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Hi,.

I've been reading many threads regarding DSLR kits and am having trouble nailing which way to go..

I studied film/photography at college way back when and shot on film (mainly Velvia) using an EOS300 w/ 28-80/75-300 kit bought in 2000 and have always been happy with the results..

Time to move on.....

I'm looking to try to put together an acceptable mid-range kit ideally..

There are numerous deals available via pricegrabber and I can import from US/pay duty here in Australia or I could use shopbot in Australia & buy Asian import, either way bringing down cost of kit compared to High Street prices..

Thereafter, I'm becoming less certain on choice..

I'm thinking of either Canon or Nikon as camera body - and I've researched the EOS 450D/40D/5D and the D300 as the Nikon (D700 out of range if I want any lenses!)..

I'm keen to develop my photographic interests, currently hobby only and ideally look at developing secondary income down the track, although this is yet to be pursued..

I can pick up a D300 with the Nikon AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED Lens for 2516 AUD (todays price but changing by the day!)..

I can pick up a 5D with the 24-105 lens for 2892 AUD..

Ive also read good things about the 450D and the 40D and am wondering if Id be better off looking at one of these (or even the 30D as some people seem to favour this over the 40D but Ive not yet done serious reading around re: the 30D) and putting some money into lenses/accessories etc. as the kits above are pretty basic  no card/tripod/bag etc. I dont currently have a tripod, ditto storage..

The lenses Ive got with my EOS300 dont have image stabilisation and arent designed for digital cameras in any case. I could sell this camera but kind of want to hang onto it as resale values limited and I might want to use film sometime down the track. I have a Minolta Dimage 3 film scanner (and a project to digitise still to be tackled!) also..

Id be grateful for any thoughts/guidance etc. that you can offer...

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Ozpom wrote:.

Hi,.

I've been reading many threads regarding DSLR kits and am havingtrouble nailing which way to go..

I studied film/photography at college way back when and shot on film(mainly Velvia) using an EOS300 w/ 28-80/75-300 kit bought in 2000and have always been happy with the results..

Time to move on.....

I'm looking to try to put together an acceptable mid-range kit ideally..

There are numerous deals available via pricegrabber and I can importfrom US/pay duty here in Australia or I could use shopbot inAustralia & buy Asian import, either way bringing down cost of kitcompared to High Street prices..

Thereafter, I'm becoming less certain on choice..

I'm thinking of either Canon or Nikon as camera body - and I'veresearched the EOS 450D/40D/5D and the D300 as the Nikon (D700 out ofrange if I want any lenses!)..

I'm keen to develop my photographic interests, currently hobby onlyand ideally look at developing secondary income down the track,although this is yet to be pursued..

I can pick up a D300 with the Nikon AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 18-200mmf/3.5-5.6G IF-ED Lens for 2516 AUD (todays price but changing by theday!)..

I can pick up a 5D with the 24-105 lens for 2892 AUD..

Ive also read good things about the 450D and the 40D and amwondering if Id be better off looking at one of these (or even the30D as some people seem to favour this over the 40D but Ive not yetdone serious reading around re: the 30D) and putting some money intolenses/accessories etc. as the kits above are pretty basic  nocard/tripod/bag etc. I dont currently have a tripod, ditto storage..

The lenses Ive got with my EOS300 dont have image stabilisation andarent designed for digital cameras in any case. I could sell thiscamera but kind of want to hang onto it as resale values limited andI might want to use film sometime down the track. I have a MinoltaDimage 3 film scanner (and a project to digitise still to betackled!) also..

Id be grateful for any thoughts/guidance etc. that you can offer..

Hey,.

I used to have EOS elans when I still shot film.. With my first DSLR I ended up with the Konica Minolta 5D partially because of the built in stablization which I now love and then Sony bought controlling interest of all the Minolta camera business technology, factories and designers...

You should seriously look at the Sony A700....

Every Sony, Minolta AF and third-party lens for Minolta AF is stablized 2-3.5 stops is what most of us find...

Here are some shots I have taken recently...

This is one is a an ISO 4000 handheld natural light shot..I just processed in Lightroom 2..

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Here are two from Times Sqaure last may.. the second one taking advantage of my 50mm F1.7 and in body stablization.. (No such lens is stablized on Canon or Nikon).

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50mm ISO200 F5 at 1/10s hand held.(The 50 mm is a used lens I bought of Ebay for $90).

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This is just a shot I like from last December in Boston.

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And one from Paris in December ISO 400.

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1/30 at 18 mm.

All the cameras you have mention are good cameras.. but the A700 has the best UI I have ever used on a camera and is a joy to use.. it should be on your short list..

Ken_ 5D(Happy A700 owner who hasn't sold the KM5D yet hmm?)See my stuff athttp://www.cascadephotoworks.comRead the detailed reviews athttp://www.dpreview.comThen read great Sony user info at:http://www.photoclubalpha.com..

Comment #1

If you think that you might get very serious about photography, then it is probably better to put more money now into lenses and less into the body. There is also the issue of whether you think you might go full frame in the future rather than APS-C, in which case you don't really want to waste money on lenses that aren't usable on full frame cameras. In this case there might be a case for going full frame now (the 5D would appear to be the only option) and using your old lenses until you have more money to get better glass..

There are likely to be situations in the future where you need a backup body, so buying a cheaper body now won't necessarily be a waste of money..

I think that the decision is yours but you are probably going to be very happy with whatever you get, so don't lose too much sleep over the decision..

Some comments:.

Nikon is about to announce the D90 so there may be some very good deals going on D80's if you decide to go for and entry level Nikon and better quality glass..

Canon is probably going to announce a replacement (or possibly two replacements) for the 5D in the next few weeks, although everybody was sure that a replacement was going to be announced in Jan/Feb and it didn't happen. It would certainly be worth waiting for this announcement..

Make sure that you try out the cameras in a store, particularly the 450D whose handling I don't like compared with the 40D. Your EOS 300 lenses are usable on a Canon DSLR although the focal length of the 28-80 won't be so useful with an APS-C sensor..

Remember that digital photography tends to lead to expenditure on software, hardware (additional hard drives, more memory, possibly a better monitor), photo printers, monitor calibrators, etc. You will need to build this into your budget if you don't have some of it already..

Chris R..

Comment #2

Well, whsat do you shoot? What do you want to shoot? I am a Nikon guy, but I think you should stay with Canon since you have some lenses already. Unless you just don't want those lenses anymore..

If you do want to switch anyway, you should wait for photokina in September to see what is coming out..

As for what to choose, ask yourself the two questions at the top and it will help get the right answer..

Also, have you tried the competeing cameras and did one feel better than the other?.

Chris, Broussard, LA..

Comment #3

If I were to consider a D300, I'd save up more and get a D700..

I wouldn't buy a 5D right now, unless you find a killer deal on a used one..

I'd consider a used camera body for a good price. There are lots of used mid-range bodies available from Canikon now. The cheaper you go on the body, the more and/or better lenses you can buy immediately..

I think probably the best value for a new cheap DSLR right now is the Canon 450D. This is not because of brand loyalty, because I'm currently considering switching to Nikon. However, as I said I'd buy used first. Try craigslist, ebay, fredmiranda.com, local shops etc. and ideally try a body out before you buy..

In general, I would get a cheap body, no matter what. It will be enough to get acquainted with the system, if used will come pre-depreciated  , and can be used as a second body once you know enough to PICK FOR YOURSELF..

If you think you may fall into it's target market (candid photography etc.), the on-the-verge-of-release micro 4/3 format may be something to consider waiting for...

Comment #4

Thanks to all for the advice. Very useful pointers..

Regarding shooting subjects, I'm keen on landscape & architecture, street scenes, candid friends & family plus motorsport..

I have a slow but usable desktop from Dell with a higher spec CRT monitor and have used this with photoshop/Dimage III scanner etc so don't have to worry about too much in the way of software but point taken re: expenditure... for sure the more I play, the more I'm likely to want to add to suite etc. and need to add storage..

I am considering a laptop purchase down the track but again, can live with current set up for the moment...

Comment #5

Slow but usable laptops aren't really usable for raw files from modern digital cameras..

As others have mentioned I would get a canon due to the lenses you already have..

Someone mentioned not to get a 5d right now, I think that if you plan to keep the camera for a long time then go for it. digital cameras are like computers in that they lose their value very quickly, and in particular the 5d is going to lose value more and more, and quite a bit more when it's replacement is announced. it may be a good idea to wait for it's replacement to show up, then buy one...

Comment #6

The very most important thing to do is go and fondle all the cameras you are interested in...it makes the world of difference. Hold them and take some sample pics, play around with the menu system...see if the camera suits you. Go from there...Lenses are prob the second most important thing...Go on, press it...you know you want to..

Comment #7

I have heard very good things about the canon 40D image quality (but can't speak from personal experience). I have a 5D and, if I were buying today, I would seriously consider the 40D instead. From the subjects you've listed, this might be your best choice (with a new lens to get back the wide angle)..

(I salivate over the D700 - too bad I've got canon lenses .

Arthur.

Http://www.arthurmarshall.ca..

Comment #8

I don't know Au prices, but in the U.S., the Canon 40D price at $900 is very appealing...Ed..

Comment #9

If your lenses are auto focus then you could probably pick up a body only for pretty cheap. you could outfit youself with most everything you need for the price difference..

Don't really have an opinion on make and model other than if you are already used to canon then maybe canon will naturally feel better when you are using it.work is money,time is irreplaceable..

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