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Well, I probably should have searched further for this answer, but let me ask the question.......

I just decided to get back into digital photography. I pulled out the EOS 10D and purchased a new EOS 40D and am on a tear..

Right now, I am shooting JPEGs only, and probably will for the forseeable future as I reaquaint myself with some basics, and learn about my camera..

I want to buy a PP software program that I can do some VERY basic things with on the pictures that I am shooting, but that will also have the advanced features I may want/need as I progress and maybe start experimenting with RAW files. I am also interested in any opinioins on archival/storage programs that let me catalog files (Picasa etc)..

Any recommendations on the PP or cataloging software, or is there ONE solution that is good at both for new and advanced users?.

Oh, and I am PC user....Windows Vista Home Premium..

Thanks!!!!..

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It sounds like you may want to look at Photoshop Elements 5, or now, Paint Shop Pro X2. These are excellent editors and both will also work with RAW files if you choose to go that route. Elements requires a free plug in (Adobe Camera Raw) to work with raw files, and PSP X2 has raw editing built in..

Your camera might come with a raw converter program or editor as well, and will more than likely read your raw camera settings better than any 3rd party program will, but usually the camera manufacurer raw editors do only very basic core image editing (but don't underestimate the power of these editors - others can't touch what they can do to correct and improve your images sometimes). If you wish to enhance your images further (cloning, working with layers, etc), you will still need a 3rd party application like Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro..

PhotoShop CS may be overkill since you said you wanted to do some basic things for now, and there are plenty of people who have used both CS and Elements and rarely use CS because Elements covers most of what they need, for a fraction of the price. Both Elements and PSP X2 will do what you are asking for, and allow you to grow with your Post Processing..

However, where Elements 5 has (I think) a good photo organizer and cataloging system, the one in PSP X2 really is not intended to be used as a cataloging system although it can be used that way (each goes about it differently, and I find the Elements organizer better suited to my needs); but I'm beginning to see (IMHO) that X2 has much more advanced editing tools, gives better results and is easier to use than Elements..

My current workflow, as it stands right now is:.

1. Shoot raw.2. Adjust photos if needed using Nikon Capture NX, then export to jpeg from NX.3. Import jpegs to PSE 5 Organizer.4. Edit jpegs using Paint Shop Pro X2 (or PSE 5)..

There are more applications out there, but I cannot comment on them as I have no experience with them..

Albert-O.

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Comment #1

I've started a trial of ACDSee Pro 2, and so far, I'm quite impressed. Very good catalog capabilities, and quite a nice photo editor as well.You can get a 30 day trial here:.

Http://store.digitalriver.com/servlet/ControllerServletjsessionid=11b47d8d07c14dc99078e6a06c9b2ea7?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=acd&id=ProductDetailsPage&productID=78701700.

Smackdown wrote:.

Well, I probably should have searched further for this answer, butlet me ask the question.......

I just decided to get back into digital photography. I pulled out theEOS 10D and purchased a new EOS 40D and am on a tear..

Right now, I am shooting JPEGs only, and probably will for theforseeable future as I reaquaint myself with some basics, and learnabout my camera..

I want to buy a PP software program that I can do some VERY basicthings with on the pictures that I am shooting, but that will alsohave the advanced features I may want/need as I progress and maybestart experimenting with RAW files. I am also interested in anyopinioins on archival/storage programs that let me catalog files(Picasa etc)..

Any recommendations on the PP or cataloging software, or is there ONEsolution that is good at both for new and advanced users?.

Oh, and I am PC user....Windows Vista Home Premium..

Thanks!!!!.

PatcoA photograph is more than a bunch of pixels..

Comment #2

Get LightRoom 1.2 and Photoshop Elements 5.0....

LR is a revolutionary photo database. In addition, it will do basic adjustments to color, crop, do simple NR and sharpening. It works with both RAW and JPEG files..

If you need to do selections and layers, get PSE5..

LR and PSE5 work well together!.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #3

I'm not sure I would recommend Lightroom to a person in the OP's situation..

My reason is that PSE handles basic raw development quite well all by itself via ACR. And while it's built-in organizer is far from the greatest in the world (probably ACDSee Pro2, there), it does enough for the guy/gal starting out..

I don't think Lightroom really comes into it's own until you've got the need for high volume or high speed output. Don't get me wrong I use Lightroom, I like Lightroom, but I think PSE 5 by itself is more than enough to meet the OP's stated needs.STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #4

Glen Barrington wrote:.

I'm not sure I would recommend Lightroom to a person in the OP'ssituation..

My reason is that PSE handles basic raw development quite well all byitself via ACR. And while it's built-in organizer is far from thegreatest in the world (probably ACDSee Pro2, there), it does enoughfor the guy/gal starting out..

I don't think Lightroom really comes into it's own until you've gotthe need for high volume or high speed output. Don't get me wrong Iuse Lightroom, I like Lightroom, but I think PSE 5 by itself is morethan enough to meet the OP's stated needs.STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at myphotos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington.

While loath to disagree with you, because you are one of the sensible ones here on the forums..

I don't think that it's a bad thing to have good cataloging tools available to you even it you don't put out thousands of photos a day. It doesn't take long to accumulate several thousand photos and then trying to find that one you remember can take quite a while unless your very well organized. Lightroom makes it easy to be organized (particularly if you read Martin Evenings Book "The Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Book"). And the OP did ask about cataloging software specifically.A member of the rabble in good standing...

Comment #5

Thanks for the kind words, but I'm really no more rational than the rest. I suspect we are all Bozos on this bus. So don't toss that dwarf, hand me the pliers..

Your points are well taken, but I was thinking in terms of getting the most 'bang for the buck'. Even a highly motivated beginner may want to hedge his or her bets, and buy the one program that will give them the most functionality for the dollar..

If so, I think PSE, by itself, is good enough to take the OP pretty far down the road to advanced status. And then, it certainly becomes a reasonable decision to buy an advanced Org/presentation package like Lightroom or ACDSee. In my opinion, one of those two additional purchases may well render the need for CS3 or equivalent unneccessary. But I don't think, for many people at least, the additions need to be purchased right off.STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #6

...the OP said he was a fast learner. I figured why not start out right and not have to convert later?.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #7

Haven't seen the pliers for the last week......

But you can test drive for free almost all this software for 30 days. And I encourage the OP, if he/she is still reading this thread, to do so..

It wasn't untill I took Lightroom for a test drive that I fell in love with the ease of use and time saved. I almost never use my photomangler anymore. And I suspect a lot of people would agree with me that Lightroom does all the common chores quickly and easily..

Lightzone is probably another one that should be taken for a test drive. I didn't like it quite as much as I liked Lightroom but others rave about it.A member of the rabble in good standing...

Comment #8

LM1 wrote:.

Lightzone is probably another one that should be taken for a testdrive. I didn't like it quite as much as I liked Lightroom butothers rave about it..

I agree...LR is more "fun" than LZ. But it's the software of choice of some people. By all means, do the free 30-day trials of any expensive software you consider..

If you want a good preview of LR, go here (it's free):.

Http://www.whibalhost.com/_Tutorials/Photoshop_LR/01/index.html.

LR is a bit different than other apparently similar programs and this video helped me understand the paradigm!.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700 & Sony R1HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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