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Nikon D60 or Canon 450D?
I am a complete newbie with no existing kit and no particular allegiance..

I am heading toward the D60, with a view to upgrading to the D80 (or whatever has repalced it by then) in a few years time..

Nikon seem to have a better range of prosumer lenses (eg 18-200vr)..

Any advice most welcome ......

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I am a Nikon user (D200) but the D60 seems to be being criticized for not being much of an advance over the D40(x) - the three focus points for one thing seem rather poor to me. The Canon is superior there. The D40 or D40x is a better camera perhaps to start with, and cheaper..

The lens range of Canon and Nikon are both fine, Nikon have some cheaper good zooms (55-200VR, 70-300VR) while Canon have IS in more lenses, e.g. the 17-55 f/2.8..

You won't go wrong with either - just handle the cameras in store and choose which you prefer..

Alex.

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Comment #1

Alex Leach wrote:.

I am a Nikon user (D200) but the D60 seems to be being criticized fornot being much of an advance over the D40(x) - the three focus pointsfor one thing seem rather poor to me. The Canon is superior there.The D40 or D40x is a better camera perhaps to start with, and cheaper..

Thanks, that's very helpful. I *know* that a D40/40x will be *more* than adequate for my basic needs, but I do have something of a "block" when it comes to buying "old" kit ... I am a bit of a gadget snob, I confess!!.

The lens range of Canon and Nikon are both fine, Nikon have somecheaper good zooms (55-200VR, 70-300VR) while Canon have IS in morelenses, e.g. the 17-55 f/2.8..

You won't go wrong with either - just handle the cameras in store andchoose which you prefer..

That's what I would like to do, but I am desperate to buy a camera and my father-in-law, who lives in the US, is coming to visit on 15 March and he is going to buy the camera for me there (I live in London) because it is SO much cheaper. So I will probably have to make a finak decision before I've had a chance to handle them ....

(Of course, there's no guarantee that he'll be able to get hold of either of them in the US before his visit)...

Comment #2

Yep, I think availability of the D60 or 450D may be in short supply in that timeframe..

The D40(x) can hardly be called old kit, I believe production of the D40x stopped a few weeks ago, but in my mind it's still new... My family got a D40 for my younger brother at Christmas, I thought it was very good..

Alex.

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Comment #3

Just to make your life a little bit more complicated... I am in the same boat.. living in London....deciding between the D60 and 450D, spec wise... 450 is much better than the D60... but with the price you pay for a 450D you could almost get yourself a D80..

Comment #4

DrDavy wrote:.

Just to make your life a little bit more complicated... I am in thesame boat.. living in London....deciding between the D60 and 450D,spec wise... 450 is much better than the D60... but with the priceyou pay for a 450D you could almost get yourself a D80.

I have discounted the D80 already (a) because otherwise the decision just becomes too difficult! and (b) because I have played around with it and I think it is too good (i.e. too complicated) for me. If I buy a D80, I have a feeling I will never progress beyond the automatic settings. I think I am more likely to experiment and play around with a Canon 450D or a D60 as they have slightly less features and are better designed for the beginner's market..

But it is because I am hoping to upgrade to the D80 (D90x?!) in a few years that I am heading towards the D60, despite the fact that the 450D has more features..

I see that the D60 LCD will re-orientate itself between portrait and landscape depending on how you are holding the camera - I think that is a nice feature, do you happen to know whether the 450D has it?.

Also, although the more serious photographers out there scoff at the idea, I like the fact that on the D60 you can do some basic touching up and post processing on the camera itself. That seems like a good feature to someone who, at the moment, is unlikely to spend much time doing pp on a PC. Anyone know whether the 450D has that feature?..

Comment #5

To me, the D60 still looks like a great entry level camera ... Check out this link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pVAxmw2iEw..

Comment #6

If you aren't going to print large (bigger than A4/8.5x11) [i]and[/i] do some heavy cropping, then honestly, get the D40. If this is a learning camera that you intend to replace in a year or two, get the cheapest one, and instead invest any extra money into lenses. Street prices aren't going to come down much (if at all) in the time frame you are talking about on newly released cameras..

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Comment #7

Yes, and/or the A 300 as well.

Both have live view, the a300 has 10.2 MP, 3FPS while the 350 has 14.1 MP, 2 FPS.If you do not need life view, then there is the A 200 with 10.2 MP and 3 FPS..

Sony lenses are there, also all Minolta AF lenses ("A-mount") work, including new Simgas announced at PMA, no crippled lens compatibility like the D60,.

And:.

All your lenses get VR7IS by Sony's SSS in body stabilization, like with Pentax and olympus, via a motor mounted to the image sensor in the camera body..

And:Sony 's are competetively priced!Ralf- too lazy for hosting an online gallery..

Comment #8

It won't be long before the D80 replacement is out I'm sure. Why not just wait and get it if your ultimate goal is to upgrade anyway? Get the most camera that you can afford and it will save you money in the long run. It doesn't make sense to get any entry level camera if you plan to make photography a long term hobby. Unless of course you can't swing it financially.http://cmvsm.smugmug.com..

Comment #9

The Canon is 14-bit, the Nikon is 12-bit. Buy the Canon....

I am a Nikon shooter, have been since about '90 and I would never leave Nikon. I spent the day shooting with a Canon 1Ds Mark II, the big 18MP beast. Nice camera, but the controls are totally different from what I know and love so I would never switch, but....

Since you are starting out, I would put more wait weight on the fact that the Canon 450D is 14-bit than any other factor. You will learn to love the layout of the Canon and Canon has outstanding lens just like Nikon. I am VERY saddened that the D60 is not 14-bit..

Why is 14-bit so important? Increased dynamic range and finer change in tones. What the 14-bit means is this, with 12-bit there are only 4096 different values for red, green, and blue. With 14-bit there are 16384 (4x more values)..

Everything is in terms of double and/or cutting the amount of light in half, which is a zone or f stop. With a 12-bit camera you can double the light about 6 or 7 times between pure black and pure white. With a 14-bit camera you should be able to get 8 to 10, when it is really sunny it is the difference between high lights going white and shadows going black or getting a nice picture..

The next factor is the number of values between one zone/f stop. When you have 4x more values and you are only adding 50% more info (going from 6 stops to 9 stops of dynamic range), there is a larger (or finer) number of steps between each stop, giving nicer looking colors..

If I where starting out and looking at either the D60 or 450D, I would not even think twice, I would be ALL over the 450D!.

Mind you, I like the small file size of my D2H (4.1MP) but I would like to upgrade to the D3 solely for the 14-bit over the 12-bit of the D2H. It is WAY under rated enhancement in my opinion.Samhttp://photos.miltonstreet.com..

Comment #10

Eml1909 wrote:.

I am a complete newbie with no existing kit and no particularallegiance..

I am heading toward the D60, with a view to upgrading to the D80 (orwhatever has repalced it by then) in a few years time..

Nikon seem to have a better range of prosumer lenses (eg 18-200vr)..

Any advice most welcome .....

Do yourself a favor and look at brands other than the big two. You may find better value. If not you've at least compared and shopped wisely..

Pentax and Olympus make some nice entry level model's and have lenses that will cover the range an average consumer wants. I'd usually include Sony too but their new announcements confuse me..

One argument is a newbie doesn't know what they need or want so buy into a large camera system..

The other argument is most consumers will never need what the larger camera system offers..

If you do need the equipment a large manufacturer exclusively makes you'll end up having to buy a new body and lenses even if you bought into that brand in the first place. You won't have saved any money..

Buy the least expensive equipment you need as a beginner and learn. After you have experience you'll have a better idea of what equipment you need. First buy an entry level body and lens and learn to use those well before you spend more on equipment. Make certain the camera kit feels good in your hands. Equipment is not the answer for a beginner, experience is...

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