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Hi, I am a "picture taker" wanting to step over into the more serious world of a photographer. I am currently using a Nikon CoolPix L11, but had the opportunity to try a Nikon D70 with wonderful results. I hope to purchase a D80 in the near future...My question is how do I get to post photos on the internet without losing my copyright and to get constructive critism/comments from more knowlegable photographers? I have a lot to learn about the technical aspects,what is a good manual to start with? I am nervous, but excited. Thank you...

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But will befinetelly lose idea..

As soon as image is published in any way, if interesting is interesting willl create wave of similar images made by other photographers..

If you are affraid of loosing your image - don't post.http://www.stan-pustylnik.smugmug.com..

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Oh, now that is a circumstance that I did not think of.... so far I have no idea so valuable to have borrowed, yet... ..

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Hope to purchase a D80 in the near future...My question is how do Iget to post photos on the internet without losing my copyright and toget constructive critism/comments from more knowlegablephotographers? I have a lot to learn about the technical aspects,whatis a good manual to start with? I am nervous, but excited. Thank you..

You can't loose the authorship of the image. You can't loose the copyright unless you sign lots of papers. However, image theft is quite common. To deal with that, only post reduced size images. It's a very good ideea to put a copyright message on the image, to detter theft...

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It depends on whether you think that you have more to gain from constructive advice, than anything you might lose from having someone see and use your idea. As a beginner, I would say that the answer to that question is yes - there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum who can provide helpful advice. If your work is good enough that you might lose money or business by other people stealing your ideas, you probably don't need the advice in the first place..

Anyway, we are all influenced by what we have seen of others' work and, consciously or unconsciously, other people's work will influence the pictures you take. This is normal and inevitable. 'Stealing' is one thing; being inspired by a beautiful or skilful image that someone shows, and trying out something new with your camera as a result, is entirely different. Most of the fun of taking photos is sharing them with other people: what is the point in taking nice pictures and then hiding them?.

Best wishesMike..

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Tnserose wrote:.

My question is how do Iget to post photos on the internet without losing my copyright and toget constructive critism/comments from more knowlegablephotographers? I have a lot to learn about the technical aspects,whatis a good manual to start with? I am nervous, but excited. Thank you..

1. As another poster pointed out, you don't lose your copyright..

2. If it's a really good picture, it will stand a good chance of being stolen..

3. It's unlikely that as you start out very many of your photos will be really good....so don't worry about #2 above..

4. If a picture is stolen, take it as a compliment. Untill you're ready to start selling photos it's not really a big deal moneywise, but it does tell you that your now taking really good pictures..

5. If you happen to take a picture that just knocks your socks off or is of historical importance (like the picture of the fireman carrying the baby) don't put it on the web! Getting paid for it after it gets out is usually an exercise in futility..

6. Personally, I think most watermarks just look pretentious and detract from the picture. Untill your in business or about to go into business, don't watermark your photos. A lot of people will probably disagree with this point, but humility early on will endear you to those that can help you the most..

Just my opinions...YMMV..

A member of the rabble in good standing...

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I think your best protection is to post only reduced size images or fragments of images..

A 640x480 jpg doesn't have much commercial potential but is sufficient for evaluation of composition (or pixel peeking if cropped.).

Dave..

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Beginnings are seldom the clearest of times, but don't hide your early work just because it might get pirated, or others might get to copy your ideas. You need exposure to the light of constructive criticism..

Don't post large size images, there's no need even if you want to discuss pixel peeping issues as you can simply post a 100% crop of part of the image..

Where to learn and get inspiration? Read the photo magazines and visit websites like this, remembering always that they are gear orientated. Take the time to visit sites like Luminous Landscape http://www.luminous-landscape.com (Google for it if the URL is blocked), and think about joining a local camera club..

John.Please visit me at:http://www.pbase.com/johnfr/backtothebridgehttp://www.pbase.com/johnfr..

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Where is a starting place to show my photos for critique/comments? Thank you all for your help in how to present my photos!..

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Http://www.pbase.com/jfinite..

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If you are buying a D80, post your pics in the D80 forum here. It is full of talented people who all have an opinion..

One thing that I learned is don't take it personal. If you are asking for C&C, they will give it. They really are only trying to help..

I find it exciting to post here and get opinions from all around the world. It is amazing on how people are willing to help and they do not even know me..

Give it a try, I think you will be suprised.Mike..

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Post your pics on the web somewhere first then you can copy the reference link to them and put .jpg at the end for instant display..

Try using Flikr.com (or similar) as a popular free hosting site..

John.Please visit me at:http://www.pbase.com/johnfr/backtothebridgehttp://www.pbase.com/johnfr..

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OK, this is my first attempt at posting my pictures... loading them, I do realize that I have a long way to go to become more than an a "picture taker"... I would appreciate all comments...I know I need to upgrade to a SLR from the basic point and shoot...

Http://flickr.com/photos/tnserose2/..

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Hi.

I've been looking at your pictures and wonder why you are worrying about them. They are a lot better than most I've seen..

Regards, David..

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Thank you so much for your praise.... I just felt "let down" while I was loading them up as they did not seem they had the "pop" that I hear so much about... I love taking picutres and try to see things from a different angles and love to work with light and shadows (who doesn't?). All my pictures were made with various point and shoot cameras and I know that I need to upgrade and get a tripod to step-up my pictures, uh, photos...smile. Thank you again for your encouraging words!..

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I'll second that. Your gallery is excellent. My favourite is the 'hibiscus sunset'.Keep up the good work!MikeMike..

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Tnserose - Your pics are not good. They are FANTASTIC!! I'm jealous. I'm new to SLR as well and your captures are way better than what I can currently get (been at it for 3 or 4 months). Great gallery! I look forward to seeing more stuff from you..

Just trying to learn.

Blog: http://novicephotog.blogspot.com/Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9778447@N07/..

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Riceowl, I saw you pictures on FLickr and I think they are very good... I don't have a bonafide SLR yet, these were all point and shoot... lol... I notice most of my picture taking is in early mornings and late evenings when the sun is lower on the horizon... I like the shadows...also, I probably have a gazzilion pictures....only to get a few to look half way decent.... Thank you so much for your nice comments....

Good Luck to you, too! You are doing great!..

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Mike, thank you for your encouragement...regarding the "Hibiscus Sunset", I actually took that photo from the window of a car while at a stop light! I just pointed and shot! So much for set-up, huh? Truly a moment. I like that photo, too... smile..

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DSLR or not, the pics are excellent, love the composition and colors. Thank you for your compliments  I haven't updated my flickr site in a while. I have some more but started using Picasa for ease of upload..

But you know what's funny. I haven't looked through my flickr site in a long time. Most of my more interesting pics have around 20-30 views. Some have 4-10 views. But two bad pics of my wife have 100+ views (bad b/c of my technical ability, I was experimenting with exposure compensation and couldn't get it right). hahaha.

Hahaha..

Just trying to learn.

Blog: http://novicephotog.blogspot.com/Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9778447@N07/..

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Good morning, Rice... I am trying to learn how to post pictures on these sites! I do not know how to crop or resize to make them "fit". I am constantly learning new ways to look at objects from a different angle or in different light. I enjoyed your blog about your pictures and how you came about making them... as for your comment about the views on your Flickr page (yours and your wife's) I am seeing more and more that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and there is something for everybody in the world of photography! By the way, did you buy the Picasa program? I use the free site that comes with Google (I guess) and it is user friendly, but limited in what I can do with my pictures...Thank you..

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Resizing - the site might do it. Failing that, look in your editor or viewer. It's a standard thing these days, imo..

Regards, David..

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Hey there tnerose. I agree with you that there is something for everyone with photography. I too try to find different ways to look at something. Coming from a "family snap" type of mentality, I'm trying to get away from the standard snaps and get something more creative. I enjoy photography b/c it's a great creative outlet. I'm still trying to find my eye.

Just like an author needs to find their voice or style, a photographer needs to do the same. I'm still trying to get the technical details down too so it's a fun journey. I don't get out near enough though. But it does make me look at everything in a different way..

As to Picasa, I downloaded the desktop software, I htink it's called Picasa2. Its completely free. Its a nice way to view your pics too, I like it's organization style. Also, and this was the main reason I started using Picasa Web Albums is b/c the desktop app has a button and you just press it to upload your photos. Don't have to go to the website or anything like that. Picasa2 has editing funcitons too, including cropping, resizing, white balance adjustment.



Flickr may offer some desktop software for uploading your photos too, I can't remember but I do seem to recall I saw something..

I do most of my photo editing though in Canon's software, usually using DPP. Its a raw photo editor. I'm still learning how to post process as well. For posting pics on a site like this, I usually make the size around 800x1200 I think. Its big enough for people to see details but not huge so that it just becomes troublesome viewing. Picasa should be able to do that for you as well.



Blog: http://novicephotog.blogspot.com/Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9778447@N07/..

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Thank you David. I guess I just need to read the instructions and try it...smile..

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Thank you, Rice... I think you and I are in similar situations with our photography. I would love to spend all my time with a camera in my hand...and do have one most of the time, just in case..

As far as the resizing, I know how to crop on Picasa2, but don't know how to shrink the number of pixels, for instance, on photoSIG, to fit their format requirements... I think I will take David's advice and just read and learn...happy picture taking!..

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I don't know your software but somewhere there ought to be a button or menu item called (would you believe) "Resize". I have cameras up to 10 mp but resize them to 1024 x 768 before posting on to smugmug. Years ago I experimented with the jpg compression options and now can post an itsy-bitsy version of a 10 mp file that looks OK on screen. And smugmug let you post in forums in a variety of sizes..

About experimenting with jpg compression: pick a large file and make a copy of it in a new folder called something obvious like "Trial" then open it in your editor and use the "Save As" option after looking there for a jpg compression option. In mine it goes from 1 to 100 with high compression/low quality one end of the scale and the opposite at the other end..

So set the compression at (say) 5 and save the picture with 5 in brackets after it's name (example Pic 007 (5).jpg). Repeat with the setting and number in brackets at (say) 15, then 25, then 35 and so on to 95. You'll now have a set of pictures ranging in compression and all you need do is look at them one after the other until you decide what looks good enough _on screen_ and then save that setting a your default..

Here's an example that's only 48 KB in 1024 x 768 size:.

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As you can see it's smaller on screen than that (600 x 450 and 49 KB) but on smugmug it's 1024 x 768, which is nice enough to see OK but no one's going to steal it for an A3 print on a calendar and then sell them. Well, not if people look at my pictures printed in A3 from these little files....

You'll find the original somewhere in http://iDRH.smugmug.com/gallery/1859863/1/97824516 and please allow for them being holiday snaps posted for people on the tour..

Hope this is some use..

Regards, David..

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Thank you, Thank you David! This is what I needed to know...I did not know if I was shrinking file size when I shrunk the size of the photo.. At times, it looked like the picture was going to have to be 1.5 x 3.0 to make the file fit certain formats.. and cropping didn't seem to work either.. I never thought to calculate the different sizes for pixel information...that makes sense now. I appreciate the web site information and will now go check it out... Thank you again...

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Tnserose wrote:.

Thank you, Thank you David! This is what I needed to know...I did notknow if I was shrinking file size when I shrunk the size of thephoto.. At times, it looked like the picture was going to have to be1.5 x 3.0 to make the file fit certain formats.. and cropping didn'tseem to work either.. I never thought to calculate the differentsizes for pixel information...that makes sense now. I appreciate theweb site information and will now go check it out... Thank you again..

Any time! It's part of the service....

I'm always amazed by what you can get away with on screen but it's because reducing things down reduces the flaws and, of course, looking at a monitor is a lot different from looking at a print..

BTW, it's very, very important to save the originals in a folder tucked away in some dark corner of the HD and make a second set that you view and muck around with (as well as putting the originals on to a CD or DVD)..

If someone gave me a fiver for every time the original set had been referred to because I'd totally screwed up something (usually just as I was getting it ready to print) I'd be able to afford the camera of my dreams....

Regards, David.

PS You were asking about books a while ago. Have look at this which will download or open a PDF that you can print or view as a 160 + page book:.

Http://www.olympus-europa.com/...r/images/Handbook_Digital_Photography_EN.pdf.

Don't forget you can save it to disc if it opens on screen. There's an icon like a floppy disc on Acrobat that does it...

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Thank you for the link (online book). Another area that I need to learn / work on is the storage of the photos...I did know that the more you save a jpeg, the less the quality will be... at this point I have not printed anything larger than an 8x10, so quality is not a big issue...but some day....ahhhh, dreams are so wonderful...I do appreciate all of your help!..

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Interesting: if you've an Epson printer, look in the software and you might find a "Poster" facility. This rehashes your picture as 4, 9 or 16 (from memory) sheets that can be glued together into one big picture and 9 sheets of A4 come out as 24" by 36". You need a good quality inkjet _paper_ to do it and a lot of patience. It works best if you think carefully about where you'll display the picture nd how th shadow o the joins will appear. Get them right and mount under glass and no one will notice it's a composite. And they'l never, ever believe a word you say about it being a 5 mp jpg to start with....

Regards, David.

PS Study the Olympus book carefully, there may be questions based on it later </;-)..

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WOw, I never thought about pasting them together! I do not have an Epson printer... my goal one day is and Epson printer, Mac computer and Nikon or Cannon camera...that will make me a great photographer, right??? LOL..

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I'm going through the same learning process placing files ontoflickr.I have managed to upload some, not particularly good, photos and whenI display my page I get the following URL.

Http://flickr.com/photos/15383917@N04/.

I noticed that your FLICKR URL was soewhat less cryptic than mine!How does one control the URL name so that I can put'MikeInRomsey' into it like you managed?.

My photos were taken with an aging powershot S40. Not up to DSLRstandard...

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Thanks to a reply on another thread I have now managed to changethe URL to something more personalised :-.

## http://www.flickr.com/people/mikeinromsey/..

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Whew... good thing you found the answer! I just followed the site's directions reagarding who to allow to see my page and how to upload the pictures... Your pictures are georgous! Thank you for sharing...

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Tnserose wrote:.

WOw, I never thought about pasting them together! I do not have anEpson printer... my goal one day is and Epson printer, Mac computerand Nikon or Cannon camera...that will make me a great photographer,right??? LOL.

Yup. And these days you don't have to grow a beard and wear sandals without socks to be great. But I thought it was a Leica or a Sinar Hy6 needed. Unless you want 39 megapixels, which means the new Hasselblad... (Sit down first, then look up the price on Google!).

Back to posters. A bit of carefull cropping with a slight overlap into quarters; a steel ruler and scalpel: a lot of swearing and you'll be in business..

Epson's software does it automatically with trim lines and so on. But it's a "fill the sheets" size only. Better still, in some ways, is a bit of shareware called "ProPoster" that does what it says on the box but I can't remember the website; well worth a look..

Regards, David..

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Ahhh, the world we live in! Who would have thought? Good thing that I don't need a beard...be hard to do. Those Hasselblad's cost more than my car... I doubt that it will improve my skill that much...I have always heard that Epsom was a better printer for photographs and that Macintosh was the computer of choice for graphics...and I got to use a friend's Nikon D70 a couple of times and was impressed with the photos. But, as I have been looking at some of the photography sites, it seems that Canon is used a lot in the photos that I seem to be drawn toward. Being the newbie on the block, I have a lot of catching up to do! I sure appreciate all your help!..

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Yes, Epson are very nice printers. I've had two since the 90's and the first one is still active and it's currently with daughter number 3 of a friend at college somewhere up north..

About cameras: I don't think it matters much provided the thing isn't too awfull. Reading the trade magazine this week I wonder how many pro's use digital (or Canon for that matter) as Kodak have just launched a new B&W film especially for "dimly lit subjects or fast action" and it's all of ISO 400/27 - I doubt if the ISO 3200 freaks will believe a word of that. And Kodak reckon 67% of pro's still use film or something like 67% from memory. The Sinar Hy6 and that 39 million one might change that though..

Regards, David.

PS Did you work out the cost of an outfit with, say three lenses? Mind blowing.....

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