Dear every body,.
I bought a domain from some one 1 month ago, he transferred the domain.
From his network solutions account to my godaddy account. I received the.
Domain and renewed it for 6 years in advance.
He received his money cash in hand with out any problem. until now.
Every body is happy.
The problem is as follow:.
I logged in to my godaddy account yesterday, I found all my domains.
There except the domain I bought from the guy, it disappeared. I ran directly.
To the who is service to see that the domain is still under my name. and.
Even the email which I use under that domain is still working, sending.
And receiving emails with out any problem.
It looked like a weird problem, because if it was transferred away I would.
Receive an email at least so I would be alerted.
Any how, I called godaddy customer service ... and they said that I have to.
Contact undo department regarding this particular domain.
I did what they told me to do ... I sent an email to.
Explaining the problem of disappearance of one of my domains.
They replied me that the previous owner of the domain disputed the transfer.
Thus the domain now is not active and locked until the investigation is.
Completed. ( but am not sure locked by who, network solutions or godaddy).
I sent an email back to undo department explaining to them that I bought.
The domain from the previous owner and the transfer was 100% legal.
Who you think would keep the domain ? me or him ?
If the transfer is legal would he be able to get the domain back ?
Any opinions ? on what shall I do ?
Am afraid that am gonna lose both, because he looks like a scammer.
Just make sure you have a paper trail of what happened. It is possible the domain was hijacked then sold, it happened to me one time before.
I might be the original registrant disputing it and not the seller.
I would just gather all the facts, so you can present the full story...
You do not mention any payment method other than he received his money "cash in hand"......Does this mean you actually handed over cash personally and that you know this person?.
What was the domain? Was the deal too good to be true that you should have had alarm bells ringing?..
Thanks for the advice.
Well, I don't know the person. but I saw his add in one of the domain names forums.
I contacted him and he was living in my region. so he suggested that we should meet.
In person and make the deal. the deal wasn't too good to be.
True, or I would feel that there is something suspicious. I payed 4 figures amount...
If you can contact him personally, then ask him why the transfer was disputed and the domain in question is under investigation, does he really own the domain?..
Mayed, did you get a receipt for the funds you handed over? Hopefully you have some form of evidence that you actually paid for the domain or this is going to be a struggle for you..
Also, does the seller have a good reputation on the forum that you saw his ad. Is it someone we should all be aware of?..
In fact I dont know about his reputation, but he sounds honest.
We made a small contract stated that there is a purchase between the two partys ( price and the domain ) we both signed it ... as a security precaution.
So you mean if I have an evidence ... my situation would be better.
If this is what you mean ... yes I have the paper that we both signed ...
I'm gonna be honest with ya: You're screwed. You should always pay for domains in a way in which the payment cannot be disputed. The seller could easily file a dispute, claiming that the transfer wasn't authorized by him. And you, unless you were given a receipt, cannot prove that you gave him any payment. Sorry but you lost out $x,xxx...
Not nearly enough info here to say anything, other than it sounds like the seller is either a scammer or that we are getting 1/2 the story...
The name and the seller were...?..
If the domain is determined to be "stolen", you will lose it.
You mention Network Solutions - that's a bad sign ... if the domain was regged there many years ago and only recently transferred, it's highly likely it's "stolen".
Research the ownership history of the domain - who owned it, and when.
View the domain's Whois History at DomainTools - signup for a membership there or have a current DomainTools member look up that info.
Why would he do such a thing to you?.
He met you personally.
That paper you've both signed can become your proof that you paid him this much, I'm suspecting the domain might be stolen...
I would read that small contract very carefully. Maybe the domain on it doesn't match the one you think you bought. Know what I mean? Maybe the one on the conract is a typo, missing a letter, or has an additional. In other words, maybe he set you up, and you don't know it.
This way he could dispute it legally..
I hope this didn't happen, but you just need to make sure what ius on that contract..
Example: You think you bought : Somethinglike.com , contract say Samethinglike.com.
Your only posts here are in regards to this issue... you contacted the member here or elsewhere?..
How did you know he is what he said is? Did you check his ID?..
Well I understand your point here buddy, but what happened is.
That he made the transfer in front of my eyes. meaning that.
We both sat beside each other in Starbucks, he logged in his.
Account and initiated the transfer. I was in my account as well.
And and I took the authorization code from him and I made the.
Transfer. so it seemed to me like a legal transfer initiated.
By his hand, that's why I wasn't concerned.
Thank you for your response pal, in fact the seller is the owner.
Of the domain. at least this what it sound when I met him face to face.
I called him after the dispute happened and his phone was switched.
Off .... to be honest with you I was assuming that the seller.
Is the owner because he logged in to the account ( which is in network Solutions ).
In front of my eyes and initiated the transfer. not only that, but also.
I had the authorization code orally while he was setting beside me.
I hope this is an answer to the other half of the story.
I saw his ad in another forum .. not namepros.com.
In fact he was trying to take viewers opinions on how much.
His domain might worth, and I sent him a private message then we decided to.
Negotiate on the phone as long as both of us live in the same region.
Your Quote : "If the domain is determined to be "stolen", you will lose it.".
How it will be determined as stolen if the guy transferred the domain by his.
Hands and in front of my eyes, am not expert in this situations but.
How the registrar will say that it is stolen.
Well I did what you said, I researched the domain in domain tools.
And I found that the domain already transferred 3 times before the last transfer.
It was 2 years in net sol .... and 4 years in register.com and then.
Transferred back to netsol for another 2 years now, the owner is the same.
During all those transfers. the last transfer is to godaddy ( which is my case ).
Thanks your for your suggestion it was very helpful man.
The only thing that explain his dispute, maybe some one else.
Contacted him and offered him more $$$ after he transferred the domain.
So he just decided to dispute , get the domain back and sell it for higher price.
I read every letter and it was saying the domain.
Exactly man. there is no typo or anything.
Well buddy .. I wasn't concerned about his ID specially he looked like.
A very well dressed and decent to be honest the idea of asking him.
About his ID wasn't in my mind at all. all what I was thinking of is finishing.
The deal and every body walks away happy.
Thank you every body for interacting with me ....
What a bummer of a situation. I hope it works out well for you...
If he lives in the region pay him a visit with your local cops.
Let him clarify to them $x,xxx is big money most anywhere.
And the contract should suffice as proof, I hope you've sent a scanned copy to godaddy. Also, get a lawyer...
Thanks for your comment.
In fact visiting him with the cops would be my last action.
Am still waiting for godaddy to reply me ... they said that they will let me.
Know about the result of their investigation which will not take longer than 2 weeks ...
But they didn't ask me to send.
Any documents or any proofs ... maybe because the domain was already in.
My account for more than a month ...
Do they usually ask for documents ? for all cases ?
Because they didn't ask me anything for so what ever ...
They saw in their system that the transfer was legal ... and smooth ..
The transfer occurred and authorization code was provided ...
Thats why maybe they didn't ask me to send any documents ...
Am not sure buddy...
Heck, why not contact the place you met and see if you can get security camera video... if need be, contact local police on the 'scam' and use their tools to help catch the guy.....
Even if the transfer from the seller to you was 100% legit, the seller may have been, perhaps unknowingly, in possession of a "stolen" domain. If "stolen", the transfer of the domain from the seller to you doesn't change that - the rightful owner, in many instances, regardless of numerous transfers in the interrim, would still have the right to get it back.
You mention meeting the seller in person - hopefully you know who the seller is and can get your money back. If the domain is determined to be "stolen", the seller is obligated to refund your money in full.
With all that said, you mention the sellers phone no longer working - that's a bad sign.
Recluse99 is spot on - contact the local police and/or hire an attorney to get a subpoena for a copy of the security camera video. And since the transaction took place face to face, the local police, especially if the amount is in the thousands, will likely be helpful.
Who keeps the domain would be depending on what the undo dept finds. I'd definitely send then a copy of the sales contract, even if they haven't asked for it.
I assume you have the sellers address? Then I'd go round to his home immediately and ask him why he is disputing the transfer...
Perhaps, but from my understanding, the decision is, for all practical purposes, up to the "losing" registrar - if they (Network Solutions) believe it's "stolen", GoDaddy will transfer it back and let the "losing" registrar deal with the matter.
A written sales contract is often meaningless in regards to retaining "stolen" property.
However, such a contract, depending on how it's drafted, can be helpful for a buyer to get a refund from the seller.
New update ......
I called the guy today and I found him .... I just asked him why he disputed the.
Transfer after he sold the domain ... ? guess what was the answer.
He just said that some one offered him 30% higher price ... and he is sorry.
For the dispute .. but business is business .... and he is willing to pay me back the.
Amount I payed him ...
But folks, do you think this is fair ? ...
The seller of a domain can just change his mind and submit a dispute ?
With no rights that can protect the buyer ?
This is the first time I buy a domain ... and am shocked about the whole thing.
Specially that the buyer cant do anything..
You should be communicating that conversation to the undo dept also. Sounds like blackmail to me. Report him to your police...
Try to find out if the seller is a longtime forum user here and/or on DNForum.
If so, make clear you will reveal who they are publicly (after you double-check their info privately with some regulars here), if they don't follow-through on the deal as agreed.
Personally, my suggestion is go with the "safe" choice ... meet up with the person again and get your cash (don't accept anything else; no paypal, no checks, etc) back in full and move on.
Contacting the cops is bad advice and will not resolve anything but make you look fooloish..
This is a civil matter...
I agree with Ron. Do your best to get your money back and walk away and take it as a lesson learned..
I hope that cat never gets a chance to do business with anyone, ever again. Deal is a deal.
You say you logged in to YOUR GoDaddy Account from HIS computer?.
He could just have had a keylogger in his PC, traced your password, and framed it as "Stolen".
Good Luck getting your domain back!..
No buddy am not dump to the extend where I will log in from.
His computer .... I logged in from my personal notebook ..
And hewas setting beside me with his own notebook as well .....
Believe it or not a handshake means something even to this day. There was an obvious agreement to the transaction. My crude advice is to not be a b**ch in this matter and tell him you will file a civil suit. Remind him thats it's only business as he once told you. Also, he is running the risk of being more liable than the price of the domain.
You need to understand that you call the shots in this situation; not him. Make that extra 30% he was after a lesson for him and others like him.
PS A packet sniffer would have done the job, but that doesn't apply here - The guy admitted he was offered 30%+..
Lol.....didnt read your last post there.
Anyways.....business is business and you have a written contract, file a civil law suit, let him pay the charges, good luck!..
Well buddy, am still waiting fro godaddy undo department to reply me.
I explained to them that the transfer was legitimate and they even.
Realized that from looking at my account records ... and I hope they.
Would be fair with me ....
If they do ... ( hopefully they will ).
No need to offer him the extra 30% ...and I will keep the domain ...
In addition, this would be a good lesson on how to deal with such situation.
Not only for me ..but also the result would be a good knowledge addition.
To any one who read this thread ...
I will keep you updated on what will happened ..
No worries buddy we all some times mis reading.
Well am not gonna make any move untill I get a reply from godaddy ...
Law suite would be the last thing to do.
Thanks for your comments man..
For his personal humiliation, would you please post his name?..
I hope you conveyed the information to godaddy that he disseminated to you about receiving another offer... that should nullify his attempt to get the name back.
Its shady at best, criminal at worst what he did. Filing a false complaint is, afaik, criminal in most if not all jurisdictions. Did you get that statement in writing or on the phone? If writing, send a copy of it to Godaddy!.
Good luck... this guy is a sheister... this isn't 'business'... he is trying to rip you off. If you go buy a car for $10,000 and the next day someone offers him $11,000... that doesn't give him the right to come take the car back to sell it to another player...
He is a scam artist..
Hey every one,.
I am here today to update you with the last portion of the story.
In fact I was waiting for the results of the investigation team of godaddy.
I didnt get any reply in a matter of fact ... I was stunned to see the domain.
Appearing in my domains list under my account again am very happy for this.
I am pleased and satisfied ... and godaddy proved that they are the number 1.
Registrar by all means.
But the question now ..... can the seller file another dispute again ?
I hope he cant..
He could. And he might be ignored.
Just be ready for that possibility, however irritating it is...
My head tells me to move the domain... maybe someone else can comment ... could that hurt the op to move the domain to another registrar? Seems it would be safer so Godaddy can't just pull it away again...