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Which to choose?Olympus e-510Sony a200Nikon D70 (used)Canon 20D (used).

All in the same price range.....

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...personal preference....I have one......

Would need to know your needs more to offer suggestions..

Have you looked at the 'Buying Guide' at the upper left of this screen...you can enter what you want and it will match up a camera for you..

Good luck!LucyE- 510, 40-150 and 14-54 lens!U ZI owner!Olympus C30-20Zhttp://www.pbase.com/lucyFCAS Member #98, Oly Division'Photography is the art of seeing what others do not.'.

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Comment #1

Lots of people will reply to this question and they will undoubtably recommend the camera thet they have, although they probably haven't extensively tried the others. Most people like to think they have spent their money wisely, that is why this is. To admit they bought the wrong camera is not done..

Having said that, I own a D70 and a 20D. Shock horror, someone with allegiance in both camps! Unheard of. Well it's true. So I can't talk about the other three because I have no idea about them..

But between the two I own and use? Sorry to be boring but they are both great cameras and I would pick either up if I had to, and do! And we also have a D200 and a D2x in our stable so that says a lot about the two cameras. We did also have an Olympus E1 but that is a bit old hat now. I also have a Sony P&S which is magic, but not in the same class as the A200 I guess.Good luck with your choice.Jules.

ZJLM wrote:.

Which to choose?Olympus e-510Sony a200Nikon D70 (used)Canon 20D (used).

All in the same price range....

Why can't you blow bubbles with chewing gum?..

Comment #2

Buy whatever camera you like more. I would consider Canon and Nikon if you want to add some lens afterwards..

With Sony and Olympus you have in-body stabilization. Olympus has a small sensor and good kit lens. Sony has quite bad kit lens..

You may consider a new Nikon D80 or even Nikon D40 (if you want primes that's not a good solution presently).My advice is to make the decision quite quickly and start enjoying the new toy.Good light! Good location! Right moment!VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #3

Baloo_buc wrote:.

Buy whatever camera you like more. I would consider Canon and Nikonif you want to add some lens afterwards..

Not that old one again!.

Sony has plenty of lenses available for all but the most ardent amateur and are adding all the time. There are lots of third party lenses to choose from and 75 different Minolta AF lenses available on the second hand market, most have very good performance and ALL have image stabilisation (unlike Canon and Nikon lenses). Doesn't the Nikon D40 only autofocus on a restricted range of new Nikkor lenses?.

With Sony and Olympus you have in-body stabilization. Olympus has asmall sensor and good kit lens. Sony has quite bad kit lens..

The kit lens on the Sony is way better than the Canon kit lens, it's a reasonable performer for a kit lens and has a better range than either the Canon or Nikon kit lenses..

The Sony A200 has been getting great reviews and delivers super image quality. It would make a great first DSLR. Canon and Nikon make great cameras but there are worthy alternatives worth looking at..

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Comment #4

Here's the Head Explosion Prevention Truth..

It doesn't matter which one you buy. Buy one. Start shooting..

Eventually, you'll be dissatisfied with the camera, or it will break, or get stolen...and you'll have another camera. You aren't getting married or getting a tattoo..

Just buy one. Be happy and move on...

Comment #5

Modern cameras are very complicated things and much can go wrong. As entry level cameras are so affordably priced you really have no reason not to buy new..

Get Olympus if you like the smaller form factor camera and lens which is made possible by the 4:3 sensor format, and are happy to stick with a limited range of Olympus lenses which can be quite expensive.

Get Sony if you like the larger APS-C sized sensor and don't mind the additional size and weight of camera and lens. Two advantages with Sony:.

1: As well as Sony lenses you will also have access to all the old Minolta autofocus lenses, and many from third party makers like Sigma and Tamron..

2: You will be able to crop in post processing a little more tightly than with the Olympus thanks to the larger sensor..

If on the other hand you definitely intend to get into photography very seriously (commercially) then opt for Canon or Nikon, preferably new. They have the class leading systems..

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Comment #6

I go for the newer technology, so from your list either the Oly or Sony...

Comment #7

New beats used, generally..

In addition to the warranty, we seem to be in a world where the pace of improvements and the pace of declining prices results in new bottom of the line cameras being better than older middle of the line cameras..

BAK..

Comment #8

John farrar wrote:.

Get Olympus if you like the smaller form factor camera and lens whichis made possible by the 4:3 sensor format, and are happy to stickwith a limited range of Olympus lenses which can be quite expensive.

All of Oly's lenses are designed for digital... see how many sony lenses can say that and the ones they do have are going to be every bit as expensive comparing like to like..

Buying used can manage cost a bit but if you note all lenses above the standard grade range are sealed(keeps dust out) lenses then you'll see why they cost a bit and are a match or exceeds the competition more often than not. I also expect for someone starting they more than cover whatever one needs quite nicely and at different price points..

2: You will be able to crop in post processing a little more tightlythan with the Olympus thanks to the larger sensor..

(marginally larger sensor that is).

Add the fact that the Oly glass is going to be better than the sony glass and you'll be able to crop quite nicely thank you. I can still crop a 5mp E1 file to get a 12x15 image that is quite striking..

Bottom line, newer is better. Oly has dust reduction that actually works as opposed to the rest. the upgrade lenses while not as plentiful as others are exceptional and more than able to serve the needs of someone getting into the hobby or career even. you can't go wrong with any of them but IMO the Oly wins that list by a good bit and when you consider the lenses it's a done deal...

Comment #9

Freealfas wrote:.

(marginally larger sensor that is)>>.

Sorry, even though you might not have meant to say it without proper context, I can't let that one go as it is disengenuous..

30-40% smaller than APS-C is NOT 'marginal' by any stretch of the imagination..

Actually I quite like Olympus digital cameras, and think their lenses - apart from the technically difficult real wide angles - are great. You'll not get quite such good background blurring at wide aperture with 4:3 as the DOF is deeper than APS-C however..

For interesting info on the 4:3 system see here and visit the various sub-sections:.

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Thirds_System.

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Comment #10

John farrar wrote:.

Modern cameras are very complicated things and much can go wrong..

But, in practice, very few things actually do go wrong..

What vehicle was more reliable? A Model T or a Toyota Prius?..

Comment #11

I assume you're going to use the camera, which means that you're going to buy lenses and shot subjects..

How many lenses? What budget? What sorts of subjects? Plans to buy more lenses next year? When do you plan to upgrade?.

If you're thinking of building a long-lived system, you might lean more heavily to the Canon and Nikon stuff. But Sony apparently is pretty decent. Remember: your lenses will likely outlast your body, so think in system and longer-term perspective. Any of the cameras in your list will let you take excellent photos..

Abbott..

Comment #12

Thanks for your advice.I think I wont get used then - warranty is nice to have.Olympus would probably be a bit too expensive because of the lenses.I won't get an entry-level Nikon because of the restrictions regarding lenses..

Where does that leave me? Sony, entry level Canon, mid range Nikon or Pentax..

I supose I'll just wait and see what I can get a good deal on as soon as I have the money..

And yeah - no matter what I'll probably get a great camera. And after having played a bit with the kit lens I'll get a nice low light prime, a 18-135-ish zoom and a wide angle zoom. In that order ..

Comment #13

John farrar wrote:.

Freealfas wrote:.

(marginally larger sensor that is)>>.

Sorry, even though you might not have meant to say it without propercontext, I can't let that one go as it is disengenuous..

No offense, but your reply is actually more so....

30-40% smaller than APS-C is NOT 'marginal' by any stretch of theimagination..

Yes it is, because you simply do not get 30-40% better image quality with the bigger sensor. For most uses the difference is completely negligible. Or do you also say a P&S cam with a sensor 1/10th the size also only delivers 1/10th the quality ? It's not only about the size of the sensor but also the technology involved in it. Otherwise all sensors with the same size and megapixel count would deliver the same..

Actually I quite like Olympus digital cameras, and think their lenses- apart from the technically difficult real wide angles - are great.You'll not get quite such good background blurring at wide aperturewith 4:3 as the DOF is deeper than APS-C however..

Actually it's possible to get quite good and smooth bokeh if you want to. The DOF is deeper than APS-C though, which is not necessarily a bad thing as this depends on what kind of pictures the photographer makes.....

Comment #14

For most uses the difference is completely negligible.>>.

Really? Maybe for anything other that busy pro-use or unless you are a dedicated pixel-peeper it doesn't matter too much. Yet there have been many times when I wish I'd brought the DSLR along with me rather than the small sensor-equipped P&S in my pocket. So size does matter, and it matters more the smaller the sensor you are using, and also the less noisy a sensor is the better as well..

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Comment #15

John farrar wrote:.

Really? Maybe for anything other that busy pro-use or unless you area dedicated pixel-peeper it doesn't matter too much. Yet there havebeen many times when I wish I'd brought the DSLR along with me ratherthan the small sensor-equipped P&S in my pocket. So size does matter,and it matters more the smaller the sensor you are using, and alsothe less noisy a sensor is the better as well..

I guess the busy pro's that are using them(Oly's that is) didn't get that memo then..

But we're not talking pro's here as the OP simply needs a camera that will take a great image and the e510 as well as others are more than capable of that..

And for pocket sized dslr, an E420 with the 28mm pancake for you perhaps to solve your many times leaving home without a dslr? just a thought.....

Comment #16

I guess the busy pro's that are using them(Oly's that is) didn't get that memo then.>>.

I like travelling light and I'm intriqued now.... Any busy pros on this board using Olympus DSLRs in preference to those with APS-C or Full Frame sensors?.

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Comment #17

ZJLM wrote:.

Which to choose?Olympus e-510Sony a200Nikon D70 (used)Canon 20D (used).

All in the same price range....

Well, all thses different suggestions might have exploded your head already . I used Sony A100, now using A700. I use $50 lenses on it and they are all stabilized. Check Adorama, KEH, B&H, ebay for used minolta lenses, there are amazing lenses out there, much better than all the kit lenses.. cheap and stabilized. BTW, A200 is uch better than A100 and has very fast and accurate focussing system which is at par with A700 and A700 is at par with Canon 40D and Nikon D300..

I'll not force you(No one should), but please try all the models in a local shop and decide, eargonomics, handling menu, control all makes a difference.ThanksAyan (Sonian)..

Comment #18

Well that's what I did yesterday - went to the local camera shop with my wife and tried the available models - lo and behold - both of us agreed that the a200 was the way to go, got a nice deal on it and now I finally have a new toy. So far I am extremely satisfied ..

Comment #19

MaryGierth wrote:.

Enjoy your new camera!.

I will and I am - so much to learn and so much better results than I get from my otherwise brilliant Fuji F30 ..

Comment #20

ZJLM wrote:.

Well that's what I did yesterday - went to the local camera shop withmy wife and tried the available models - lo and behold - both of usagreed that the a200 was the way to go, got a nice deal on it and nowI finally have a new toy. So far I am extremely satisfied .

Congrats. Its a potential camera. Buy a flash .. you'll be able to do magic with it.ThanksAyan (Sonian)..

Comment #21

Now.

I finally have a new toy. So far I am extremely satisfied .

Congrats. Its a potential camera. Buy a flash .. you'll be able to domagic with it.ThanksAyan (Sonian).

Thanks - will do. But first on my list is the Minolta AF 50mm f1.7  If I can find it in Denmark that is.....

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