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Pentax K200D or Olympus E-520 for 1st DSLR?
I am just becoming interested in photography and am looking to purchase my first DSLR. I expect there to be a learning curve, but I hope to be able to learn via mostly online tutorials and maybe a book or two as well as constructive criticism from sites like this..

Most of my photos will be vacation photos or photos of my infant daughter as she grows up..

I am currently researching models of cameras and seem to have it narrowed down to either the Pentax K200D or Olympus E-520. The main reasons for these two are the reasonable prices considering the quality lenses that accompany the cameras as well as the in-camera image stabilization. I will probably never have more than 3 lenses unless I really get into it more in the future and I would like to keep the cost of lenses down as well..

Can anyone comment on my current camera choices? Why should I pick one over the other? Should I be considering a Nikon D60 or Sony a350 instead?.

Thanks for your help...I appreciate it!..

Comments (15)

Pretty hard choice. I have the Pentax and the E410. Money for money and feature for feature they are pretty equal. The Olympus has live view, but the Pentax has a wonderful viewfinder. Look through both of them and you won't believe the difference. The Pentax is weather sealed and the kit lens might be a little better than the Olympus one, but the Olympus body with the two lens kit is very hard to pass up.

Similar size and weight. The Pentax will let you use AA batteries. I could probably go on and on. If I had to give either of mine up, it would only take me a second to give the Olympus away.Dave Lewis..

Comment #1

You should consider all the major brands and judge the look and feel for yourself, as well as the cost of accessories..

You'll want- a camera bag- a spare set of batteries- a spare memory card- cleaning kit. Giotto's rocket blower, microfiber cloth, lens pencil.- a photo editor for your computer (many good ones are 0 cost or low cost)- probably a strobe.

Typically the one lens kit is a moderately wide angle to slightly telephoto. A two lens kit extends the telephoto range. Another typical lens is a fast prime (fixed focal length, no zoom, f/1.8 or f/1.4) for low light use. For Pentax the bargain is the FA 50 f/1.4, I'm not sure what the Oly equivalent is...

Comment #2

You bring up a few good points there:.

I already have plenty of Eneloop batteries that would work with the Pentax and I also have a 4GB SDHC card that would work for the Pentax. Not to mention that the Pentax is under $550 right now on Amazon with the $100 rebate..

About software: I currently have Paint Shop Pro Photo X2 and also play around with some freebies like Irfanview, Paint.NET, Picasa. I am not opposed to purchasing other software if needed, but I suspect these will suit my needs..

Can anyone comment on which is easier to learn for someone who has never used a DSLR?..

Comment #3

All of the ones you mention are good. I don't know anything about Canon, but there is the Canon 450 as well..

You want to create some discriminants for yourself. If you read technical reviews they tell you technical features about each model. That's fine. But some people over-intrepret sentences and nuances written by reviewers. A reviewer is after all human and there will be some opinions..

Discriminants I can throw at you:.

1. Feel the body skin, weight, balance. With a kit lens and with any lens that you have an eye on. More expensive lenses may weight heavier be more bulky etc.....

2. It's not easy but have a look at all the buttons and menu style. You will get used to the camera you pick but that's another thing which is obviously different between models..

3. You can start with kit lenses - they are the cheapest and for the general shooter. However, even a generalist may have specialised needs. For example, for taking indoor shots of babies and kids without flash, you may want a lens with a bright aperture. For taking product shots of eBay items, you may want a lens (macro) that can focus near. etc......

4. Have look if you can at the brand philosophy. All these brands including Sony have been in business for a long time. They have certain slants and that affects their design or purpose limitation in each model. Some brands are happy to serve entry level prices so they will throw a lot of features in. Some brands are used to serving pros who have $$$ and demands for robustness and the ultimate in their line of work - they may produce pro cameras that are excellent but their entry level cameras may be purposely limited so as not to grab market share..

At the end of the day, the human shoots the camera and the human makes the decision. And humans don't always use cold or correct logic in their choices..

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Comment #4

Inputusername wrote:.

I already have plenty of Eneloop batteries that would work with thePentax and I also have a 4GB SDHC card that would work for thePentax. Not to mention that the Pentax is under $550 right now onAmazon with the $100 rebate..

Any criteria is criteria. Those would not be my criteria. I used to champion NiMh or AA batteries because you can get quickies everywhere when you are travelling. Truth is, they don't have a high density of energy and are big or don't last very long..

My LiIon Olympus battery in the DSLR lasts the whole day. I have two..

Memory cards - for a time, I used to get upset that there were so many different types. My worst like is xD. Now, I don't really care. The cost of standard speed cards for 2Gb and 4Gb is like nothing compared to the cost of petrol. If you want a high speed, latest card, yes, that costs a lot. But generally you only buy a couple and then hope to save the stuff to hard disk.....

About software: I currently have Paint Shop Pro Photo X2 and alsoplay around with some freebies like Irfanview, Paint.NET, Picasa. Iam not opposed to purchasing other software if needed, but I suspectthese will suit my needs..

Can anyone comment on which is easier to learn for someone who hasnever used a DSLR?.

Photo Editing programs have nothing to do with using a DSLR. People can go creative with these programs even using point and shoots..

Some people only want to use the industry standard. That is Photoshop. Others are happy with similar programs - Paint Shop, The GIMP. Others like a mishmash like Paint.NET, PhotoFiltre etc... Others want to do the minimum like Picasa, Faststone etc....

It's a personal choice and reflects how much work you want to put in after shooting..

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Comment #5

Dave Lewis wrote:.

Pretty hard choice. I have the Pentax and the E410. Money for moneyand feature for feature they are pretty equal. The Olympus has liveview, but the Pentax has a wonderful viewfinder. Look through both ofthem and you won't believe the difference. The Pentax is weathersealed and the kit lens might be a little better than the Olympusone, but the Olympus body with the two lens kit is very hard to passup.

Similar size andweight. The Pentax will let you use AA batteries. I could probably goon and on. If I had to give either of mine up, it would only take mea second to give the Olympus away.Dave Lewis.

It seems the Highlight clipping is at least somewhat fixed with the 420/520 models. I tried the Pentax and even though I liked it quite a lot (weather seal is great!!!!), I liked the feel and the colors from the Oly a little better..

Olympus E-510 w/ dual kit lenses (28-84mm/80-300mm equiv. 35mm)Canon XTi 400D w/ dual lenses (28-88mm/120-480mm equiv. 35mm)..

Comment #6

Is an advantage for many situations. It makes focus a little less critical. I use my little e410 for my product shots now, which are not quite macro but pretty close. The depth of field lets me keep it all in focus much more easily. The little camera is just a lovely little piece, but the highlights problem is a no go for my western bright sky bright water pictures. The Pentax is much better in that regard and makes the Olympus stay in the case most of the time when I'm at my Montana home.Dave Lewis..

Comment #7

I agree that small lithiums are just wonderful, very powerful and hold a charge for a good long time, but for light weight and great power it is hard to beat Energizer e2 litium AA's they will get you at least 1500 shots, almost 3000 on my K100D and are so light the four of them probably don't weigh much more than the little Olympus battery. The eneloops are great too, but much heavier, hold a charge forever and are very very powerful. AA's of that capacity and durability are every bit the equal of dedicated lithiums. I used to hate AA nimh batteries, because they were always dead or dying, but these I mention are just great.Dave Lewis..

Comment #8

Advantages for Pentax K200D-roughly $150 cheaper-weather sealed body-slightly better IQ?-better AF?.

Advantages for Olympus E-520-smaller, lighter body and lenses-better styling-better colors for images?-can purchase with 2 quality kit lenses.

Things I am still interested in learning:.

-which camera will be easier to learn and operate for a newbie?.

-which camera will offer the best set of reasonably priced lenses for most situations (pics of kids, vacations, outdoors) if you were only ever going to purchase 3 lenses?.

-which system will offer more longevity so as not to have to replace those 3 lenses when the time comes to replace the body?..

Comment #9

Olympus lenses, beyond the kit level ones, are more expensive than many others, but are superb quality. Your other questions come up pretty even. I have a full Canon system, with three bodies and a lot of good lenses, a full Pentax system with five bodies and some good lenses and the little Olympus e410 with it's two kit lenses..

Honestly, the Olympus is just not quite the equal of the Pentax K200D in pretty much all categories, when you consider it's better price it would be really hard to go for the Olympus. Keep in mind that the 4/3 system is a bit of a maverick. I wouldn't suggest for one minute that it is not going to be here tomorrow, but it does have some compromises the others do both from the sensor size and the likelihood of future splintering where not all the equipment offerings will be equally compatible across the board from the various manufacturers who build for the format. Right at the present there are some incompatibilities that are departures from the original intentions. Like anything else trying to standardize but still accommodate competition is always skating fine lines.Dave Lewis..

Comment #10

Dave Lewis wrote:.

Honestly, the Olympus is just not quite the equal of the Pentax K200Din pretty much all categories, when you consider it's better price itwould be really hard to go for the Olympus..

How do you know that the e520 is not equal ? .

Do you own one and made comparisons ? .

Keep in mind that the 4/3 system is a bit of a maverick..

But a very successful one....

I wouldn't suggest for one minute thatit is not going to be here tomorrow, but it does have somecompromises the others do both from the sensor size and thelikelihood of future splintering where not all the equipmentofferings will be equally compatible across the board from thevarious manufacturers who build for the format..

Do you have something to back this up or is that only your impression ? .

Right at the presentthere are some incompatibilities that are departures from theoriginal intentions..

Like what ? .

Like anything else trying to standardize butstill accommodate competition is always skating fine lines..

And what exactly are you talking about ?

Comment #11

To reply individually to all of your contentious responses. Only to suggest that all of what all of us write in these forums is pretty much opinion. That is after all what the original poster was asking, for folks opinions of the similarities and differences of a couple cameras..

I will suggest that my comparisons of the performance of the e410 sensor to that of the e520 to the Pentax is relatively valid. Having owned five Pentaxes and one Olympus, I'm sure I can speak with a lot more experience than many in these forums often do..

I can sense in your defensive reply that you are probably looking for something to substantiate your feelings for Olympus. All I can suggest is that you are totally right in those feelings and have no real need to defend them.Dave Lewis..

Comment #12

Between the two you mentioned, they are both exceptional cameras. In fact, you will have a hard time buying a bad entry level camera..

That said, my choice of those two would be the Pentax for the larger sensor and better weather protection. The Oly for the better kit lens package..

IMO, with Hoya owning Pentax, you're likely to see some fantastic lenses in the future. Oly non-kit lenses tend to be very good, but expensive..

I like the Nikon D60 best of all and the Sony least of all. It's just my opiniion, but I believe that Nikon offers the best price verses quality of any company. I think Oly is right there with them, but a little higher and not as many Oly choices..

This is all just my opinion..

Cheers, Craig..

Comment #13

Dave Lewis wrote:.

Olympus lenses, beyond the kit level ones, are more expensive thanmany others, but are superb quality..

If you want to trawl the second hand markets for AF lenses, the Sony A200, A300 are good because they take Minolta AF lenses from film..

If you want to trawl the second hand markets MF lenses, the Four Thirds cameras (Oly 510 e.g.) is good because they can, with cheap eBay adapters take M42 screw, Pentax K, Nikon, Olympus, Minolta, Konica mounts..

If you want to buy only new AF lenses at the cheapest prices, then pick a body that Tamron, Sigma, Tokina make lenses for. However cheapest lenses don't mean sharpest or quality lenses..

If you want brand new, cheap and sharp Olympus Digital lenses, the following are reasonable priced given the good sharpness:.

# the 14-42mm wide/standard/medium tele zoom (kit lens)# the 40-150mm medium/longer tele zoom (second kit lens)# the 75-300mm long without carrying a bazooka zoom# the 9-18mm super wide zoom# the 25mm pancake prime.

Note the 300mm on the Oly is 600mm on a 35mm camera - needs bright sun though..

Your other questions come uppretty even. I have a full Canon system, with three bodies and a lotof good lenses, a full Pentax system with five bodies and some goodlenses and the little Olympus e410 with it's two kit lenses..

Five Pentax bodies does mean you have a feeling for Pentax above Olympus. Just for disclosure reasons. I have one Olympus DSLR..

Honestly, the Olympus is just not quite the equal of the Pentax K200Din pretty much all categories, when you consider it's better price itwould be really hard to go for the Olympus. Keep in mind that the 4/3.

Eh? Not from my perspective of model transitions and costs June 2008..

I was searching for a DSLR Feb 2008. Considered all entry level brands..

Nikon D40 - felt it, read about it - impressive feel, classy. 6MP bothered me because 6MP is receding and 10MP is coming in. The replacement is the D60 but you can still get D40 brand new. I would say the D60 dual kit lens is good value, however, Nikon is understated in up front features. I have Nikon buddies, I like their equipment..

Pentax K100D - similar pricing to the Nikon D40 - has in body IS. Felt it, was put off by the Sigma lenses that were commonly packaged with it - the felt sandy both in the zoom and the rubber. Made it to the shortlist but nope. Liked the Pentax K10D but price was high. Now we have the K200D. But Both have slipped from "flavour of the month" - people are raving at features of the Canon 450D, the Sony A350 or the Sony A200 or the Olympus outgoing range or the incoming range..

Canon EOS 400D and subsequently the 450D. I have seen photo quality that is good. I have never bought Canon, even during film days, was tempted to but two factors were deal breakers - the grip on the right hand was not good on the 400D and looks like Canon make expensive super lenses, big stuff - I get dizzy with the catalogue - and I have no Canon DSLR buddies to show and tell..

Sony A200 or A350 - Sony A100 was not interesting before I bought, then at the time I bought, the A200 appeared. I had seen no reviews yet, but the feel in the hand is good. Now, I notice even though the A200 is a brand new model, it is aggressively priced. I think it's quite good. The A350 sounded even better until I held it - but I don't like the left / right body balance..

The Oly 510? I got that. Would I have wanted the 520 at the 510 price? Yes..

System is a bit of a maverick. I wouldn't suggest for one minute that.

Yes, it is a maverick. It works though and I have had a fun time, playing with my legacy Minolta MF lenses, my Vivitar MF lenses on it..

Various manufacturers who build for the format. Right at the presentthere are some incompatibilities that are departures from theoriginal intentions. Like anything else trying to standardize butstill accommodate competition is always skating fine lines..

Yes, that is one of the risks. But the camera you have is the camera you use. As long as you don't need more stuff for it, obsolescence is not a disaster like if you bought a Sony Beta tape recorder and everything is VHS now..

You can put a lot of energy into picking a camera and want 10, 20 year longevity. Yeah. A camera at these entry level prices is not a house. or a car. or a marriage. Some people get into those which have more impact financially and in your life than an camera and three lenses..

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Comment #14

AnandaSim wrote:.

Nikon D40 - felt it, read about it - impressive feel, classy. 6MPbothered me because 6MP is receding and 10MP is coming in. Thereplacement is the D60 but you can still get D40 brand new. I wouldsay the D60 dual kit lens is good value, however, Nikon isunderstated in up front features. I have Nikon buddies, I like theirequipment..

Yeah, I've used the D40, just an extremely nice piece, very small and light and with a good lens and produced wonderful images if but a little over processed plasicy in comparison to Pentax and Olympus..

Pentax K100D - similar pricing to the Nikon D40 - has in body IS.Felt it, was put off by the Sigma lenses that were commonly packagedwith it - the felt sandy both in the zoom and the rubber. Made it tothe shortlist but nope. Liked the Pentax K10D but price was high. Nowwe have the K200D. But Both have slipped from "flavour of the month"- people are raving at features of the Canon 450D, the Sony A350 orthe Sony A200 or the Olympus outgoing range or the incoming range..

I have the K100D, very capable but honestly a step below the K200D for several reasons, sensor resolution, weather resistence, basically the K10d with the problems worked out..

Canon EOS 400D and subsequently the 450D. I have seen photo qualitythat is good. I have never bought Canon, even during film days, wastempted to but two factors were deal breakers - the grip on the righthand was not good on the 400D and looks like Canon make expensivesuper lenses, big stuff - I get dizzy with the catalogue - and I haveno Canon DSLR buddies to show and tell..

I have a 400D, my 7th Canon and the best so far but for my 5D which is as big and heavy as a house. The 400D with the tamron 18-250 or Sigma 17-70 zooms is very hard to fault. Just plain does everything just about perfectly. I rank it above my K100D, but not quite up to my K200D..

Sony A200 or A350 - Sony A100 was not interesting before I bought,then at the time I bought, the A200 appeared. I had seen no reviewsyet, but the feel in the hand is good. Now, I notice even though theA200 is a brand new model, it is aggressively priced. I think it'squite good. The A350 sounded even better until I held it - but Idon't like the left / right body balance..

Never had much experience with Sony. Looks like the latest models have it right, though..

The Oly 510? I got that. Would I have wanted the 520 at the 510price? Yes..

Oh, no question I would have gotten the e510 instead of the e410 if I didn't already have all the other stuff I have. I got the e410 because of it's size and it's two wonderful kit lenses. Nope, the e510 and the K100d would probably have me with the 510, but honestly the K100D is a step above the others. I really regard it as a little above entry level in feature and performance and especially weather sealing, nobody else has that and if you are in the middle of a trout stream and a rain storm and under a water fall like I often am, that is a real plus..

System is a bit of a maverick. I wouldn't suggest for one minute that.

Yes, it is a maverick. It works though and I have had a fun time,playing with my legacy Minolta MF lenses, my Vivitar MF lenses on it..

Various manufacturers who build for the format. Right at the presentthere are some incompatibilities that are departures from theoriginal intentions. Like anything else trying to standardize butstill accommodate competition is always skating fine lines..

Yes, that is one of the risks. But the camera you have is the camerayou use. As long as you don't need more stuff for it, obsolescence isnot a disaster like if you bought a Sony Beta tape recorder andeverything is VHS now..

You can put a lot of energy into picking a camera and want 10, 20year longevity. Yeah. A camera at these entry level prices is not ahouse. or a car. or a marriage. Some people get into those which havemore impact financially and in your life than an camera and threelenses..

Anandahttp://anandasim.spaces.live.com/http://olympuse510.wikispaces.com/http://picasaweb.google.com/AnandaSim/http://www.flickr.com/photos/32554587@N00/.

Yep, I think you and I are pretty close on all this.Dave Lewis..

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