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Non DSLR ~$400 camera wih fast fps and zoom for sports - advice please!
Hi folks - first post - I'm looking for a non DSLR camera that approaches DSLR fps - 5 or so - with as much zoom as is practical. I take indoor (bright - well lit) pictures of my son playing soccer and just can't seem to grab those zoomed action shots. I guess I'm looking for a "sports shooter with a zoom lens".I prefer 7-8 megapixels with movie capability..

I was looking at the functionality of the Canon S5 IS and really liked it until I saw it could only do 1.5 fps..

IS is a nice feature. I'd like a viewfinder but also a live LCD ( ya, want it all eh?).10x to 12x zoom is also desirable..

Red-eye reduction is also high on my list. AA batteries are nice but I could live with proprietary rechargeables..

So, anything in the advanced P&S or "Bridge" cameras that approach DSLR fps without their price tag and bulk?.

Does this beast exist for under $400 or $500?.

Thanks in advance!.

Tony..

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Turbohack wrote:.

Hi folks - first post - I'm looking for a non DSLR camera thatapproaches DSLR fps - 5 or so - with as much zoom as is practical. Itake indoor (bright - well lit) pictures of my son playing soccer andjust can't seem to grab those zoomed action shots. I guess I'mlooking for a "sports shooter with a zoom lens"..

Doubt you'll find anything that fast for any price in a non-DSLR, unless it's at a reduced resolution. Top speed seems to be about 3fps..

Mark..

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Entry level DSLRs aren't even that fast of a frame rate..

Stopping action in low light (indoors) with a huge zoom? Not likely to find that either..

You might want to check out Fuji S6000/S6500 before it's discontinued, it has usable high ISO and 10x zoom. I'm pretty sure it has a horrible frame rate, especially with the XD cards it uses...

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Fuji S6000, S6600Panasonic FZ50Canon G9.

All worth checking out but indoor with low light...always gonna be tricky especially using superzooms..

Happy hunting.

Liammy photoblog http://coolpix.shutterchance.com/archive.phpmy galleries http://s224.photobucket.com/albums/dd243/liambeattie/..

Comment #3

Way back I had a Panasonic FZ3 that was great for outdoor soccer. I'd just press the button and it kept shooting. I don't remember the speed but it was really nice for a p&s...

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Turbohack wrote:.

Hi folks - first post - I'm looking for a non DSLR camera thatapproaches DSLR fps - 5 or so - with as much zoom as is practical. Itake indoor (bright - well lit) pictures of my son playing soccer andjust can't seem to grab those zoomed action shots. I guess I'mlooking for a "sports shooter with a zoom lens"..

Even with a DSLR, you really need to use a prime (fixed focal length versus zoom lens) for best results (although at ISO 3200, you might get some keepers with a higher quality zoom, if you can stand the noise)..

That's because the available zoom lenses just aren't bright enough for indoor sports (even high end lenses only have f/2.8 available)..

You really need f/2 or brighter (f/2 is twice as bright as f/2.8) with ISO 1600 to get your shutter speeds into the 1/400 or faster range (which is what you'll need for less motion blur in images for sports)..

Zooms are not bright enough, even using ISO 1600 with a pro level zoom for indoor sports. Forget most "ultra-zoom" type cameras. For one thing, most of their lenses are too dim by the time you zoom in much. For another, their high ISO speed quality stinks (and you'll want at least ISO 1600). Focus Speed also leaves a lot to be desired..

Frames per second is the least of your worries. You need a camera with higher usable ISO speeds wearing a bright lens to help with motion blur. That means a DSLR (and forget the movies)..

If budget is tight, I'd look at used gear (but $400 is unrealistic)..

You can pick up a Canon EOS-20D for approximately $500 used at reputable vendors like http://www.keh.com.

Then, get an 85mm f/1.8 USM lens for starters (around $320 new)..

If budget is even tighter, get a used EOS-10D instead of the EOS-20D..

If you want a non-DSLR camera, then you'll probably need to try and take the photos when the players are very still versus moving (and even then, if you try to use a camera without a tripod or stabilzation, you'll probably get blur from camera shake)..

What you think is "well lit" is probably very dim to a camera, and for indoor sports, you're going to want a DSLR..

JimChttp://www.pbase.com/jcockfield..

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Thanks for all the replies.....seems like I'm attempting the impossible even with a decent DSLR..

I was hoping I was missing something in my research. The price of a good camera with fast lens is apparently beyond my budget ;-(..

Again, thanks !.

Tony..

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Turbohack wrote:.

Thanks for all the replies.....seems like I'm attempting theimpossible even with a decent DSLR.I was hoping I was missing something in my research. The price of agood camera with fast lens is apparently beyond my budget ;-(..

If you're a good shopper, you can probably squeeze a used Canon EOS-10D and a used Canon 85mm f/1.8 into less than $600.

Try the Canon Digital section at http://www.keh.com for bodies. They have several EX condition bodies for $299 right now. Here is one example:.

Http://www.keh.com/...amp;BCC=3&CC=2&CCC=1&BCL=&GBC=&GCC=.

More are in the Canon Digital Section:.

Http://www.keh.com/...amp;ID=60&CC=2&CCC=1&BCL=&GBC=&GCC=.

Look at the Canon 35mm Autofocus Fixed Focal Length lenses section for an 85mm f/1.8. They run $314 new now:.

Http://www.keh.com/...amp;BCC=1&CC=6&CCC=2&BCL=&GBC=&GCC=.

But, you also see them used for a little less. Here is an example:.

Http://www.keh.com/...amp;BCC=1&CC=6&CCC=2&BCL=&GBC=&GCC=.

More are here:.

Http://www.keh.com/...amp;BCC=1&CC=6&CCC=2&BCL=&GBC=&GCC=.

If you can't afford the 85mm f/1.8, you can get a 50mm f/1.8 for under $100. But, you'd need to be pretty close to fill the frame much with a 50mm.JimChttp://www.pbase.com/jcockfield..

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