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p&s Vs. DSLR
So I thought I was all settled on the canon S5 IS, and then I went in to work today and started talking to a coworker who is getting in to photograpy. He suggested that for a little more I get the Nikon D40....

I guess I just have a few question about it..

1) The S5 is a 8.0 Megapixel camera, the D40 is only 6...if I go with the D40 am I going to notice much of a difference considering the megapixel difference?.

2) Assuming there isn't really that much of a difference is the D40 a good place to start with a DSLR?.

3) Is there something in a DLSR and a comparible price range (499.00 for the body and a 18-55mm lense) that would be better than the D40?.

ThanksRachel..

Comments (21)

For starters, there's a whole lot of difference between a little bittie sensor in a point and shoot and the much larger 6mp sensor in the D40. It's night and day, literally. The D40 is an excellent starter camera that will serve you for years. That lens is very sharp and much better than a point and shoot lens..

The Canon XTI is another good starter, but the base 18-55 kit lens is not that good, IMO. The new $200 18-55 IS Canon is superb and considered as sharp as the Nikon kit..

If you can stand $700, the Nikon D40 with the 18-135 kit lens is excellent, very sharp..

Don't get involved with the more megapixels is best nonsense. There's a lot more to it with that ranking near the bottom for consideration, IMO...

Comment #1

Would the XT just be the less megapixel version of the Xti?..

Comment #2

This link summarizes some of the differences between the XTi (400D) and the XT (350D)..

Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos400d/..

Comment #3

Rachel:.

The Canon is an excellent camera with built in lens stabilization, a handy feature. And I disagree with the contention that it's lens is not the equal of a DSLR kit lens, some of the nicer P&S cameras from Canon and others have very good lenses. However, I wholehearted agree that the sensor size difference is a huge difference, and most would be much happier with the quality of a 6 mp DSLR over a higher megapixel P&S. The D40 at ISO 1600 is probably as good or better as the P&S at ISO 400, maybe even ISO 200 (check the reviews on this site for pics and make your own comparison). Plus the start up and shot to shot time on most DSLR's will be much faster than most P&S cameras. But the range covered by the lens in something like the S5 cannot be duplicated by the basic kit lens in a DSLR, and the lens upgrade for a DSLR will add more to your costs..

If you shoot outside in good light all the time, and you are not shooting fast moving subjects, you might be just as happy with a P&S. If you plan to do any low light shooting (without flash) or any fast moving subjects, you will likely be much happier with a DSLR..

I have friends with the D40 and I've been very impressed with the image quality out of the camera..

Good shooting,.

GeneNorth Carolina..

Comment #4

The Canon S5IS you mentioned is an excellent point and shoot camera. It has the advantage over an SLR of being smaller, lighter and having an attached lens that could possibly meet all your needs..

HOWEVER.

An SLR has several distinct advantages of a point and shoot. Already mentioned is the difference in sensor size - this makes a substantial (as in HUGE) difference for those that wish to capture images in low light without using a flash!.

If you can afford the SLR and a starter lens, I would suggest you go for that - if your interest in photography is more than passing. Even if you decide to get a point and shoot, and your interest in photography endures, you will likely one day desire an SLR..

Whichever way you go, you are virtually guaranteed a good time..

Have a good day..

Respectfully,Mike SneddonMattoon, IL USA..

Comment #5

I suggest you look at the entry level camera kits from all the top brands, Nikon, Canon, Pentax, Olympus, and Sony. They are all good but have different features and they all feel different in operation. A comfortable camera to use is most important...

Comment #6

It totally depends on your personal choices..

P.s like S5 is.... lighter, only 1 lens which is great much easy to carry around and so on... at the same time, it will perform bad in low light conditions and the image quality perhaps wont be matching to that of the lowest end of DSLR. But then it will be far cheaper than DSLR..

DSLRs will be heavy, you will have to buy at lest 2-3 lenses to get the full range your IS 5 will be offereing. So an issue to carry around. Will be Quite expensive, but the image quality will be great..

If you want just to capture the moment... go for bridge camera like PAnasonic FZ18 or Fuji 8000 or Canon S5. If you want high quality pics...go for DSLR... [Perticularly in low light].

HPMr. Harry PotterFZ18, Hoya Polariser 46mm.....

Comment #7

G Rash wrote:.

Rachel:.

"The Canon is an excellent camera with built in lens stabilization, ahandy feature.".

What exactly is lens stabilization? is this what they have been calling IS? and is this something that DSLR do not have?..

Comment #8

Image stabilisation, vibration reduction, super-steady-shot... whatever they like to call it ... lessens camera shake, and that's helpful in dim light or when using long telephoto lenses. On some brands of DSLR (Olympus, Pentax, Sony) they have built stabilisation into the sensor mounted in the camera body... a great idea that stabilises ANY lens you care to attach..

To match the Canon S5is you'll need to fit an 18-250 Tamron lens (our similar) to get the same reach..

However, if you want one of those bridge (to SLR) cameras, then it would be a good idea to wait for the new Fuji S100. (See my "Back to the Bridge Camera" link below for a discussion of some of the issues involved..

John.Please visit me at:http://www.pbase.com/johnfr/backtothebridgehttp://www.pbase.com/johnfr/digital_dartmoor..

Comment #9

Depends somewhat what you want it for..

I was set to buy a D40 as my lense kit from my old Nikon Fil camera would have fitted- that was until I saw a panasonic fz50..

I use my camera primarily for photagraphing my travels around the Australian Bush and the Wildlife I see (mostly reptiles)the advantages were- No Dust issues (big SLR bugbear) changing lenses in dusty environments.

- Smalle, while still not small it fits in a back pack while walking alot easier than an SLR and lenses.

- Greater Zoom. the cost involved in getting a zoom lense let alone the size to compete with the panasonics max range of approx 700mm would be huge.

- price D40 are now quite cheap but at the time (over 12 months ago) the d40 was a fair bit more with my kit lenses probably being inferior to the leica glass of the panny anyway..

My mate with his 5 grand cannon pluss that again for lenses sneers at it but it suits me just fine..

Comment #10

A good analysis..

Basically, think hard about your needs. Based on that, a bridge or entry level could be either very useful or useless. Your needs will determine which way to go. Generally, in this forum, you will see more sophisticated users and hence a bias towards DSLRs..

Davoe wrote:.

Depends somewhat what you want it for.I was set to buy a D40 as my lense kit from my old Nikon Fil camerawould have fitted- that was until I saw a panasonic fz50.i use my camera primarily for photagraphing my travels around theAustralian Bush and the Wildlife I see (mostly reptiles)the advantages were- No Dust issues (big SLR bugbear) changing lenses in dusty environments- Smalle, while still not small it fits in a back pack while walkingalot easier than an SLR and lenses- Greater Zoom. the cost involved in getting a zoom lense let alonethe size to compete with the panasonics max range of approx 700mmwould be huge- price D40 are now quite cheap but at the time (over 12 months ago)the d40 was a fair bit more with my kit lenses probably beinginferior to the leica glass of the panny anyway.My mate with his 5 grand cannon pluss that again for lenses sneers atit but it suits me just fine.

Raj..

Comment #11

Rajeshs wrote:.

A good analysis.Basically, think hard about your needs. Based on that, a bridge orentry level could be either very useful or useless. Your needs willdetermine which way to go. Generally, in this forum, you will see moresophisticated users and hence a bias towards DSLRs..

Davoe wrote:.

Depends somewhat what you want it for.I was set to buy a D40 as my lense kit from my old Nikon Fil camerawould have fitted- that was until I saw a panasonic fz50.i use my camera primarily for photagraphing my travels around theAustralian Bush and the Wildlife I see (mostly reptiles)the advantages were- No Dust issues (big SLR bugbear) changing lenses in dusty environments- Smalle, while still not small it fits in a back pack while walkingalot easier than an SLR and lenses- Greater Zoom. the cost involved in getting a zoom lense let alonethe size to compete with the panasonics max range of approx 700mmwould be huge- price D40 are now quite cheap but at the time (over 12 months ago)the d40 was a fair bit more with my kit lenses probably beinginferior to the leica glass of the panny anyway.My mate with his 5 grand cannon pluss that again for lenses sneers atit but it suits me just fine.

Raj.

Forgot to add when taking Wildlife shots you will miss shots like this with a DSLR as you change to your telephoto lense you miss the shot.

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Comment #12

Hi:.

I think the big question you must ask yourself is what you will be doing with the camera. If all you will be doing is taking casual landscape and city scenes I would go for the Canon S5IS. However; if you plan on going on to more serious photography you will find the P&S camera will leave you dissatisfied. The lapse time between taking pictures is a big downside for P&S cameras...

Comment #13

Rae1116 wrote:.

So I thought I was all settled on the canon S5 IS, and then I went into work today and started talking to a coworker who is getting in tophotograpy. He suggested that for a little more I get the Nikon D40....

The D40 is a good camera..

I guess I just have a few question about it.1) The S5 is a 8.0 Megapixel camera, the D40 is only 6...if I go withthe D40 am I going to notice much of a difference considering themegapixel difference?.

You will not notice any difference. You will be able to print bigger with the D40 because it will take a clearer image than the S5 is capable of. Which kills any advantage that the S5 has in megapixels..

2) Assuming there isn't really that much of a difference is the D40 agood place to start with a DSLR?.

Absolutely. If you don't mind carrying the extra weight and swapping lenses, go for the D40..

3) Is there something in a DLSR and a comparible price range (499.00for the body and a 18-55mm lense) that would be better than the D40?.

I'm purchasing the Olympus E-510 for a bit more $$ (650.00 or so) with the 2 kit lenses. I'm going for the E-510 because it is lighter than smaller than most DSLRs. It has a smaller 4/3 sensor, but after cropping down for more standard print sizes the sensor size between the Oly and the Nikon are minimal (with the Nikon being slightly larger). The in-body Image Stabilization is also a great feature for me. You might consider if it is a camera that might be right for you as well. For me, size and weight are a big consideration because I have chronic back pain and the weight/size of a standard DSLR is a bit much for me to comfortably carry..

ThanksRachel.

You're welcome, and good luck with your purchase. P&S cameras are great for convenience and can't be completely ruled out, you just have to decide what is most important to you in a camera, and go with that. .

If you decide P&S is more to your liking, also consider the Panasonic FZ-18 (I have an FZ-8 and really like it. The Image Stabilization and lens quality is excellent IMHO)..

DK One man's art is another man's toilet paper.http://www.dkwhite.info..

Comment #14

You won't get these photo's with a compact or bridge camera. As suggested, you do have to decide on a convenient, light package vs one with more capability and demands on your time to learn. Some prefer one camera of each type for good reason..

This shot is in low light without flash where a bridge camera would suffer greatly. Pentax K100d SLR 43mm..

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This shot is with a lens wider than any name brand bridge camera offers. (It is also post-processed, but that is not relevant to the point.) Pentax K100d SLR 14mm..

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To be fair I might as well show a shot with a compact combined with an auxiliary lens for a wider angle than is normally possible. Canon A640 with Raynox 6600 wide angle adapter..

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Comment #15

Mrxdimension wrote:.

You won't get these photo's with a compact or bridge camera. Assuggested, you do have to decide on a convenient, light package vsone with more capability and demands on your time to learn. Someprefer one camera of each type for good reason..

This shot is in low light without flash where a bridge camera wouldsuffer greatly. Pentax K100d SLR 43mm..

Image control:Zoom outZoom 100%Zoom inExpand AllOpen in new window.

This shot is with a lens wider than any name brand bridge cameraoffers. (It is also post-processed, but that is not relevant to thepoint.) Pentax K100d SLR 14mm..

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To be fair I might as well show a shot with a compact combined withan auxiliary lens for a wider angle than is normally possible. CanonA640 with Raynox 6600 wide angle adapter..

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As I said it dpends what the camera is for I take no art type shots like those as that is not what I got the camera for..

Comment #16

Thanks, I don't consider those photo's art. They're more like snapshots. I pretty much agree with your statement about bridge cameras. I was just pointing out that there are certain types of shots that a bridge camera isn't good at. Very wide angle and low light being two examples...

Comment #17

I really appriciate all the feedback. I still haven't quiet decided...Part of me says just go for and get the DSLR...I do like to dable in the more artistic type photograph already and I know that a DSLR, after the learning curve, would improve my photo's greatly. On the other hand I also like the convienance of having a relatively small powerful P & S in my pocket to capture those random moments without having lug around lenses...ugh the decision..

Also I've heard rumors of an S6 and I'm wondering if I decided to go with the P &S if it might not be in my better interest to wait for that to be released....

Decisions decisions...

Comment #18

Your best value may be getting a second hand camera in good condition. A store warranty is worthwhile IMHO. Do beware of the outfit selling used gears. B&H photo and KEH.com are reputable..

If you wait for an S6 to come out it's price point will be at maximum. You might want to look at a used S3. Many manufacturer's have just announced new models. You may be able to find good deals on used equipment since some people will be upgrading their gear soon and selling their current equipment..

If you plan to use any new camera on vacation in a few months get one soon, you'll need time to learn the camera..

Please do look at all the major brands before you decide...

Comment #19

Rae1116 wrote:.

So I thought I was all settled on the canon S5 IS, and then I went into work today and started talking to a coworker who is getting in tophotograpy. He suggested that for a little more I get the Nikon D40....

I guess I just have a few question about it.1) The S5 is a 8.0 Megapixel camera, the D40 is only 6...if I go withthe D40 am I going to notice much of a difference considering themegapixel difference?.

Not unless you buy both cameras and do A-B comparisons! If you do, you'll notice that the D40 takes much better pictures, especially when in dim light..

2) Assuming there isn't really that much of a difference is the D40 agood place to start with a DSLR?.

Sure..

3) Is there something in a DLSR and a comparible price range (499.00for the body and a 18-55mm lense) that would be better than the D40?.

Perhaps not better, but at least different. Better is pretty subjective! Look at the Pentax K100D and as has already been mentioned the Oly E510/E410..

Perhaps you will appreciate the rules for buying a camera:.

1. Buy the biggest piece of Silicon (ie, sensor) you can afford.2. Buy the FEWEST number of pixels you can put up with.3. Buy a camera that fits your hands.4. Buy a camera that is intuitive (ie, don't have to read the manual).5. Read the @#$%ing manual anyway!.

6. Find friends who like you for something other than the brand of camera you use..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #20

Despite throwing a personal foul on you a few weeks ago Charlie I like your style and agree with your advice. Number six sure does ring true...

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