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Nikon D80 kit (18-55) or Canon 450/400 (18-55) kit?
I'm beginer in digital photography (but with a lot of experience in argentic).

After years using video instead of photo, I'm back to photography and plan to buy a DSLR in the beginning of may, during a trip to NYC (and BH store)....

A few month ago, I bought a compact fujifilm f31d as a first try with digital cameras, and didn't like it at all (yes I know it was just a compact, but these cameras are nothing but ridiculous!).

Now I'd like to take pictures again, for real, like I did a long time ago with my nikon F2, FE2 etc, and have a budget of around US$ 1200 to buy a body+zoom lens (+ memory + case...).

I'm thinking of the Canon Xsi (D450) but i'm not sure it will be available nor there will be a lot of reviews on the net, so maybe will compare D80and XTi at Bh store, anyway here are my questions:.

- nikon D80 and canon 450 are in the same price range, so are the kits with 18-55 zoom. The canon 18-55 is not really a good lens according to reviews, is it the same with the 18-55 that nikon offers in it's kit?.

- both D80 and Xsi cost around US$ 800, and around US$ 900 with 18-55 lens; if in both case I'll have to buy another zoom, should I buy a US$ 400 lens such as Tamron 17-50 f2.8 or Sigma 17-70?.

Finally, nikon D80 and Xsi (or Xti) will produce equivalent pictures if using same lens? Will my "old" Metz flash work on the D80 socket?..

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Krystof wrote:.

- nikon D80 and canon 450 are in the same price range, so are thekits with 18-55 zoom. The canon 18-55 is not really a good lensaccording to reviews, is it the same with the 18-55 that nikon offersin it's kit?.

The various Nikon kit lenses are supposed to be decent optically, if slow (like all kit zooms)..

Canon recently came out with an 18-55 IS kit lens. Nikon has an 18-55 VR kit lens of their own. (These are not the $1,000+ constant f/2.8 lenses, but slower ones.) The Canon IS lens is supposed to have a big image quality advantage over the one you've seen reviewed. I presume the Nikon will maintain high quality, and add VR. In either case, if you want an 18-55 kit lens, it may be useful to get the latest one...

Comment #1

Krystof wrote:.

- nikon D80 and canon 450 are in the same price range, so are thekits with 18-55 zoom. The canon 18-55 is not really a good lensaccording to reviews, is it the same with the 18-55 that nikon offersin it's kit?.

All Nikon's kit lenses (18-55, 18-55 Vr, 18-70, 18-135) get good reviews. Specifically the 18-55 is good in both VR and non VR form..

- both D80 and Xsi cost around US$ 800, and around US$ 900 with 18-55lens; if in both case I'll have to buy another zoom, should I buy aUS$ 400 lens such as Tamron 17-50 f2.8 or Sigma 17-70?.

It makes no sense to have both an 18-55 kit lens and another covering broadly the same range. I think 18-55 is too limiting for a general use lens 17/18-70 is much better. Both lenses you mention are good. I cannot decide which you should get. I don't know what you want to photograph (and maybe you don't either!).

Finally, nikon D80 and Xsi (or Xti) will produce equivalent picturesif using same lens?.

They will produce pictures that are the same with only very subtle differences in IQ only at the highest ISO settings. You should make your choice on useable features (not gimmicky ones). Obvious advantages to the D80 are much better viewfinder, built in wireless flash and spot metering. But more importantly feel how they all are in your hands..

Will my "old" Metz flash work on the D80 socket?.

I doubt it. It may work on manual settings..

Chris Elliott.

*Nikon* D Eighty + Fifty - Other equipment in Profile.

Http://PlacidoD.Zenfolio.com/..

Comment #2

My dilemma is similar to that originally posted..

Jessops is offering the Nikon D60 (Nikon D60 + AF-S DX Nikkor VR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G Lens ) at 480 and the Canon 450D (Canon EOS 450D + 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM Lens ) at 650..

I am aware of the good review on this site of the Nikon D60, but on the other hand have always used Canon (P+S) cameras and so have some (irrational?) preference for the 450D..

To put it simply, is the Canon really 200 better, or would a relatively simple phhotographer such as myself find the Nikod D60 adequate?..

Comment #3

Krystof wrote:.

The canon 18-55 is not really a good lensaccording to reviews, is it the same with the 18-55 that nikon offersin it's kit?.

Note there are two different 18-55 zooms for both Canon & Nikon. The newer ones have IS or VR image stabilization respectively. You can read reviews here:.

Http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/.

The IS/VR versions of these lenses are roughly comparable. For the non-stabilized versions, the Nikon was better..

Should I buy aUS$ 400 lens such as Tamron 17-50 f2.8 or Sigma 17-70?.

If you are going to pass on the kit, then these are decent options. However, they've been subject to more sample-to-sample variability so be sure that you can exchange them if needed..

Finally, nikon D80 and Xsi (or Xti) will produce equivalent pictures.

The defaults are different, but they are more similar than not. Look at the examples on this site's reviews and see if you think there is a difference..

Will my "old" Metz flash work on the D80 socket?.

Yes and no. Depending on how old it is, it may have too high of a "trigger voltage" which can damage the electronics on a newer camera. If so, then you'd need an adapter like one of these:.

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...ct/273330-REG/Wein_W990515_SSPC_Safe_Sync.html.

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...92-REG/Wein_W990560_Safe_Sync_Hot_Shoe_to.html.

It will also not use any of the new TTL flash capabilities of the camera..

Erik..

Comment #4

Richard Osborne wrote:.

To put it simply, is the Canon really 200 better, or would arelatively simple photographer such as myself find the Nikod D60adequate?.

If you are into macro or indoor sports, then the Canon might be better. (Live view is a boon to macro, not to mention more macro and fast prime lens options for the 450D.) Absent those specific requirements, then the 200 saved would be better..

Erik..

Comment #5

Thank you all for your help, I didn't know that more recent 18-55 form both nikon and canon were better now (especially for canon).

Actually I just looked at the comparison between D80 pictures and eos 400D, which might be also a good option to start, I think I like the "more detailed" pictures taken with the canon.

D80 seems to have softer images, but better exposure and a lot of options and customization possibilitiesanyway, eos 450 isn't available yet so i'll have to wait to read more reviews.....

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