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Smith-Victor FL200 2 Monolight Kit
Will Smith-Victor FL200 2 Monolight Kit sold at B&H work for a starter kit for studio/small group photos? They are locaed here. I have read all the information on Alien Bees, but like some feedback on these. Thank you..

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...Smith_Victor_401500_FL200_2_Monolight_Kit.html..

Comments (19)

They only have a two stop range, (three output settings).

They don't have auto dumping, which means any time you change the output setting you have to manually trigger the lights to discharge the capacitor from the previous settingThey have a four second recycle time.

The specs also do not mention whether they are fan cooled or not, so I would presume not..

The are inexpensive and light weight, but other than that, they don't have much going for them..

Brian A...

Comment #1

Thank you and I thought that buying the camera was going to be the hard part..

I used to shoot weddings years ago for a company out of Wichita, Ks, and have take several photography classes. BUT ITS BEEN 10 years since I have done much shooting..

I'm ready to get back into it, but have never purchased anything besides a flash for lighting. I want a 2 strobe umbrella kit, that I can use with m Canon D40, and not spend $1000+ on. Any suggestions?.

Also would it help the cost to get a constant on kit?..

Comment #2

Very expensive. Broncolor and Elinchrom are top line, Hensels are more affordable..

Alien Bees are probably the best bang for the buck in the US. They are quality lights. although extremely ugly. They lack things like discrete step power control, digital readout, and built in remote control. I find their numbering borderline dishonest: AB400s are 160 Ws not 400Ws for example..

If Alien Bees aren't your thing, then look at other lights, but you want:.

Auto dumping and more than a two stop range. If you aren't shooting many shots per minute, the fan cooling on lights below 200 Ws may not be important to you. If you are shooting people, then short recycle times can be important..

Flash duration can be important. t0.5 time is the time it takes for the light from the flash to decay by one stop. One stop below initial output is still a lot of light. t0.1 times are a better indicator of duration (approx 3 stops under initial output). Multiplying t0.5 times by 3, will give a good approximation of the t0.1 times. (Monolights in general, do not give as short durations as shoe mount flashes.).

I would look at softboxes rather than umbrellas. Although they take a little longer to set up, the light is easier to control..

Brian A...

Comment #3

Do you think the The Beginner Bee with 2 B400 lights would work?..

Comment #4

Box72 wrote:.

Do you think the The Beginner Bee with 2 B400 lights would work?.

I believe the beginner package has only one light and no triggering device..

Does your 40D have a PC socket? If it doesnt then you will need a shoe-to-pc adapter and PC cable to fire the light.

The "digi bee" package has two lights and a shoe mountable remote trigger. This does not give you any control over the lights, it just triggers them when you release the shutter; you have to set the lights manually..

Brian A...

Comment #5

I was thinking about buying two kits. To help spread the light out some for small groups..

Yes the 40D has a PC Terminal..

Comment #6

Box72 wrote:.

I was thinking about buying two kits..

Then the digi bee package is a better deal.

To help spread the light outsome for small groups..

Spreading lights often isn't a good idea for groups. You can end up with cross lightig and two shadows on every face. Two lights together, however, will give you 320 Ws , which is one stop more power or 1.4 times the distance. And two lights are much more flexible than one..

Brian A...

Comment #7

That digi bee looks like a pretty nice package. do I need the extras since I have the PC term?..

Comment #8

Box72 wrote:.

That digi bee looks like a pretty nice package. do I need the extrassince I have the PC term?.

No, but remote is a lot nicer, especially off tripod. It is on less wire to have to worry about..

Brian A...

Comment #9

They have been in the monolight business as long as anyone..

This seems like a great deal..

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...Photogenic__StudioMax_II_2_Light_Portrait.html.

I use this kit because of it's AC/DC battery ability, great quality products..

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...otogenic_907258_StudioMax_III_2_Monolight.html..

Comment #10

Box72 wrote:.

I was thinking about buying two kits. To help spread the light outsome for small groups..

Yes the 40D has a PC Terminal.

The contents of the AlienBees packages are not fixed, you can add and delete at will and still receive the same discount on the accessories. You can delete the radio triggers for example - you do not need to mess with them, they already have fine optical slave triggers. Just put whatever you want into the shopping chart, and remove what you dont want..

For portraits of people, you will want two white umbrellas, instead of silver umbrellas..

Two B400 with stands and white umbrellas are $600, and will run circles around that first kit you mentioned for $500. 1/2 second recycle vs 4 seconds for example. This is joy when using them..

It sort of matters about power if you have an ISO 100 camera or a ISO 200 camera. The B400 will be enough power in the living room for any camera. However it wont have a great deal more range for ISO 100 cameras, meaning if you anticipate any "larger" use (lights located more distant than portraits), then you might consider the B800. You can always turn them down. The distance to lights and the power needed are very related, close is low power, far is much more power..

But note, the B400 on a ISO 200 camera already acts the same as B800 on a ISO 100 camera... There is one stop difference between them. So.... ISO changes your perspective. I have an ISO 200 Nikon, and the B800s are very usable, but still on the border of being to much power in the living room. For portraits (close), I typically use them around 1/8 power in umbrellas or 1/16 power in a softbox.



Regarding power, there is a chart on the AB specs page (output measurements) which shows you what aperture to expect in a few situations (ISO 100)...

Comment #11

What do you mainly use your equipment for? Port, groups, etc..

SMPhoto wrote:.

They have been in the monolight business as long as anyone..

This seems like a great deal..

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...Photogenic__StudioMax_II_2_Light_Portrait.html.

I use this kit because of it's AC/DC battery ability, great qualityproducts..

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...otogenic_907258_StudioMax_III_2_Monolight.html..

Comment #12

Box72 wrote:.

What about these?.

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...c_956791_CL500K_Photoflood_Tungsten_Light.html.

No! No! No!  .

Seriously, you do not want to consider continuous lights. That concept was obsolete many years ago, we have flash now. These 1000 watts of light will only allow your using maybe 1/30 second shutter at f/2.8 with ISO 400, up close. Plus you will have this 1000 watt heater making your subject sweat..

You want flash, and then 1/250 second at f/11 is easy and trivial. Even cheap flash gear usable only a few times will be greatly better than any continuous lights, which you will only try to use once or twice..

It could be different if you only photograph tabletop subjects and can use a two second exposure. But you seriously need flash for people...

Comment #13

Ok, ok, ok..... Thanks..

Here is the deal. I have a $600 paypal buyer credit budget. I like the AlienBees, but they do not take paypal. B&H looks like they do, not sure about any others..

Any suggestions...

Comment #14

If you don't need to power with battery. Great quality, including hte umbrellas and light stands for the price...

Comment #15

I don't need a battery. Which one are you talking about?.

SMPhoto wrote:.

If you don't need to power with battery. Great quality, including hteumbrellas and light stands for the price...

Comment #16

Paypal has no way to get your cash back out?.

This manual is online at http://www.photogenicpro.com/...ore/item.asp?ITEM_ID=176&DEPARTMENT_ID=83.

Sounds like your situation is uninterested in a debate about specs. I'd argue for the AB (which I have) but this one is another major brand name in the world of flash, and surely very decent, and unquestionably way above the cheap noname Ebay junk..

Interesting however that it appears to be a thyristor type, like camera speedlights, with faster flash duration at low power, and this one is much slower at full power. That is unusual, but you wont need it to be full power for portraits. Maybe half or 1/4 at ISO 100..

One thing I dont understand is the included 7.5" reflectors that only cover 35 degrees. That is rather narrow like a spot light, and an umbrella uses 70 or 80 degree reflectors to fill it. It will only fill the center of the umbrella, unless the shaft is twice as long. Maybe this narrow beam is to intensify the light? It should "work", and they say it works, but a 40 inch umbrella on a 24 inch shaft is 80 degrees...

Comment #17

The Photogenic Studio kit with the 320 monolights. There is another slightly more expensive version with 320B monolights that can also be powered by Quantum type battery packs - very handy if used on location where a wall outlet may not be handy...

Comment #18

Its buyer credit, so I can not get the cash out. Spent to much cash on the rest of the equipment, it's all I have left :o).

WFulton wrote:.

Paypal has no way to get your cash back out?.

This manual is online athttp://www.photogenicpro.com/...ore/item.asp?ITEM_ID=176&DEPARTMENT_ID=83.

Sounds like your situation is uninterested in a debate about specs.I'd argue for the AB (which I have) but this one is another majorbrand name in the world of flash, and surely very decent, andunquestionably way above the cheap noname Ebay junk..

Interesting however that it appears to be a thyristor type, likecamera speedlights, with faster flash duration at low power, and thisone is much slower at full power. That is unusual, but you wont needit to be full power for portraits. Maybe half or 1/4 at ISO 100..

One thing I dont understand is the included 7.5" reflectors that onlycover 35 degrees. That is rather narrow like a spot light, and anumbrella uses 70 or 80 degree reflectors to fill it. It will onlyfill the center of the umbrella, unless the shaft is twice as long.Maybe this narrow beam is to intensify the light? It should "work",and they say it works, but a 40 inch umbrella on a 24 inch shaft is80 degrees...

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