subtle shades (or DR)...Just saying!.

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Camera N00b wrote:.

I will be mainly doing Landscape Photography. As my main criteria iscost I don't see myself purchasing any Lens other kit lens.I am considering only Sony Alpha A200, Olympus E-420 or Canon XTimainly as they are the only ones within my budget. Which one should Ibuy?.

Why not Pentax K200D with kit lens? Or Nikon D60 with VR kit lens?These will provide overall better IQ (due to in-body stabilizationand good kit lenses).Among the three I would choose xTi body with IS kit lens. (E420 hassmaller sensor so DR is bit less which is a handicap for landscapeshots.)Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time..

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Comment #22

IS itself - not replaces uniquely smal-sizes of E-420 .

So, main E-420 advantages ins compact design, easy UI, relatively fast IC(especially for entry-level), more or less working DR control(singnificantly improved over E-410), LiveView(yeah, I know , what typically say, most "semi-Pro", DSLR-veterans here, but LV - USFUL, not a toy, at all(just take some time to familariza and you like it )), and good lens(especially for Kit-pricing).disadvantages is only:lack of IS(maybe be fixed in E-430 ?(Mid 2009 ?:)).

Stronger,t han needed AA-filter(help against PF and some other artefacts, but causes some loss of detail, especially, if you typically, prefer not "fune-tuning" RAW from camera).p.s.btw, E-420 great camera, I like it.but A-200 and A-350 shoot a little better(for my vision)..

Targeted little different(lack of LV in A-200 is seems not ocassional - just marketing tricks towards "old-skool" photographers, typical LV-haters  - more solid cases with about ~1.5x more capable batteries - is just begginning .

P.p.s..

If I have a lot of money, I maybe buy all of them and walk on street, with plenty of DSLR's around my body .

Hardly montting and constantly shhoting all around, powered by Pb Battery from car, holded inside my raid backpack ..

Comment #23

Dennis Bingham wrote:.

For the same quality lens on a CaNikon, if stabilized, icould've bought a non-stabilized lens (which becomes stabilized on ain-body stabilized body) that is just as good but cheaper. Or for thesame money, I get a better lens that doesn't need stabilization..

Olympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses (28-84mm/80-300mm fov. 35mm)Sony A350.

Really? Point me out three same quality lenses by Sony that are cheaper than their Nikon VR counterparts..

Shall we start with a nice expensive 300 f2.8. Sony's offering doesn't have in-lens stabalization. Nikon's offering does have VR. Nikon 300 f2.8 cost around $4500 new. Sony's saves you a lot because you don't have to buy the stabalization. It costs a mere $6000.



Now, I think if you compare other Nikon VR lenses with equivalent Sonys, you'll see the same thing often. Greedy Sony charges the same or more for non-stabalized lenses. Most of the others do too. You can find one or two that one company is cheaper than the other, but by and large, Nikon and Canon don't really cost you more for equivalent stabalized lenses than the others. The nice thing about Nikon is that you can get top notch glass in the consumer lenses. Tell me about Sony's consumer glass.



Cheers, Craig..

Comment #24

You don't honestly think that someone who is in the market for their first dSLR and looks at a D60 or E-420 or A300 looks at lenses in the upper $4k market, do you? And in the lower segment market, there are alternatives from Tamron and Sigma (not even talking about older Minolta lenses) that do a good job on the Sony bodies and don't need VR. Oh and the nice Sony viewfinder is easily fixed by an eyecup made by pentax, nikon or Sony that costs a mere $30 and becomes a nice D60/XSi equivalent......

Somehow you got very defensive very fast and didn't even look at what this user wants....

Sony DSC-H50 P&SOlympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses 14-42mm and 40-150mmSony A350 w/Tamron 18-250mm and Sigma 105mm Macro..

Comment #25

No, but I hear that silliness about VR lenses costing so much more than their equivalents by Sony and whatnot. "You only pay for IS once in the body instead of every time in the lens." Then, I see your statements about "Greedy Nikon" and "get their head out of their ass" and I wonder who the defensive one is..

I pointed out one example and asked you to show me several others to back up your point, and you tell me about used Minoltas and such. You said "equivalent quality lenses." The point is that buying an equivalent new Sony lens without IS is not less expensive than Nikon's or Canon's equivalent with it, in the long run. Moreover, you generally have to go to Zeiss licensed lenses to get equivalent optics and that's pretty darn expensive. Most of Sony's consumer glass is pretty sorry. Who's pocketing that profit?.

It's also pretty sorry to have to get an eyepiece extension to try to get up to the viewfinder size of other entry level cameras, and you don't get the brightness. You end up with a big clumbsy point and shoot with either sorry or expensive optics. Olympus and Pentax have a much better argument, IMO, to Canon or Nikon's concept. At least Oly's glass is top notch right down the spectrum. No need to argue why they charge so much for glass, but the argument that without in-glass IS is cheaper is mute.Cheers, Craig..

Comment #26

Man, are you bitter.....all I was saying was that it's nice to have in body stabilization and not to have to buy specialized lenses every time to get the feature. Not sure what your gripe is....you keep talking about Sony prices and don't even mention 3rd party lenses like Tamron or Sigma. For arguments sake, take the Sigma 105mm macro lens from my Signature. It's stabilized with the Sony body. Price point: $380. It's a darn sharp f2.8 lens.

I can find more examples if you like. Stop talking about $4k lenses already, it's not even remotely related to this discussion..

And the viewfinder....jeez, you better check the REAL picture. The XTi has a smaller viewfinder picture than the A200 and comes even close to smallness of the A350. With eyecup (which btw does not change the darkness of the viewfinder), the image in the A350 is bigger than the standard XTi or D60 viewfinder image..

Here, educate yourself a little:.

Http://danny.id.au/photography/equipment/dslr-viewfinder-sizes.htmlSony DSC-H50 P&SOlympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses 14-42mm and 40-150mmSony A350 w/Tamron 18-250mm and Sigma 105mm Macro..

Comment #27

You aren't seriously comparing the Sigma 105 to the 105 Nikkor, are you?.

LOL.. I think you're the bitter one here, jumping from brand to brand. Telling other to get their head out of their whatevers. heheheh..

Your point was, and I know you can't answer it, was that equivalent lenses with VR are more expensive than the same lens by Sony without VR. Of course Sigmas are cheaper than Nikon pro-glass..

I said that equivalent lenses are not far from the same price, regardless of whether they have IS built in or not. For instance the 55-200 VR Nikkor is around $250 street. It's very consumer. What comparible Sony is much cheaper because it doesn't have IS?.

Anyway, I'm done. So many spout that nonsense, yet few can actually produce many samples..

Pass the salt.Cheers, Craig..

Comment #28

I think you got it. There IS NO stabilized lens for Nikon/Canon that compares in the pricing segment I mentioned (and the one important to the original poster). Why don't you give me an example? So people that would want one would have to pay for the "pro" glass (and pay twice as much as they would for the Sigma lens, which would satisfy just about every beginner out there)..

Thanks, you have proven my point...and no more bickering about the small viewfinder?.

Sony DSC-H50 P&SOlympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses 14-42mm and 40-150mmSony A350 w/Tamron 18-250mm and Sigma 105mm Macro..

Comment #29

And by the way, this has nothing to do with pro Sony or contra other brands. I would say the same about Pentax and Olympus, which also have image stabilization in their bodies. It just makes sense.Sony DSC-H50 P&SOlympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses 14-42mm and 40-150mmSony A350 w/Tamron 18-250mm and Sigma 105mm Macro..

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