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shooting date info altered in ZoomBrowser EX?
So I finally ventured into the world of digital photography last month by purchasing a Canon SD1000. At the moment I'm using the post-processing software that came bundled with the camera, ZoomBrowser EX 5.8. (Eventually I'll upgrade to a better program, but I first want to learn the basics with this one.) My first usage of the camera was a couple hundred vacation pictures. Upon getting home, I used ZoomBrowser for some basic edits contrast, brightness etc. On all of these shots the original, true shooting date and time remained correct after editing..

Since that first batch of photos, I've taken another hundred or so shots on several outings. Now, for whatever reason, whenever I make any modification in ZoomBrowser EX, the original shooting date and time is lost. The time and date of the edit appears as the shooting date. Even when I close out ZoomBrowser and open the photo files from the pictures folder on my hard drive, the wrong date appears. Nothing indicates it being a "modified on" date..

To the best of my knowledge, I'm not doing anything differently now. Did I accidentally change a setting? Why does overwriting the file now change the shooting date, when it didn't before? I suspect there's an obvious answer, but I'm completely stumped...

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BillNC wrote:.

So I finally ventured into the world of digital photography lastmonth by purchasing a Canon SD1000. At the moment I'm using thepost-processing software that came bundled with the camera,ZoomBrowser EX 5.8. (Eventually I'll upgrade to a better program,but I first want to learn the basics with this one.) My first usageof the camera was a couple hundred vacation pictures. Upon gettinghome, I used ZoomBrowser for some basic edits contrast, brightnessetc. On all of these shots the original, true shooting date and timeremained correct after editing..

Since that first batch of photos, I've taken another hundred or soshots on several outings. Now, for whatever reason, whenever I makeany modification in ZoomBrowser EX, the original shooting date andtime is lost. The time and date of the edit appears as the shootingdate. Even when I close out ZoomBrowser and open the photo filesfrom the pictures folder on my hard drive, the wrong date appears.Nothing indicates it being a "modified on" date..

When editing and making any changes each file should be renamed or given.

An E (means edited) to the file name to avoid overwritting the original file(makes a new file) thus preserving the Original. By not overwriting the original you can always go back at a later time to re edit if needed......

To the best of my knowledge, I'm not doing anything differently now.Did I accidentally change a setting? Why does overwriting the filenow change the shooting date, when it didn't before? I suspectthere's an obvious answer, but I'm completely stumped..

Bill,Jr'I kind of like the Earth, it's where I keep all my Stuff.'Website; http://www.pbase.com/wboth125 Lake Wylie, SC..

Comment #1

Are you talking about the date at the top of the "properties" sidebar? Look closely and you'll find that is labeled as "Modified". In other words, the date the file was last modified. Scroll down to "Shooting Information". You should find that "Shooting date/time" remains unmodified..

WillWill PrattBarrick Museum, UNLV..

Comment #2

Thanks for your replies Bill Jr and Will..

Will, when I click on the properties tab, I do see the modified date at top, though I'm also seeing that same modified info, both date and time, when I scroll down to "shooting date/time". The original info seems lost. That modified info is also misleadingly listed as "date taken" in the pictures folder on my hard drive..

Using ZoomBrowser EX, I've noticed that some pictures I've edited, and overwritten, don't show any shooting date/time at all under the properties tab. Likewise, when I view the entire batch of photos from either zoom mode or scroll mode, those pictures simply have dashes under the filename, in place of a date. However, when I open my pc's pictures folder, the correct date and time are reflected in the "date taken" info..

In other words, the problem of the shooting date getting altered seems to depend on whether the date or dashes are appearing under the filename. Does this shed any light on things?.

(In future I will be adding an "e" or somesuch to the filename to preserve the original regardless, but I'd still like to solve this mystery.)..

Comment #3

Odd. I just make a trial edit in ZB EX 5.5 on my machine here at the museum and the correct original shooting date and time are preserved. I'll check tonight using 5.8 at home. (I think it's 5.8, anyway the current one that runs on Vista.) Hmm, I did do a "save as", which is the default for ZB EX..

WillWill PrattBarrick Museum, UNLV..

Comment #4

Okay, I edited an image in ver. 5.8, and saved it under the original file name. It still retains the original shooting date and time. You might want to try uninstalling ZoomBrowser and reinstall..

WillWill PrattBarrick Museum, UNLV..

Comment #5

Will,.

I did uninstall ZoomBrowser entirely, and then reinstall the program unfortunately it's still adjusting the shooting dates whenver I modify a picture in any way. I'm so baffled because it wasn't doing this till recently..

When you view your pictures from the zoom or scroll mode, with the "Show shooting date" option checked, do all your photos display a date under the filename? Do any display dashes in lieu of a shooting date? Any thoughts as to why I only see dashes till I modify the picture? The EXIF data is being correctly stored on the camera itself, as I can view it on the camera and in folders on my hard drive etc..

Thanks again for your replies....

Bill..

Comment #6

BillNC wrote:.

Will,.

I did uninstall ZoomBrowser entirely, and then reinstall theprogram unfortunately it's still adjusting the shooting dateswhenver I modify a picture in any way. I'm so baffled because itwasn't doing this till recently..

I can only say, curioser and curioser. Have you tried sending a query to the Canon support page?.

When you view your pictures from the zoom or scroll mode, with the"Show shooting date" option checked, do all your photos display adate under the filename? Do any display dashes in lieu of a shootingdate? Any thoughts as to why I only see dashes till I modify thepicture? The EXIF data is being correctly stored on the cameraitself, as I can view it on the camera and in folders on my harddrive etc..

I don't ordinarily have that checked, since I use file folders named by date, so all the images on a page are shot the same date, and _that_ is displayed at the top of the page, as the folder name. However, I checked that option, just now, and the date displays correctly..

WillWill PrattBarrick Museum, UNLV..

Comment #7

Bill - forgive me if you know this one, but sometimes the simplest tips can be the most useful!.

Here's a way to get the Detail folder view in WinXP Explorer to display extra columns such as as "Date Picture Taken", "Camera Model" etc.

Http://www.theeldergeek.com/applying_detail_view_to_windows.htm.

And here's Microsoft's version - a fuller explanation, but a lot drier!.

Http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310297.

Hope that's of some help!.

Peter.

Peter - on the green island of Ischiahttp://www.pbase.com/isolaverde..

Comment #8

Well, after much trial and error I've finally figured out what has been causing this problem, and how to stop it. Bear with me, this is slightly confusing....

When I first bought my camera, I didn't realize that setting the time was done in military style; so, when I went to set it to 7:00 pm, for example, I used 7:00, when I should have used 19:00. Consequently, my pictures all had the AM and PM mixed up. This shooting information can't be altered in the ZoomBrowser EX software. However, when I viewed the photos from the "my pictures" folder on my hard drive (I'm running Vista), I was able to highlight the shooting date/time and manually change it. So I did this to correct all the shots where AM and PM were wrong..

Doing this caused the original shooting date/time to not show up at all in ZoomBrowser, however. Instead, I'd only see dashes. But, whenever I'd make any kind of edit to the picture (brightness, contrast etc) the modification date would then be listed as the shooting date and time. The shooting info I was inserting into my pictures folder was only fixed in place until an edit was made to the photo..

In other words, changing the shooting date/time from the pictures folder rendered ZoomBrowser unable to read any shooting date. And without having this data available, ZoomBrowser would simply fill in the missing data with the time and date I was modifying the image..

If I'd set the camera clock correctly in the first place, none of this would've happened as there would've been no need to try to adjust the shooting data on my hard drive. The AM/PM is finally correct in my camera..

I've played around with this theory long enough to establish this is definitely what caused the problem. Why it behaves this way exactly, I'm not sure, but it does. As long as I don't tamper with the time/date as it appears in my pictures folder, I can edit all I want from ZoomBrowser without losing the true, original shooting information. Does that all make sense?.

Again, thanks very much to everyone who chipped in with ideas and suggestions..

Bill..

Comment #9

Well done Bill - never heard of that problem before..

And - so that we don't have to read that explanation again - please work out how to reset the clock BEFORE you go away on vacation!!!!.

Regards,Peter.

Peter - on the green island of Ischiahttp://www.pbase.com/isolaverde..

Comment #10

Too bad you didn't mention that before. I thought about it, but you hadn't mentioned using Windows Explorer to alter anything. I knew about that because I'd bumped my own nose on it. This summer I changed the time in my A610 to UK time in flight from Las Vegas, without remembering to reset the date to what it was in the UK, on a trip to Scotland, and I didn't catch it for a couple of days. I batch changed the date on those shots using Explorer and reflected that I had finally found something about Vista that was an improvement. Then I noticed that some of the EXIF data had gone away.

I deleted those shots and redownloaded from the original cards. And reentered all that data. Sigh..

I can testify from experiment that Exifer will make batch date, time, and other changes to the Exif file _without_ trashing anything. Therefore I went back to Exifer..

WillWill PrattBarrick Museum, UNLV..

Comment #11

.... you can download ZB v6.01c now..

Hope you've a good connection though - it's 72Mb.

Peter.

Peter - on the green island of Ischiahttp://www.pbase.com/isolaverde..

Comment #12

Will,.

Sorry if I led you on a mental goose chase with my question. I wasn't trying to withhold any details, I'm long-winded enough as it is! Before posting I'd wracked my brain to remember what, if anything, I'd done differently between my vacation photos and the later shots. But it slipped me mind completely that I'd adjusted the time from AM to PM etc. in Explorer it only took me a few minutes a month ago, and then I promptly forgot about it. Till last night, when it came back to me, and lo and behold....

I'll have to look into this Exifer software that you've mentioned..

And Peter, thanks for the link to the updated ZB..

Thanks again,Bill..

Comment #13

Bill,.

Here's the url for Friedmann's EXIFER website. It's freeware. http://www.friedemann-schmidt.com/software/exifer/Here's another, for PhotoME, also freeware. http://www.photome.de/.

PhotoME has a slicker interface, but doesn't allow batch changes, you can only edit one file at a time, unlike EXIFER, and in general it's not as flexible..

Both programs will run under Vista..

WillWill PrattBarrick Museum, UNLV..

Comment #14

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