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I'm quite new to digital photography and learning new skills with my Ricoh GX100. As well as the software provided with the camera I've been trying out a few others downloaded from the web. I have a trial version of Elements 6 which is quite good. But I also have a trial version of Lightroom too. Both seem pretty good. As I'm taking quite a lot of photos in RAW Lightroom gives quite good results.



TALLY..

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Hello Tally,.

Both Lightroom and PSE 6 use the ACR (Adobe Camera Raw) engine to process raw files. PSE 6 will have more "enhancing" features than Lightroom, and may be a little easier to use..

Lightroom comes in very handy when working with large numbers of pictures, it is mainly an organizer with some good editing features, but it is a very good photo organizer/manager. At Lightroom's heart it has a database where it stores not your pictures, but the location of your pictures, the changes you make to your pictures, and makes all of your pictures easily accessible, manageable and a pleasure to work with. It also has sophisticated editing features, just not the cool features to drastically change or enhance your pictures if that's what you're looking for..

Lightroom is la non-destructive editor, meaning that your edits are not saved back to your original picture, they are saved to Lightroom's database and when you view the picture, your edits are applied to it, so your original stays intact. You can however, export to a new file with your changes included in that new image file..

But you have the trial version, so I recommend playing with it, and see if it has what you're looking for - it may have other features that you may not need at this time, as it was built with pro photographers in mind, to facilitate their work flow, editing many pictures, and picture management. I am not a pro, but find it really helpful as part of my workflow..

PSE 6 (I have PSE 5, so I base my comments on that version) is more of an all-around editor/organizer which is also pretty good at what it does..

Personally, I use Nikon's Capture NX software to process my Nikon raw files, convert them to jpeg from NX and import the jpegs to Lightroom, where I do very minor editing if at all. If more editing or enhancing is desired, I use Paint Shop Pro X2 (which I think is better than PSE 5)..

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Comment #1

Basically, I agree with cosilver..

Adobe's raw converter is the same whether you use Elements, Lightroom or Photoshop CS3..

I also prefer Nikon's Capture NX for a Raw converter, but I convert to a 16 bit Tiff and move it to Photoshop for final edit. I find the Tiff better for printing. I convert the tiff to Jpeg in photoshop and at that time change from RGB to sRBG and 8bit for the web. I still keep the Tiff for later..

I don't care for Paintshop Pro at all..

Just my way...

Comment #2

Hi guys, and thanks for the help. It is positively a minefield out there when it comes to cameras and software. Basically I need to download, store, and edit my photos. I have trial downloads of lots of software including Elements 6 and Lightroom. As you mentioned, Elements is definately the easier of the 2 to manage. I'm struggling with Lightroom to be honest though the edit controls down the side of the screen are cool and easy to use..

At my stage of development I guess Elements would be the safer bet. But would you advise using a RAW convertor then transfering to Elements for further editing OR just use Elements for both actions?.

Thanks again, TALLY..

Comment #3

ACR might be all you need, but here is a Raw converter comparison..

Http://www.bythom.com/raw.htm..

Comment #4

I have both PSE6 and LR. I use them BOTH! They are not comparable programs. PSE6 is a full-featured editor. LR is primarily a photo database program, with some editing features included. LR is also very early in it's development. There is a pending version 2 (you can download it and see where it's going...but don't USE it yet)..

LR is unconventional. It's difficult for some people to understand what they are supposed to do! Go to:.

Http://www.whibalhost.com/_Tutorials/Photoshop_LR/01/index.html.

And watch Michael's tutorials. Doing this will help get the light to turn on..

LR is the future of Adobe Photoshop. It's an excellent doorway for PP. I always import and organize pic files with LR. I do most basic editing in LR. If I have a difficult editing task, I export a file to PSE6 and finish it there. Then I import the resultant pic file back into LR, so that it will be there for the future..

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Comment #5

.. would PSE 6 need the Adobe RAW add on or does it already have enough RAW capacity anyway? gosh I hope that makes sense!?.

TALLY..

Comment #6

TALLY wrote:.

.. would PSE 6 need the Adobe RAW add on or does it already haveenough RAW capacity anyway? gosh I hope that makes sense!?.

PSE6 comes with a version of ACR (usually the latest one at the time the package was assembled). Adobe is constantly revising ACR to include support for new cameras. New/current ACR versions are free from the Adobe site. All versions of PS use ACR, including LR. The "capacity" is identical. The differences are the way the various programs use ACR.

LR doesn't...it "hides" ACR in the background and uses a completely different UI. LR lets you edit JPEG and RAW files the same way!.

You need BOTH programs...but not for the ACR "capacity"..

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Comment #7

.. my best choice then I think is to get Elements 6 and get familiar with using that first. As it has RAW capability I can continue shooting RAW photos. I'm off to New York then ST.Lucia with the wife for a couple of weeks and of course my camera will be tagging along. Hopefully I'll get some nice photos and on my return I shall purchase Elements 6. There, job done!.

Many thanks ya'll, TALLY..

Comment #8

TALLY wrote:.

I'll get some nice photos and on my return Ishall purchase Elements 6. There, job done!.

Well, not quite. You still have to decide whether to get Elements or the full Photoshop CS3. If you get really serious about a digital darkroom, you'll end up with the real thing. You might consider it up front..

In the old days, we spent good money on a quality darkroom enlarger, lens and color correction tools. Today, Elements will get the job done, but CS3 is like the better quality enlarger and lens with better correction tools and a higher learning curve. It's something to consider. I'm not trying to convince you toward CS3, just trying to show a choice. Personally, I wouldn't consider less...

Comment #9

Personally, I'm still not ready for CS3...after 5 years. My belief is that LR will supplement CS3 with gradual enhancements. I'm on the LR bandwagon... .

Guidenet wrote:.

TALLY wrote:.

I'll get some nice photos and on my return Ishall purchase Elements 6. There, job done!.

Well, not quite. You still have to decide whether to get Elements orthe full Photoshop CS3. If you get really serious about a digitaldarkroom, you'll end up with the real thing. You might consider it upfront..

In the old days, we spent good money on a quality darkroom enlarger,lens and color correction tools. Today, Elements will get the jobdone, but CS3 is like the better quality enlarger and lens withbetter correction tools and a higher learning curve. It's somethingto consider. I'm not trying to convince you toward CS3, just tryingto show a choice. Personally, I wouldn't consider less..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

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