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Should I upgrade?, Kodak Z812iS VS Canon S5iS?
I was thinking about selling my Kodak Z812iS and buying the Canon S5iS since it has a hotshoe and a swilvel screen. I will loose a loose some money on the Kodak and all it's accessories, but I hate not having a hotshoe. Should I consider doing this, or should I just wait until I can afford a dSLR rather than waste money on this upgrade? Any comments would be appreciated because I'm lost on if I should do this since I'll be loosing some money (My Kodak is new with reciepts and under warranty since it's only about a month old, I have the Kodak Lithium ion battery and Kodak charger as well as a bunch of other stuff.).

Thanks,..

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The value of a hot shoe depends on the value of an external flash. I can think of multiple reasons why it might -not- be that useful to you, for instance.

- you're not willing to spend the $ for an external flash which can be quite non-trivial.

- flash is not appropriate for the photograph you're trying to take, perhaps because it'd cast shadows you don't want or obliterate the ambience of natural lighting, or it's too distracting to the subjects.

- a particular flash may not be all that useful if you're shooting in portrait orientation and the flash does not swivel (so the light would come from a side, not above rather unnatural).

- hotshoe flash would not help because you're shooting extreme close-ups and it's blocked by the lens.

- flash would not help because it's not powerful enough to cover the area you're trying to illuminate (check the guide number usually expressed in either feet or meters at ISO 100. Effective range ~ (GN * sqrt(ISO used for shot/ISO for GN) / f-stop used). Zooming flashes may have a different GN at different focal lengths. Typical built-in flashes tend to have GN ~ 10-12m @ ISO 100). Range needs to be reduced if you're bouncing it or using a diffuser.)..

- flash would not help because it's too heavy and bulky to bring along some of the larger flashes weigh more than some compact cameras.

You should check the pricing of external flashes for the Canon S5 IS if that's the model you're considering...

Comment #1

I guess I need to put more thought into this whole thing, Thanks!..

Comment #2

TapouT wrote:.

I was thinking about selling my Kodak Z812iS and buying the CanonS5iS since it has a hotshoe and a swilvel screen. I will loose aloose some money on the Kodak and all it's accessories, but I hate nothaving a hotshoe. Should I consider doing this, or should I justwait until I can afford a dSLR rather than waste money on thisupgrade? Any comments would be appreciated because I'm lost on if Ishould do this since I'll be loosing some money (My Kodak is new withreciepts and under warranty since it's only about a month old, I havethe Kodak Lithium ion battery and Kodak charger as well as a bunch ofother stuff.).

That's a good choice for the S5IS. A good camera. The Canon flashes can cost a lot of money but fortunately you can find some flash that will be as good for much less like the Vivitar 285HV. If you buy a good flash, make sure you will be able to use it on a future DSLR, it will save you money in the long run..

Manu.

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Will I see any other benifits if I switch other than a hotshoe and swivel screen? I was told the S5is was better at Macro work than the Z812is but the z821 was slightly faster shot-to-shot, both important features to me. But would I still get decent macro with macro lenses on the Kodak I wonder. Someone I spoke with told me to save my money and get a dSLR because neither of these cameras can compare to one...

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Anyone owned or used both the Z812is and S5is have any opinions? Anyone used a slave flash with the Z812? I need to decide soon on what I want to do..

Thanks,..

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TapouT wrote:.

Will I see any other benifits if I switch other than a hotshoe andswivel screen? I was told the S5is was better at Macro work than theZ812is but the z821 was slightly faster shot-to-shot, both importantfeatures to me. But would I still get decent macro with macro lenseson the Kodak I wonder. Someone I spoke with told me to save my moneyand get a dSLR because neither of these cameras can compare to one..

You know it's very difficult to give you sound advices if we don't know:1) what subjects do you like to take pictures of2) your current skills3) what you like and don't like.

Yes a DSLR *can* give you much better quality, but the learning curve is also steeper. If you don't know what is DoF and how to control it you can have big disapointments for example. Good glass for a DSLR cost a lot of money, often much more than the body itself. Don't expect to find a f2.7-3.5 36-432mm (the Canon S5 lens) on a DSLR. For macro, small-sensors cameras can be better than DSLR because they have huge DoF..

For fast burst mode, the Panasonic FZ8, FZ18, FZ50 are much better than the Canon/Kodak. The FZ50 has the hot shoe and the vari-angle LCD, has 10MP, a bigger sensor and DSLR-like controls. The downside, it's almost as big as a DSLR. And if you don't need the focal range, a DSLR can be much better in image quality..

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I like to take alot of pictures. I do alot of macro work of flowers. I like taking nature pictures including plants, lanscape, hummingbirds we attract etc.. I also like taking sunrise and sunset pictures, pictures of wildlife I may run across and also pictures of family, cars etc... My skills are very basic at this point but am eager to learn more! I did like the S5is's swivel screen because I do take shots in odd positions like laying down or kneeling etc....

Some shots seem that they could be lighted better when shooting in the house during the holiday or in the evening outside (8-20 feet away) is why I was thinking I should have bought a hotshoe camera. I also have noticed that the Canon says it can take photos from 0" away in super macro as where the Kodak is like 4.7" in macro (never used macro lenses so dont know if they would help or not, I almost ordered a 55mm kit that has up to +10 with it, not even sure how they work though)..

I have read a couple posts on here where people bought the Z812is and then returned it to get the canon S5is and liked it better overall. I just wonder would I like the Canon better than the Kodak I currently have (Z812is) and would it be enough to justify loosing money since I obviously cant get what I paid for the Kodak and lens adapter, charger, Lithium Ion battery pack etc....

Dont get me wrong the Kodak is a great camera, I just wondered if I would be happier with the Canon?.

Thanks..

Comment #7

I did the switch to the Canon S5is I did like the drip of Kodak a little better when I tried the canon out in the store, but I was used to the Kodak allready. Im eager the learn the Canon feature since it's diff. than what I'm used to. Thanks for the replies to those who did...

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