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Nikon D40 or D70?
I'm looking at getting into digital photography. I learned on a manual Pentax K100, so all of these cameras are more involved than what I'm used to!.

I've compared the specs on the new D40 and the old D70, and see a difference in the LCD screen but not much else, as far as I can tell. I haven't been able to find out about the delay (from clicking the button to the photo being captured) in the D70, and I know the D40 has very little delay..

Sorry if I sound not very tech-savvy. Can you just please tell me if there is a big difference between these two cameras?K..

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I have a D70S which I love. It will have a few more tricks available than the D40 and has considerable more lens flexability than the D40...The D40 does not have an internal focusing motor and is limited to using only the most recent series of Digital Nikon lens.You are able to use manual focus Nikon and the series of AF lens for the D70..

As you learned on a Pentax have you considered a K100? It also allows you to use the full series of 35mm Pentax lens family from manual focus to AF. You might find it very familiar and I have seen excellent photos from it. The camera is only half the battle, the lens are very important.A picture is the expression of an impression.If the beautiful were not in us, how would we ever recognize it?Ernst Haas..

Comment #1

Easy... the D40. Why consider a 4 year old camera instead of a one year old? The technology and IQ have improved significantly in that time. There are plenty of lenses with focus motors to accomodate the 40 series..

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Comment #2

I have to say, the D70 produces some very fine images, often some of the best macro shots I see come from that camera! The D40 is also a good camera but, even though it's not, I always think it feels and performs a little bit like a point and shoot (just a personal opinion before someone jumps me)..

I would say have a look around and see what you can get the best deal on. My friend just bough a D40 on Amazon at a good price, it has a minor problem with it but works fine. The D70 still seems to comand a high price tag so that may be the desider!.

Dryad..

Comment #3

Maybe you think it feels like a point and shoot but PERFORMS...?.

I'd like to see the point and shoot that allows you to change lenses, powers up in less than a second, shoots at 3 frames per second continuously, has a DX sized sensor, almost noise free at ISO 1600 and lets you use a SB flash..

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Comment #4

Stevef1961 wrote:.

Maybe you think it feels like a point and shoot but PERFORMS...?I'd like to see the point and shoot that allows you to change lenses,powers up in less than a second, shoots at 3 frames per secondcontinuously, has a DX sized sensor, almost noise free at ISO 1600and lets you use a SB flash..

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I didn't mean that to sound too defensive... .

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Comment #5

KimberlyC wrote:.

The D40 does not have an internal focusing motor and is limited to using only the most recent series of Digital Nikon lens. You are able to use manual focus Nikon and the series of AF lens for the D70..

Ernst Haas.

I wouldnt call the inability to auto-focus "limiting".

Considering one would spend a noticable amount of time "setting up" for a shot, twisting an extra ring for fine tuning is not all that much work..

Also getting used to using manual focus doesnt take long, once you figure out how a particular lense in your collection reacts to user inputs, you wont be having too much of a problem..

It is like driving a manual transmission car, the first week you stall and drive slowly, 6 years later you dont even think about what your feet are doing, you're rev-matching and heel-toe'ing without even giving it a second thought...

Comment #6

I've heard a lot of good things about the D70, but have never shot one, so I can't really opine (is that a word??) on the D70  ..

I do have a D40x, and really love this camera - the picture quality is amazing. The D40(x) is considered to be a starter DLSR camera, but don't let that fool you, it is very capable, easy to use, the image quality is superb, equal to that of higher priced cameras like the D80 and D200..

If you have not held and played with the cameras you are interested in, I highly recommend you do that. See how comfortable they feel in your hands, feel the build quality, and how solid they feel, etc..

A lot of people give the D40's a bad rap because of the new lenses it uses (which are very good btw), and inability to autofocus with older Nikon lenses. But if you don't already have an investment in these older lenses, it's not that big of an issue. There are many autofocus Nikon and Sigma lenses for the D40 cameras. Older Nikon lenses can be used with the D40 as well if you have some of these, but you will need to manual focus with them..

I think you would be happy with either camera, get your hands on them, and see which one feels right for you..

Albert-Ohttp://www.berto.zenfolio.com.

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Comment #7

Stevef1961 wrote:.

Maybe you think it feels like a point and shoot but PERFORMS...?I'd like to see the point and shoot that allows you to change lenses,powers up in less than a second, shoots at 3 frames per secondcontinuously, has a DX sized sensor, almost noise free at ISO 1600and lets you use a SB flash..

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Changing lenses is a pain, and expnesive, some people want an entry level DSLR, but if they are going to be forced to buy only 2 modifications of lenses if they want to have a "lens set" so they can be just a casual photographer, it might grow to be an expensive system.

3fps is subjective, this isnt a camera I would shoot sports with or chase celebreties, so whats the point?.

The sensor is made by sony... just like a bunch of other cameras, it's nothing special.

And finaly the noise reduction is due to internal processors, Nikon just decided to make it that way, doesnt mean that things like Noise Ninja cant make the photo's of other cameras cleaner...

Comment #8

Hi Karissa:.

My first DSLR was a D70 (technically I still own it but I loaned it to a friend) a correspondent who worked for me owned a D40, which I played with a little bit..

The D40 seems like a wonderful little camera. The D70 was great. I upgraded to a D200 for a variety of reasons, including the fact that it allowed me to take in-camera multiple exposures)..

If you like a smaller camera, the D40 (or it's upscale cousin the D40x) could be the way to go..

If you can get a good deal on a D70 (or you know the owner) and you like the size, you can't go wrong there..

That being said ....

The Pentax K1000 was/is a wonderful manual SLR. If you own the one you learned on and didn't just borrow it from school or a friend, by all means look into the Pentax K100 (I believe the're doing a "super" version of the camera, not sure what the differences are)..

Much of what drives "pro" photographers to Canon and Nikon are system attributes that you may never want or need..

But above all, you can read reviews forever. I urge you to put the camera in your hand before you buy it..

Good luck..

'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'..

Comment #9

Gooshin wrote:.

Changing lenses is a pain, and expnesive, some people want an entrylevel DSLR, but if they are going to be forced to buy only 2modifications of lenses if they want to have a "lens set" so they canbe just a casual photographer, it might grow to be an expensive system.

3fps is subjective, this isnt a camera I would shoot sports with orchase celebreties, so whats the point?.

The sensor is made by sony... just like a bunch of other cameras, itsnothing special.

And finaly the noise reduction is due to internal processors, Nikonjust decided to make it that way, doesnt mean that things like NoiseNinja cant make the photo's of other cameras cleaner..

So... you've just presented several good reasons as to why the D40(x) is a great camera..

3fps is 3fps regardless of what camera is shooting them, so how is that a "bad" thing?.

Yep, Sony makes the sensor, the same sensor that is in the D80 - again, how is that a bad thing?.

Noise reduction handled internally? That just means that now you don't need extra post processing, somehow you make this sound like another bad thing..

Everything you mentioned is actually a "good" thing about the D40(x), and you try to make it sound negative..

And... if you think changing lenses is a pain, then an SLR is probably not for you... that's one of the main reasons people buy SLR's - for flexibility in lenses....

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Comment #10

Karissa,.

I will second Nikonparrothead's suggestion. Get the cameras you are interested in your hands, play with them, shoot them, hold them, there is a big difference in how cameras feel, and only you will know which one feels right to you..

You can read reviews and comments about cameras forever and not be able to decide, or think you know which one you want , but actually holding the cameras will be the deciding factor; it is VERY important. If you don't like how a camera feels in your hands, you will not use it as much, or not be as happy with it, and as a result, not shoot as much. Conversely, one of those cameras may just feel right to you, and you will know it..

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Comment #11

Cosilver wrote:.

So... you've just presented several good reasons as to why the D40(x)is a great camera..

3fps is 3fps regardless of what camera is shooting them, so how isthat a "bad" thing?.

I never said it's a bad thing, I just said that saying "my camera can do X fps" is pointless when the camera itself isnt something that would be used for FPS type shooting....

In the end, it would depend on what sort of photography you do, I never machine gun my shots, so if someone tries to sell me a camera that can do a billion FPS, i'll just shrug my shoulders.

The point I was trying to make was a general look on whats important in a camera..

Yep, Sony makes the sensor, the same sensor that is in the D80 -again, how is that a bad thing?.

Its not... but you can find sony built sensors inside a Pentax, a Samsung... and Sony units in the same price range..

What I was trying to say is that if you like sony's take on CCD technology, there are other cameras one could look at for perhaps a different set of features. (after all everyone has different needs).

Noise reduction handled internally? That just means that now youdon't need extra post processing, somehow you make this sound likeanother bad thing..

Theoreticaly you can achieve better sharpness if you post process noise out, rather than have the camera smooth things out for you...

But again, you want easier use, point-shoot, download and forget. Some people like sitting there in front of the computer and play around with their pictures, my best friend is like that, he actualy gets a kick out of it, all the power to him..

Everything you mentioned is actually a "good" thing about the D40(x),and you try to make it sound negative..

See explanations above.

And... if you think changing lenses is a pain, then an SLR isprobably not for you... that's one of the main reasons people buySLR's - for flexibility in lenses....

Sorry my point was worder wrong. Most people will have a selection of lenses they carry around with them, particulary primes. Nothing wrong with manual focus, but recreational photographers, who dont want to waste time post processing, and do lots of machine gun shooting, are going to be slightly dissapointed in their lense selection... a relativly expensive one BTW, altho not as bad as canon..

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Comment #12

No one seems to have mentioned the build quality of the cameras. The D70 has such a nice build quality for it's price. The D40 is a great camera but it feels a little cheap in my hands (reflected in it's price). I've owned a d70 for over three years and I'm still impressed with it's durability, not mention it's sensor. I've stretched it to it's limits on many an occasion and haven't been disappointed yet..

I'm not positive but I don't believe the d40 has a commander flash mode, which is probably no big deal to most people, but the ability to readily remove the flash from the camera body is a huge plus for me. It really allows for so many options and can drastically improve your photos..

The final deal breaker for me is the lack of autofocus compatibility. For most d40 owners you will most likely need one or two lenses total, which is fine if you have to choose from the compatible ones. But if you're interested in going further in photography you need a camera that you can grow into. One that will give you options in the future, and ultimately the d70 is the better choice for that, even though it's older..

It seems to me that you can't make a bad decision here, you'll be happy with either choice, but if it were me I'd go with the d70 in a heartbeat..

Just my 2cents..

Ryanhttp://www.ryandearth.com..

Comment #13

Thanks to everyone who helped with the D40/D70 argument. I decided to go toward the D70s route...I like the full manual mode better there. And the camera feels great when I hold it. I'm shopping on e-bay for the D70s and the D80, and with the price difference, I'm wondering if the newer technology of the D80 is really that exciting. (New sensor, etc.) Yes, there's the 10.2 megapixels, but I think that might be overkill for my style. I'm an amateur, but wanting to get way better! What do you think?.

Also, I hear a lot about lenses. Honestly, I haven't really begun to look past the Nikkor lenses and the different sizes. Are Nikkor lenses ok? Are other lenses better than Nikkor that can be still used on a Nikon?.

K..

Comment #14

10MP over the 6MP of the D70s is important only if you wish to make really large prints (13x19 or larger) and want them to look their sharpest, and/or if you think you will or wish to crop heavily within a picture you've taken (e.g. a close-up of something or someone within a larger picture). Otherwise, a higher MP is not that important..

Nikkor lenses are very, very good. Sigma and Tamron also make lenses that can be used with Nikon cameras..

Keep in mind, prime lenses (non-zoom) will be sharper than zoom lenses, this is probably due to not having to pack the zoom technology within the lens. Though there are very good zoom lenses as well. So, even though Nikkor lenses are very good, there will be some lenses that are "better" than others within the Nikkor family..

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Comment #15

To answer your question more directly... Nikkor lenses are arguably the best lenses in terms of image quality, build and technology..

I'm not a professional, but have done a lot of research and reading on this before I went with Nikon .

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Comment #16

Hi,.

Throwing my two cents in ....

I have a D70 and D40x (not a D40) but the same camera in terms of controls. I also have other cameras and I would vote for the D40 every time..

Don't worry about older lenses - you'll get an 18-55 which is a darn good lens. Save up for a 55-200VR and you'll have most things covered..

If you want more expensive glass there is plenty to choose from..

The screen and viewfinder are miles better on the D40. It has the ability to show RGB histograms (refer to Ken Rockwells site on how to do this)..

The camera is lighter and uses cheaper SD cards..

Cheers,.

Andyhttp://www.aj-imaging.co.uk..

Comment #17

Well, if the D70s you buy comes with a lens, that'd be the perfect one to start out with. If you buy a body only, the options are limited only by your wallet..

There are plenty of opinions on lenses in the Nikon SLR lens talk forum..

Ken Rockwell,http://www.kenrockwell.com and Thom Hoganhttp://www.bythom.com both have extensive sites that give opinions on lens quality. Rockwell has a tendency to write opinions on lenses he's never owned. Both have vocal followings. I haven't seen too many Hogan detractors, (though I do remember one Pentax guy) while Rockwell has plenty mostly because he offers definitive opinions on lenses he's never touched..

Bjorn Rorslett has a very extensive and esoteric test of Nikon lenses here: http://www.naturfotograf.com/index2.html.

The only DX lens I owned when I used my D70 was a Tokina 12-24. I've since bought a 55-200 VR and a Tokina 10-17 fisheye zoom (amazingly fun toy) those are supplemented by a rather burdensome number of full frame primes and zooms that aren't worth listing since I doubt any are among those youd' consder in the beginning..

Your lens choice should be shaped mainly by it's ability to capture the images you prefer. If you can do that with a Sigma or Tamron or Tokina, that's not a bad thing. All lenses have tradeoffs, be it image quality, durability or speed or price..

You can answer best how that fits into your shooting style and budget..

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Comment #18

Karissa wrote:.

Thanks to everyone who helped with the D40/D70 argument. I decided togo toward the D70s route...I like the full manual mode better there.And the camera feels great when I hold it. I'm shopping on e-bay forthe D70s and the D80, and with the price difference, I'm wondering ifthe newer technology of the D80 is really that exciting. (New sensor,etc.) Yes, there's the 10.2 megapixels, but I think that might beoverkill for my style. I'm an amateur, but wanting to get way better!What do you think?.

Also, I hear a lot about lenses. Honestly, I haven't really begun tolook past the Nikkor lenses and the different sizes. Are Nikkorlenses ok? Are other lenses better than Nikkor that can be still usedon a Nikon?.

K.

Karissa ,.

Is the D70S even still available ? I just looked at a couple of dealers' websites and neither listed it anymore ..

For the price of a D70 , you can get a Pentax K10 D - there's no competition : the Pentax has a 10MP sensor , shake reduction , dust removal , weather sealing , a better viewfinder and better build qualityWhile one contributor above has stated that arguably Nikkor lenses are the best , plenty of others would argue just as strongly that Pentax lenses are better : there is strong feeling that the Pentax Limited series are currently the best lenses on the planet short of the ones we are born with  .

The K10D comes with shake reduction built into the body which will work with any lens you fit onto it - even the oldest manual K mount or screwmount lens in your collectionThere are plenty of high quality used Pentax lenses out there on the market to choose from ..

Don't buy an obsolete 6MP camera when you can have a brand new and superior 10MP camera for the same money ..

With kind regards.

Derek...

Comment #19

Derek, there's a lot of merit to what you say. If I was starting from scratch, I'd consider a K10D though I'd be curious on what exactly you're basing your price comparisons? A new K10D at B&H goes for about $130 more than a used D70S at KEH (which is typically the top price one would pay for used gear). That being said, Karissa was considering a D40 and a D70S that would suggest she may have another source for the D70S that would be considerably less probably closer to the D40. For someone looking at a D40, I'd consider the K100D Super as a more likely alternative. (Though apparently Pentax is offering a $50 rebate, the difference there is closer to negligible too..

Since the last Pentax I shot was a friend's ME super back in the early 1980s, I have no first-hand knowledge of their lenses. Though everything I've heard has been positive..

I do take issue with one thought. While the D70s is obsolete, the K10D is clearly on the way out too hence the rebate. Then again ALL cameras are essentially obsolete the moment they're on the showroom floor kinda like cars..

'Nice pen, bet you write good stories with it.'..

Comment #20

Ok, to clarify. I am looking at the Nikon D70s or the D80. I've outruled the D40, since I want to have easy, full manual control. The D40(X) takes some extra knob-turning for that..

So, I'm curious about the Pentax K10D (Or was it K100? I have heard both- not sure of the products Pentax makes, honestly.) Is it more comparable to the D70s? The higher megapixels sure is tempting... I'll definately take a look..

K..

Comment #21

Hi, so I'm flip-flopping around here. Your suggestions are all so helpful! I'm looking at a Nikon D70s sale that includes 3 lenses. I want to know if they are useful/versatile, like they'll tie me over until I have money again.  I LOVE taking really close shots (which I think the first two of these lenses won't let me do) and I love being able to really capture scenery (I live in Colorado and am still trying to figure out how to make rock formations look as big as they are.)These are what the guy is selling with the camera:Nikkor 18-70mm DXNikkor AFS 55-200mm Zoom.

Normal AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D Autofocus Lens (This also has a 52mm UV Filter on it) does this one not have manual option?.

THANKS!K..

Comment #22

Karissa wrote:.

Hi, so I'm flip-flopping around here. Your suggestions are all sohelpful! I'm looking at a Nikon D70s sale that includes 3 lenses. Iwant to know if they are useful/versatile, like they'll tie me overuntil I have money again.  I LOVE taking really close shots (whichI think the first two of these lenses won't let me do) and I lovebeing able to really capture scenery (I live in Colorado and am stilltrying to figure out how to make rock formations look as big as theyare.)These are what the guy is selling with the camera:Nikkor 18-70mm DXNikkor AFS 55-200mm ZoomNormal AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D Autofocus Lens (This also has a 52mm UVFilter on it) does this one not have manual option?.

THANKS!K.

Those are three great lenses, I have two of three myself actually. In fact, we have a fair amount in common as we both live in colorado, so landscapes are a big part of our daily life. Theres not much of a substitute in landscapes for the 18-70, especially when you throw a polarizing filter on (definitely something you should check into, it will make your skies much more dramatic). And actually this lens i've found is the best for close to macro shots, it'll let you get pretty close. It's no substitute for a real macro lens but it will get you close for the time being..

I also have the 50mm f/1.8, which is an incredibly cheap (about $100) lens but it's tough to beat, especially for the price. It's a great portrait lens and the fast aperture gives you an opportunity to shoot in all situations, most of the time without a tripod. It's fantastic..

I haven't personally used the 55-200 but it's another good choice to complete your working range. You'll be able to shoot wide landscapes with the 18-70, but with the 55-200 you'll be able to catch some of that wildlife that creeps up on you when you're out in the field..

And yes, manual is an option for the 50mm, as well as every other lens you can buy. The camera is actually what determines if you can manually expose your pictures, and every slr will have manual control available. The only thing the 50mm won't let you do is zoom, you'll have to back up or move closer, but don't let that discourage you, it really is a great lens..

I don't know anything about the k10d so I guess this is my cue to shut up. Have fun..

Ryanhttp://www.ryandearth.com..

Comment #23

Another Coloradan here .

That's all..

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Comment #24

Nikonparrothead ,.

I was basing my prices on what the cameras are/were selling for here in ScotlandI looked at two of the main retailers websites here - Jessops and Calumet ..

Everyone seems to be selling the K10D for 499 incl kit lens , most dealers will not bend on the price of the camera but will do deals on bundled items like extra lenses or SD cardsThe cheaper Pentax alternative is the 6MP K100D Super which seems to be selling for around 380/390 :- for just over 100 more you can have the K10D so it hardly seems a difficult choice to meThe previous K100D (not Super) was selling for 299 so there was a big enough price difference to make you stop and think about it ..

The D70S , when last I looked I think was selling for around 700Secondhand examples will , of course , be lessIt never occurred to me that Karissa was considering a secondhand D70S as an option to a new D40 , but it's a fair comparisonIf someone is selling a kit secondhand for a bargain price then it is definitely worth a look ..

I rate the K10D as on a par with the D200 ( I use a D200 at work ) which costs twice as much and has no shake reductionAt home I use Pentax film gear and have an *istD which I will probably upgrade if/when the rumoured pro Pentax body appears next year/whenever ; I am in no hurry as the *ist D still produces great results and I still use my MZ-S and LX film bodies a lot ..

I get paid tomorrow (Thu) and am going out to buy a K10D kit for my daughter's 21st birthday which is on October 1stSo I am putting my money where my mouth is ....

Good luck with your own choice Karissa ..

With kind regards.

Derek...

Comment #25

Derek,.

It sounds like you are satisfied with both Pentax and Nikon. Any arguments for one over the other?.

K..

Comment #26

Albert-O,.

I thought maybe you were a Coloradan; I looked on your website after your suggestions to see some pics. Looked familiar!.

K..

Comment #27

D70 is real DSLR, not that much point and shot. It allow you to do much more and it can use old non AF-S lenses..

D40x is great easy DSLR, if you do not wan to get really into bussines D40x is better for you..

D40x has nicer "as it is" pictures, resolution and exp. measurement. D70 more features..

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Comment #28

Just curious as to what camera/lens(es) you decided on .

Albert-O.

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Comment #29

The biggest difference is that the D70 has the metering of the D200. The D40 can only be manually focused on older lenses..

D40 has better, out of camera jpegs and better high ISO performance. D70 has better metering. I own both, haven't used my D70 in almost a year, the D40 is a great camera. As for build quality, the D40 can hold it's own. I used it for a three week trip through China, Thailand and Cambodia and was pleasantly surprised. It took all the beating I gave it.

It's not a P&S. It's everybit as good as any other dSLR on he market. You just need to know how to use it, just like any other dSLR on the market..

Now, don't get me wrong, the D70 takes great pictures. Better than the D80, D40 & D40x in my opinion, simply because the metering is better...but the D40 adds enjoyment to the great picture quality. Probably the best all around dSLR I've ever used..

John..

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