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Hi, I just had an talk with my wife about spending our savings, she wanted high quality dining room chairs, I wanted a DSLR..

I had to argue a little to get the DSLR.

During the discussions I kind of knew I had the ace up the sleve, pulled it and we will sit on the floor..

- I REALLY LOVE MY WIFE.

Now I face a new problem, what to buy? I kind of decided on a Canon line up..

My needs are: (based on current camera - Canon G7).

80% family shooting in everyday scenes and events split 50/50 indoor/outdoor and 50/50 daylight/night-evening with lights on. a solid mix of playing-moving and non-moving people20% is objects/non-moving animals.

Range:75% within 1-5 meters indoor/outdoor20% within 6-15 meters outdoorless than 5% above 20 meters ourdoor.

The G7 is great, but greedy as I am I want more..

As a kid 25 years ago I had a Konica T3 with a 50mm lens and I have a huge number of great keepers from that camera - But I dont have it any more .

As I also like to play with the camera I wish large aperture and fast autofocus.Also nice bukeh would come in handy.Image quality is important but for me autofocus speed counts even more.

So which of these cameras gives me the fastest autofocus 40D or the 450D ?5D is in budget but it seams outdated compared to the other?.

Does the 5D autofocus better? and do FF improve image quality eneugh to justify th higher price 3 year old cam?.

Lenses, sigh canon stoped making the 50mm f/1.0.........

Well I was considering many options and I figure all of these kits would make agood choise..

Kit 1: Short zoom and primesEF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS USMEF 50mm f/1.4(alt. 28 /f1.8) and EF 85 f/1.8.

What I can find in review tells that the 85 f/1.2 is slower than the 1,8 in autofocus - do I read those reviews correct?.

Kit 2. Meduim zoom and primesEF 24-70 f/2.8L USM (how fast is autofcus compared to the 85mm f/1.8?)EF 50mm f/1.4(alt. 28 /f1.8)EF 135 f/2.8 softfocus.

Kit 3 Primes onlyEF 50mm f/1.4 (f/1.2L as option)OREF 28 /f1.8 (24mm 1.4L as option).

AND.

EF 85mm f/1.8 (1.2 as option)OREF 135mm f/2L.

As you can see from my lens options my budget is fairly neat..

To appriciate that you got all the way down here:.

The ACE:.

"Dear wife, when we grow old looking back in time what would we then appriciate the most, 35 year old worn down chairs or great pictures of the kids and their childhood.?" She is now accusing me of using illigal arguments..!..

Please help me deciding a camera/lens kit by commenting on the cams and lens kits I have listed..

Thanks/Majoren..

Comments (20)

You seem to be limiting your search to Canon. You should also look at what Nikon has to offer. When I did a similiar evaluation when moving up from a point and shoot camera, I decided upon Nikon. Basis was how the camera felt in my hand, the somewhat more vivid colors, and the selection of quality lens available. I also felt better about the build quality of the Nikon body and lenses. Have a look before buying, as this is a very costly investment...

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I looked at Canon and Nikon and settled on Canon. I interviewed lots of photographers I knew at work and elsewhere, and their pick was Canon by about 85 percent. I did weeks of research on the web, and Canon won convincingly too. I bought a 40D (about 1200 for the body). I got a Canon 28-135, a Canon 100mm macro, and a Tamron 18-40. I'm now looking at a Canon 100-300.

I'm very satisfied with my Canon 40D. It works wonderfully in every setting...

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Aodhan51 wrote:.

I looked at Canon and Nikon and settled on Canon. I interviewed lotsof photographers I knew at work and elsewhere, and their pick wasCanon by about 85 percent. I did weeks of research on the web, andCanon won convincingly too. I bought a 40D (about 1200 for the body).I got a Canon 28-135, a Canon 100mm macro, and a Tamron 18-40. I'mnow looking at a Canon 100-300. I also got the 580 flash too.

It works wonderfully in everysetting..

Both Canon and Nikon make great cameras (and so do the others, too). But asking a bunch of ants to recommend a good picnic spot is wrong..

Currently, Nikon is ahead with the D300 and D3. You should at least go look and see for your self....

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

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Comment #4

And think about the wife you love and surprise her with a nice dining room set just to show her you really appreciate her. Good wife's dont come easy. Treat her like a Princess! Put a beautifull picture of your wife here instead and feel proud.Ajay Madanhttp://www.PreciousVideoMemories.com..

Comment #5

And here is another option - there is nothing wrong with the DSLRs that were produced 1-2 generations ago. They still produce the great photos they did when they were introduced, and most are still in widespread use by photogs with varying skill levels through semi- and pro-levels..

A well maintained used body, or refurb, with a decent lens or 2 will not cost a lot and you can build on it gradually, and still get the chairs..

Best regards,Doughttp://pbase.com/dougj..

Comment #6

I bought the 5D over the 40D. Here were my reasons..

Full frame sensor means lenses are their true FL. Canon's L series of lenses, especially on the wide end, seem better suited to FF than crop. Though arguably the crop has an edge with longer zooms if you want reach..

Full frame sensor also gives an edge to depth of field to a certain extent, as you have to get closer to your subject to frame it the same way as on a crop camera. This yields a shallower depth of field (effectively) which can be very nice when using wide aperture lenses and getting that beautiful blur..

Even though it is older, it still is a benchmark camera as far as IQ and noise. Take a look at the new Nikon D3 review on this site. They put the 5D up against it and it still holds it's own. That's saying quite a bit..

For portraits, which is what I shoot primarily, the 5D just excels. I'm sure the 40D is great too, and it has some new techno features. But if you're used to shooting a 35mm SLR with a 50mm lens, you would be in heaven with a 5D and a 50mm 1.4..

I have the 85mm 1.8 and it is an incredible portrait lens..

The 5D kit with the 24-105L is a great setup. Fantastic lens and extremely versatile..

Here are a couple of examples from my 5D:.

85mm:.

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24-105.

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I don't know anything about photography. I just like to press the shutter button and hear that sound...

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It's funny how everybody immediately discounts older models. You could pick up a second hand Canon D20 or say a Nikon D70 and they would do everything that you need and you would probably have enough left over for the chairs too. It is sad that we have reached this era of only the very latest brand new model is acceptable. We are spoiled for choice. We have quite a few cameras in our business and use a D2x in our studio but also have the two cameras I mentioned above and they are both beautiful cameras and a joy to use. The Nikon D60 is nice too and not too expensive.Jules..

Comment #8

We're on the same page. The mindset all too often is to treat earlier generation bodies as if the IQ they produce degrades with each subsequent new & improved body. We can easily fall prey to our 'wants' overriding our 'needs', and objectivity starts to get lost..

Best regards,Doughttp://pbase.com/dougj..

Comment #9

Can we please get a picture with the new camera of you guys sitting on the floor?..

Comment #10

I think you ought to at least consider comprise as an option - like a d70 or d50 with one of the better kit lenses...

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JulesJ wrote:.

..You could pick up a second hand Canon D20 or say a Nikon D70 and theywould do everything that you need and you would probably have enoughleft over for the chairs too....

I have to second Doug & Jules' suggestions on an older generation body (d80/70s, used 5d, 30d).

I recently got used (body+lens) from multiple sources, and I have to say these sellers on the FredMiranda/PhotographyOnTheNet/Various other boards seem to take freakishly good care of their lens & bodies..

One side doesn't have to 'win' the battle and the other is left without anything.. it seems like a compromise can work here, especially since one wouldn't seem to really lose a ton in image quality or AF performance (your two priorities) by stepping down slightly...

Comment #12

Buy the least expensive DSLR Canon Kit you can find. Buy her chairs. Take pictures of her seeing her new chairs.That would be a memory you will love to look back on!..

Comment #13

She must be a wonderfull person, dont, iganore her needs and get her chairs and put her beautifull picture here on the forum and we will all be happy. But then you are a great man too that you are honest in claiming that you love her. Bravo for the two of you. See that you dont dis apoint her!Ajay Madanhttp://www.PreciousVideoMemories.com..

Comment #14

450D +18-55 IS + chairs..

Or, substitute the 40D and/or 17-55, as long as your budget still covers the chairs..

Any DSLR is a huge move up from a G7. So, get a good midrange one and still make your wife happy...

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Hi all, and thank you very much for all of your comments..

Both those addressing my beloved wife and those for the secondary issue (the cam...).

Even before posting this thread we actually did decide on the chairs,and we did also decide to get a a very good DSLR..

I was just teasing you with my thread to get some comments on cameras..

I am very pleased with the suggestions on used/older generation camsSo I am now down considering two setups covering almost the same optical range:.

Kit 1 = 2nd hand Canon 5D with 24-70mm f/2.8 and 50mm f/1.4 + 135mm f/2.0L.

Kit 2 = Brand new Canon 40D with EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS and 35mm f/1.4L + 85mm f/1.8.

The EF-S lens is very apealing due to the IS, but on the other hand the FF and the 135mm is also extreamly apealing..

I will see if I can get some of my Canon G7 pics online to show you, as appriciation for your comments..

/Majoren..

Comment #16

Majoren wrote:.

Even before posting this thread we actually did decide on the chairs,and we did also decide to get a a very good DSLR..

I was just teasing you with my thread to get some comments on cameras.I will see if I can get some of my Canon G7 pics online to show you,as appriciation for your comments..

/Majoren.

Thats good news. I'd like to see your pictures. Mary..

Comment #17

As promissed a few samples of the targets for my DSLR..

Wife, kids and cat.

Http://www.cig.canon-europe.com/a?i=nwibKV0TLC.

Enjoy/Majoren..

Comment #18

Nice family.....I would like to see a shot of the chairs when they arrive .

Best regards,Doughttp://pbase.com/dougj..

Comment #19

Very sweet family. Yeah, we'll need a pic of the chairs maybe with your new camera. That'll tie up all the loose ends in this thread. Mary..

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