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I searched but it goes so far back and I didnt see anything in the first few pages quite like this..

I understand about availability, now I want hard answeers from users on price of quality glass, availability of the same, etc.

I was looking at a pentax k10d....

But essentially my options are the nikon d80, the canon eos 40d, or the olympus e-510. The place I have credit with only has those, well they have the 30d, and the d40, but why get those when youc an go better..

I do have experience, with a nikon d70 I used to own, this is of course a new replacement. But I don't know the new nikon models, i've never used any other brands less to simply hold them at a store which only tells you so much..

So form a user standpoint, whats the real deal? Pros and Cons, whats best at what, which has the best glass, which has moderately good glass at great prices... etc... I assume it's always a good deal you pay for what you get but... I'm looking for the info only the real users know..

I read through some of the model forums, but you dont get that comparison there, and honestly the side by sides only tell you so much. Really, it's real world use I want to know about, I know the science doesnt change but the nuances do... I hope someone gets what I am asking here...

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Ok....

How about this... I know that glass can be mor eimportant than the body. I also know that I did like my 70's feel, but no one here carries a Canon 40d for me to try. Is it solid buid?.

Also, I know buying a d200 would be a significant purchase compared to a d80. Would a 40d be as significant? Is the Olympus any good at all? I have never even seen one in a store, which makes me wonder if they are not trashy..

I heard canon's come with better kit lenses but lack in the higher end lenses compared to nikon and pentax, is this true?.

Can anyone reccomend a good place to buy used glass other than ebay?..

Comment #1

Sezone wrote:.

I was looking at a pentax k10d....

Nice camera..

I do have experience, with a nikon d70 I used to own, this is ofcourse a new replacement. But I don't know the new nikon models.

The D80 is the replacement for the D70..

So form a user standpoint, whats the real deal? Pros and Cons, whatsbest at what, which has the best glass, which has moderately goodglass at great prices... etc... I assume it's always a good deal youpay for what you get but... I'm looking for the info only the realusers know..

Assuming you have some accessories from your D70 (lens, flash, etc), just get a D80. As for best vs worst glass, every company makes fine and not-so-fine stuff. Generally, you get what you pay for..

I hope someone gets what I am asking here..

Not really. Make a choice. There aren't any bad choices out there..

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Comment #2

Sezone wrote:.

Ok....

How about this... I know that glass can be mor eimportant than thebody. I also know that I did like my 70's feel, but no one herecarries a Canon 40d for me to try. Is it solid buid?.

The 40D is very similar in build to the 30D and 20D..

If you liked your 70D, just get an 80D..

Also, I know buying a d200 would be a significant purchase comparedto a d80. Would a 40d be as significant?.

I don't get what you mean by "as significant". Money? No, the 40D costs a lot less than the 200D..

Is the Olympus any good at all?.

Sure..

I have never even seen one in a store, which makes me wonder ifthey are not trashy..

You can say a lot of things about Olympus, but trashy build isn't one of them..

I heard canon's come with better kit lenses.

You heard incorrectly. The basic Canon 18-55mm kit lens is awful. The newer 18-55IS is better optically, but still awful build. The 17-85IS isn't much better optically. The 28-135IS doesn't really make much sense as a kit lens, as you have no wide angle. Am I missing any?.

But lack in the higherend lenses compared to nikon and pentax.

You heard incorrectly again. Both Canon and Nikon have a wide selection of high-end lenses. Pentax has a lot of nice lenses, but not near the selection that Canon and Nikon have..

Can anyone reccomend a good place to buy used glass other than ebay?.

I wouldn't recommend eBay. Prices are too high, and you can only guess on quality..

Keh.com is probably the best known used camera and lens store. They rate used equipment very conservatively. Other internet camera stores, such as B&H and Adorama, also have used equipment for sale..

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Comment #3

Nickleback wrote:.

The 40D is very similar in build to the 30D and 20D..

I'm not familiar with them.

If you liked your 70D, just get an 80D..

I did like it, but... Since I had the open option I jyst wanted to be sure I wasn't passing up a deal, perhaps one or the other had a feature I had not read about that set it above..

Also, I know buying a d200 would be a significant purchase comparedto a d80. Would a 40d be as significant?.

I don't get what you mean by "as significant". Money? No, the 40Dcosts a lot less than the 200D..

My undertsanding is that after the d80, those bodies do make a significant impact, though not as significant as expensive glass obviously, it was indicated that if available it was worth it. I was wondering if the Canon 40d was as significant as the D200..

Keh.com is probably the best known used camera and lens store. Theyrate used equipment very conservatively. Other internet camerastores, such as B&H and Adorama, also have used equipment for sale..

Ah! Thank You! For all your information..

I know alot of similar questions are asked, and I appreciate someone who doesnt just troll beginners forums knocking new people..

I only asked because, well people forget this is the internet, and as shown in my post you get info one place, the next place tells you thats incorrect.... but guess what... so does the next after that... I do however trust these forums and wanted to be sure, I think thats all any newb wants is to be informed and make a decision they can feel confident about. You know... Everyones a newb to start..

Anyway thanks...

Comment #4

I hope someone gets what I am asking here..

Not really. Make a choice. There aren't any bad choices out there..

It's really in my other post at the end, I just want to be sure. Thats not always true in my experience of life in general..

I guess I'm just relying on a place I feel I trust to supply some insight, theres alot of opinions, and not everyone agrees on there being no bad choices and believe me i've read alot of em in the last month...

Comment #5

I think there is a real sense of irritation with some of the users about people over-analyzing differences between the brands, and since there is no such thing as an objective opinion, the only real l way to know which brand is better for YOU is to own it...

Comment #6

Sezone wrote:.

Nickleback wrote:.

The 40D is very similar in build to the 30D and 20D..

I'm not familiar with them.

You said one local place had the 30D? The 40D is almost indistinguishable in feel..

If you liked your 70D, just get an 80D..

I did like it, but... Since I had the open option I jyst wanted to besure I wasn't passing up a deal, perhaps one or the other had afeature I had not read about that set it above..

Certainly there are different features on different cameras, but unless you have specific requirements, there are none that are significantly above..

Also, I know buying a d200 would be a significant purchase comparedto a d80. Would a 40d be as significant?.

I don't get what you mean by "as significant". Money? No, the 40Dcosts a lot less than the 200D..

My undertsanding is that after the d80, those bodies do make asignificant impact, though not as significant as expensive glassobviously.

The bodies are built stronger, can shoot faster, has a better viewfinder, and have better AF. But the D40x, D80 and D200 all have similar sensors..

I waswondering if the Canon 40d was as significant as the D200..

The 40D has similar advantages over the 400D than the D200 has over the D80, but these all come at a cost. There are situations where your requirements could push you to the 400D instead of the 40D..

Keh.com is probably the best known used camera and lens store. Theyrate used equipment very conservatively. Other internet camerastores, such as B&H and Adorama, also have used equipment for sale..

Ah! Thank You! For all your information..

You're welcome..

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Comment #7

Sezone wrote:.

I hope someone gets what I am asking here..

Not really. Make a choice. There aren't any bad choices out there..

It's really in my other post at the end, I just want to be sure.Thats not always true in my experience of life in general..

That's true in current DSLRs. There's really no bad choices. If you have specific requirements one or two brands (and more likely, one or two specific models) might be better choices..

Theres alot of opinions, and not everyone agrees on therebeing no bad choices and believe me i've read alot of em in the lastmonth..

Unfortunately there are a lot of fanboys. People who will only see what's good in the brand they own, and what's bad in other brands. In reality, each brand and each model has it's strong and weak points. If you don't specify things beyond "I want a DSLR", these strong and weak points really don't matter..

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Comment #8

Sezone wrote:.

Really, it's real world use I want to know about, I know thescience doesnt change but the nuances do... I hope someone gets whatI am asking here..

If you didn't like the feel of the D70 in your hand, then skip the D80, it's basically the same body feel. If you thought it was too small, skip the E510 and the D40 (or now 60) Nikon because they're smaller than the D70..

If the D70 felt too large then consider the E510 and the D40-60 series cameras..

If you thought the D70 image was "too cool," or bluish out of the camera, skip Nikon consumer CCD cameras and go to the CMOS, which would be your Canon. (I have not shot with the Pentax though I do own an E500 to use some legacy Leica lenses and image appears to be warmer than the Sony CCD used on the D70. I used to own a D70 and now use a D200)..

But what really matters is your budget. I'm presuming you don't have any Nikon legacy glass and you'll be going to buy a full kit..

As other posters said, the 30D and 40D feel roughly the same (friends of mine have had both). Not sure if Canon's newest 12mp Rebel will feel like the current Rebels..

Ultimately there is no wrong choice. If you're committed to buying at the store down the street (bravo for that by the way) shoot an image or two in the store and see what you like..

And good luck..

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Comment #9

I went and found that article, it's talking about real tested lens compatibility, the d40 and d80. It talks about the lack of price worthy upgraded changes in the d80 over the d40. I have to agree based just on the side by side let alone actual usage and description as was used here. It talks about recent prices on the d200 thanks to the d300 release, and the un-matched metering by any other camera compared. If it is true then I found something worth buying more than any other, which is great. If it isnt I didnt lose much because I was being careful rather than just buying anything..

As to irritation by users over analyzation of brands, and even models, all I can say... or rather is ask is that users users please be patient..

It's strange for us as new users to the photography world to see people say something like that so sincerely, and yet here we are still well programmed against even the best intentions, because usually someone is ripping people off, selling garbage that breaks at intervals or always just after any warranty is gone, or basically lying or some other complete showing of a lack of respect for any consumer..

I'm not saying it isnt true that there is no bad choice it's just....

Practically nothing works like that you know.... it's a bit hard to swallow... I dont regularly go out and say buy ANY computer, cause thats ridiculous, and I would NEVER tell anyone to do that cause some are garbage it's just a fact. look I know theres at least one guy who probably swears by his Compaq, but I know thier insides and have worked on them for years and I always tell people HP and compaq at your own risk and thats juts two. Now it may work, but for how long, and only often over the years with it's own weird equipment, substandard peripherals and non standard formats, blah blah etc..

So, again it's a hard pill to swallow and I apologize...

Comment #10

I see what your saying now, and as the other guy said, I can understand how it causes irritability. And I tried to explain to him about how that's hard for new users. Look at nearly anything you can buy theres a bad company making bad versions, etc. So it seemed more like a brush off when people say that at first, you know, buy anything your probably ok, as a long time consumer in the US anyone's gonna go, um.... are you sure?.

Again thanks alot, I really do appreciate it, I hope nothing I said came off too arrogant or anything, i've never been great at inflecting in internet discussions...

Comment #11

They are willing to give me the camera on credit, and the old kind, not bank backed. They've been here for years and the store is closing my parents did thire processing there I the 70's. I am sort of committed. He's got these models in some numbers left..

I did notice the blue, but it didnt really bother me too much. I've read, I put this in another post, over and over about the amazing metering of the D200,which is supposed to be the same system. I've heard that it's implemented idfferently... all sorts of things..

Look at this is one example:http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/d200-d80-d70-d50-d40-5d-xti.htm..

Comment #12

Sezone wrote:.

I went and found that article, it's talking about real tested lenscompatibility, the d40 and d80. It talks about the lack of priceworthy upgraded changes in the d80 over the d40..

D80 has a higher resolution sensor, better AF, better viewfinder, in-body AF motor for AF with all Nikon AF lenses (not just AF-S like the D40/D40s/D60)..

These may or may not be worth $400 to you, but they are certainly worthy upgrades..

If you meant the D40x, the comparison between it and the D80 is similar, except that they have the same sensor and the price difference is around $250..

I wouldn't consider any of the above mentioned cameras bad. Which one is for you depends on your priorities..

It talks about recent prices on the d200 thanks tothe d300 release, and the un-matched metering by any other cameracompared..

The D80 is much closer to the D200 than the D40 is to the D80. Same sensor, same AF, same viewfinder. Biggest differences are build quality, continuous frame rate (5 fps vs 3), metering sensor, old lens compatibility, and a few other nice little touches. All that for $600 more. Great if you need the features..

If it is true then I found something worth buying more thanany other, which is great. If it isnt I didnt lose much because I wasbeing careful rather than just buying anything..

Or you could spend $400 more and get the brand new D300, which is a major upgrade on the D200. It's only money, after all..

If you don't know what you need, and don't know an aperture from a hole in the ground, I'd recommend not going above the D80. The D200 is not designed to help somebody who doesn't know what they are doing. The D40 and D40x are well designed for that purpose..

If you do know what you need, you'd have decided and bought already..

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Comment #13

Sezone wrote:.

Look at this is one example:http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/d200-d80-d70-d50-d40-5d-xti.htm.

I'd rather not stir up a pro-vs-anti Ken thread, so let's just say that his opinions are quite controversial..

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Comment #14

Ok.. I have to ask, in what way. I mean are his claims false? No one can achieve the same things?.

Nickleback wrote:.

Sezone wrote:.

Look at this is one example:http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/d200-d80-d70-d50-d40-5d-xti.htm.

I'd rather not stir up a pro-vs-anti Ken thread, so let's just saythat his opinions are quite controversial..

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Comment #15

I do understand the numbers and settings, I am by no means seasoned. You are right. it is only money. I may not be a professional photographer, but I am committed to this..

I like taking pictures of a great many varying subjects in varying environments. I like to do some space photography with a friends telescope and mount, I like potraits, I take pictures of my family, sports, indoor, outdoor, graffiti, architecture, long exposures for effect, etc... I like to experiment....

I just love taking pictures. To me it's exciting, it's even calming at times. it takes me places I may have never gone before photography. I will be taking pictures when I am very old, if I can still lift the camera..

I want room to grow is all. My 70 was great, I wish I had spent more on lenses than the camera but this opportunity is rare. I get the camera on credit, I WAS going to buy it with the tax return, but I get it on credit, so I can spend that money on one good lens. probably not great, but far better than the kit lens I had on the 70, and I can get telephoto. I'm hoping I can sell off some unused things actually and get a fixed aperature telephoto..

I have narrowed to Nikon again... I'm considering the Nikon 80-200 D AF, I believe it's screw drive film lens. This and the kit lens I see you can get with the 200 or even the 80 should give me some room. My hope from there is to grow in lenses and technique until which time I come across more money, save up money, and need to upgrade all intersect again..

Quite frankly I am an indecision buyer, always have been. I simply fear making the wrong choice so I like to be super sure. you can dislike this, or not, but it is who I am. I am sure it can be trying and annoying, my apologies, again I cannot change this about myself. It drives me crazy or I wouldnt have come and asked the questions in the first place. It is what it is...

Comment #16

Sezone wrote:.

Ok.. I have to ask, in what way. I mean are his claims false? No onecan achieve the same things?.

I told you I didn't want to stir it up....

His MO appears to be to make outlandish statements to drive traffic to his site and generate revenue..

Google ken rockwell site:dpreview.com and sample a few past threads if you like..

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Comment #17

Sezone wrote:.

I have narrowed to Nikon again... I'm considering the Nikon 80-200 DAF, I believe it's screw drive film lens. This and the kit lens I seeyou can get with the 200 or even the 80 should give me some room. Myhope from there is to grow in lenses and technique until which time Icome across more money, save up money, and need to upgrade allintersect again..

If you can pick between the two, go with the D80. The money you save in the price difference between that and the D200 you can bank for future lens purchaes..

'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'..

Comment #18

I am not bashing Ken with this but misinformation is dangerous and he is too carefree with words. There's a difference between being controversial on subjective things and factually wrong..

Ie on the D60 review he notes that the D60 sensor should produce the same results as the D300 and D3 which it can not. One is the old style 10 MP CCD and the others are 12 mp CMOS sensors..

Is it nit-picky to point that out? Yes. But someone somewhere likely just reserved a D60 after reading that, thinking he'll get the same performance as the D300. That's just wrong..

'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'..

Comment #19

That was my initial view as well, but he said I could pick anything in stock and pay 50 every paycheck till it's paid off. So I figured if they are all costing me 50 dollars a check no matter what, I should come here and ask which is the best deal...

Comment #20

I understand. I had no idea, I read the lens compatibility chart and the the d200 gush over his d200 and the 18-200mm? I think it was...

Comment #21

Sezone wrote:.

That was my initial view as well, but he said I could pick anythingin stock and pay 50 every paycheck till it's paid off. So I figuredif they are all costing me 50 dollars a check no matter what, Ishould come here and ask which is the best deal..

That's the classic car salesman trick, getting you to focus on the payments not on the actual cost..

Say the D200 is $600 more than the D80. That's 12 more paychecks. If you bought the D80, you could save the $50 payments you would have made on those last 12 paychecks and use it instead to buy a decent lens..

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Comment #22

Sezone wrote:.

I understand. I had no idea, I read the lens compatibility chart andthe the d200 gush over his d200 and the 18-200mm? I think it was..

I just checked out Ken's 18-200 gushing review. Or at least the first few paragraphs. It was all I could read..

Lots of misinformation just in the paragraph where he slags the competition. Sigma for build quality (just like Nikon, pay more, get better build), D40 compatibility (the Sigma is compatible, and so is the Tamron now), AF (they AF just fine). Optically the Tamron 18-250 is probably the best..

Then more gushing about how the lens replaces everything. Perhaps for what he shoots it does, that doesn't mean it does for you or me..

For a more balanced review, see:.

Http://www.photozone.de/...-200mm-f35-56-g-if-ed-vr-ii-dx-reviewtest-report.

Unfortunately that site didn't test the Nikon versions of the Sigma and Tamron lenses, but they did test the Canon versions:.

Http://www.photozone.de/...af-18-200mm-f35-63-dc-os-canon-test-reportreview.

Http://www.photozone.de/...igma-af-18-200mm-f35-63-dc-lab-test-reportreview.

Http://www.photozone.de/...aspherical-if-macro-canon-lens-test-reportreview.

Http://www.photozone.de/...i-ii-ld-aspherical-if-xr-macro-test-reportreview.

Summary of all these is that they are compromise lenses. They give you a wide range of focal lengths, but with slow max aperture and at best average image quality. Essentially they turn your $1800 D200 into a $400 superzoom digicam. Which is fine if that's what you want, but they aren't everything to everybody..

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Comment #23

The D200 is a fine camera (I'm biased, I own one and don't plan on upgrading until Nikon has a FX prosumer body) many of the things that swayed me to buy it over the D80 (about a $300 price difference when I pulled the trigger) was CF card compatibility vs SD card since I was trading up from a D70; weather sealing but I live on a beach in a humid area and durability. Feel also had a bit to do with it, I always found the D70 a bit small. D200 still feels smallish but the external battery grip has gotten too many critical reviews on durability..

A significantly less controversial online source for Nikon info is Thom Hogan, at bythom.com.

I peek at both he and Ken but whenever they differ in opinion, I lean towards Hogan..

If you could get a D200 from your friend's store for about a grand, it could be worth it too.'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'..

Comment #24

Using B&H as an example, the D80 is going for $871.95 and the D200 for $1,399.95..

That's a $528 spread. Or a little over 10 pay periods. Presuming you're talking every two weeks on pay (and profit margins on both cameras are equal for your dealer) that's about 5 months of payments. It's ultimately your choice but since you're asking for opinions I'm just tossing options out there.'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'..

Comment #25

So essentially you dont think I should buy a d200 because it's more expensive and that money could go to a lens..

Despite this I still couldnt get a better lens now though. I was looking at Tamrons and tokina's and slrgear.com. It's apparent to me from what I have seen that Nikkor products of similiar specs are better quality usually. Third parties are cheaper though so I assume you get what you pay for..

So got any lens suggestions? Specific suggestions? For an all around shooter? I dont see myself doing anything but expanding from here.....

Comment #26

It still seems like Nikkor makes usually higher quality in most ranges,depite that I see a lot of what are called great lenses for around 850 down to 450..

I was thinking I could maybe sell the kit lens or see if he had one without a kit and couple the body with th Tamron 17-50 f2/8 Di II. True I lose DoF, but on the other hand I take some photos outdoors at lower light levels. Like in rocky areas, or tunnels, and some overcast so a locked f/stop so large is good..

The lens the D80 he has, comes with the 18-55..

If not I thought I could mix some more focused lenses.Like the Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6 about 500, I like wide landscape shots.

I saw the Tamron 200-500 f5-6.4 Di LD IF at about 850, but honestly what really got me was some amazing reviews on the Nikon 70-300 f4.5-5.6 IF-ED AF-S VR near 500..

I think to start this with the D80 kit lens, the 18-55, that I'd have to pick the Nikon 70-300. VR and great reviews. As someone who shoots a varying subject matter, this ought to work well and then expand into some mpre special lenses or after this I think I'll focus on saving, and expand into each area in the really high end lenses maybe 3 more for short, long, wide only buy really high end models.....

Comment #27

Sezone wrote:.

So essentially you dont think I should buy a d200 because it's moreexpensive and that money could go to a lens..

Bingo..

Despite this I still couldnt get a better lens now though..

Sure you could. There are many good lenses $500 and under. The Nikon 50/1.8 costs $100. The Sigma 30/1.4 costs $400. The Nikon 70-300VR is under $500. The Tokina 12-24 costs $500.



And if the lens you want is over $500, saving $500 on the body puts you $500 closer to getting that lens. You just have to have the discipline to put the money away..

I waslooking at Tamrons and tokina's and slrgear.com. It's apparent to mefrom what I have seen that Nikkor products of similiar specs arebetter quality usually. Third parties are cheaper though so I assumeyou get what you pay for..

You sometimes get more than what you pay for. It really depends on the particular lens model. Another site with good lens reviews ishttp://www.photozone.de. DPReview is starting to have lens reviews, too..

So got any lens suggestions? Specific suggestions? For an all aroundshooter? I dont see myself doing anything but expanding from here....

Get the kit lens, take lots of pictures, and try to figure out what you are missing. Are you shooting a lot at 18mm and wished it was wider? Maybe you need a 12-24 ultra-wide angle. Are you shooting indoors with flash at 30mm? Maybe a fast 30mm prime will help. Are you shooting wildlife at 55mm, and have the critter wind up as a little spec in the frame? You could use a long telephoto zoom or prime. Etc..

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Comment #28

Sezone wrote:.

I was thinking I could maybe sell the kit lens or see if he had onewithout a kit and couple the body with th Tamron 17-50 f2/8 Di II..

That's a nice upgrade over the kit lens..

True I lose DoF.

Only if you shoot at aperture wider than what the kit lens would give you..

But on the other hand I take some photos outdoors atlower light levels. Like in rocky areas, or tunnels, and someovercast so a locked f/stop so large is good..

It's not a locked f-stop, it's a constant max aperture. Like most lenses, it will also stop down..

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Comment #29

Get the kit lens, take lots of pictures, and try to figure out whatyou are missing. Are you shooting a lot at 18mm and wished it waswider? Maybe you need a 12-24 ultra-wide angle. Are you shootingindoors with flash at 30mm? Maybe a fast 30mm prime will help. Areyou shooting wildlife at 55mm, and have the critter wind up as alittle spec in the frame? You could use a long telephoto zoom orprime. Etc..

When I had the 18-55 with my D70, I found I was often all the way out at 55mm. I did landscapes when I was somewhere that they were worth taking but that was less often, though I do wish it had been wider. I live right near the Snowy's which are in the Rockies and so big wide sweeping shots are marvelous, but I dont get there like I do around town, you know daily. So being around town, shooting say at the park, skatepark, downtown in alleys, I used the lens from but mostly all the way out. I think I liked that 35-55 range but I did wish alot I could go in more, and I never really got the chance to do macros like I wanted to..

Thats why I was considering the Nikon 70-300, actually I looked at that Tamron 18-250 f/3.5-6.3 Di II, but it's a higher ratio of compromises the higher you stretch one optic, I figure so... well, and for a similar price instead of a wider end I get VR and a lens internal focus motor...

Comment #30

This makes me wonder....

Sure I liked the Nikon, I did. But since it's hard to make a wrong choice, if I say choose a Pentax which for features seems to be cheaper and includes interior stabilization or if he has the Canon 30D cheaper, I doubt it but then I didnt look at how much it was, then I could get a far better lens, or really two great lenses at the prices I have been looking at..

Is my logic flawed here? I mean if I stick to Nikon it has to be the 80 for it's lens compatibility with screw drive lenses. the only other Nikons he had were the d200 and the d40...

Comment #31

Sezone wrote:.

I searched but it goes so far back and I didnt see anything in thefirst few pages quite like this..

I understand about availability, now I want hard answeers from userson price of quality glass, availability of the same, etc.

I was looking at a pentax k10d....

But essentially my options are the nikon d80, the canon eos 40d, orthe olympus e-510. The place I have credit with only has those, wellthey have the 30d, and the d40, but why get those when youc an gobetter..

Those are all great cameras..

A) The D80 can use the lens(es) from your D70.b) The 40D is the best camera listed, but also the most expensive.c) The e-510 has the poorest low-light performance, but does have in-body IS..

D) If you want better image quality, get a Canon "L" lens. Get the 30D or XTi if that makes the lens possible...

Comment #32

Sezone wrote:.

Sure I liked the Nikon, I did. But since it's hard to make a wrongchoice, if I say choose a Pentax which for features seems to becheaper and includes interior stabilization or if he has the Canon30D cheaper, I doubt it but then I didnt look at how much it was,then I could get a far better lens, or really two great lenses at theprices I have been looking at..

There is not a huge difference in price between equivalent Nikon, Canon and Pentax lenses. There may be a particular lens or two that one manufacturer has and the others do not..

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Comment #33

No no, sorry... Not the lenses the bodies man. From the pricing I was looking at equivalent bodies are cheaper in third party brands than the top sellers like canon and nikon, at least feature wise, to me...

Comment #34

Sezone wrote:.

No no, sorry... Not the lenses the bodies man. From the pricing I waslooking at equivalent bodies are cheaper in third party brands thanthe top sellers like canon and nikon, at least feature wise, to me..

Sorry, I misread. Yes, Pentax (and Samsung) is trying to compete with Canon and Nikon by playing up value giving you more for less. The K10D in particular is a very good value when compared to the D80..

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Comment #35

A) The D80 can use the lens(es) from your D70.b) The 40D is the best camera listed, but also the most expensive.c) The e-510 has the poorest low-light performance, but does havein-body IS.d) If you want better image quality, get a Canon "L" lens. Get the30D or XTi if that makes the lens possible..

I checked again and all he has are Kits. Once they are gone, he's no longer ordering camera bodies, or selling them at all because he cant go agaisnt things like circuit city anymore, so they'll only due studio photography, processing, etc. hence why he will simply let me have them for payments, he just ewants to be rid of them and he knows my family..

He's got some Canon's the 30d w/ EF-S 18-55mm USM lens, 40d w/ 28-135 IS USM lens, and Digi Rebel XTwith I think the exact same 18-55 as the 30dorNikon D40 with a 18-135 or D80 with the 18-55orthat Olympus Evolt e-510 w/ a Zuiko 14-42mm lens.

Oh and he's got one D200 that he's holding for me until I call, i'm not too worried I dont think they will go that fast or anything, thats part of the issue I think..

I mean I could just buy a kit with the taxes and come back after saving that money for a better lens.... I could buy a used d1x, lol.

I dont think i'll like the file sizes at 10mp's though....

Oh well..

Comment #36

I've been thinking maybe something with less zoom in one lens would be a good idea. Like 80-200 if I can fins one or 70-200 but I'd like to get the same optical quality and VR if I can find it. I guess Sigma put out something at PMA, but I heard such things can take time to actually be released..

Hmmm.....

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