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My son will be taking Digatal Photography in school next year
So the question is What SLR should we get?.

My son has been taking pictures for about 6 years with digatal camaras. An on line friend that is a professional photographer has seen his "work" and raved about his talent and ability to catch "the moment". (Not sure what that ment but was told that is good).

My son wants to get more serious about photography and is realy hyped about the corse next year. I want him to have good equiptment but I do not have a deep wallet..

What SRL would you sugest for a 9th grade highschool student that will be of good quality, expandable, last for a while (4 years?), and be cost effective not only for the initial purchase but also cost effective for future upgrades such as lenses..

He likes taking pictures of people and nature and also takes pictures of racing kart races (subjects moving at 60 pluss MPH)..

I turn my delema over to you the experts. Thank you.

Eric..

Comments (27)

I'd talk to the instructor and see what he/she recommends.(And if they recommend getting it NOW or waiting till schools starts).

I imagine that a great many people can debate the merits of getting one NOW to experiment..

Comment #1

I'll give you my standard "outside of the box" recommendation, that you probably won't take...but you should..

I'd get him a Nikon D1H. Yes, it's old. However, it's still a professional digital camera. It's durable. It focuses well (important for kart racing). The files sizes are manageable (even in RAW/NEF), yet look fantastic..

You can nab one for less than $500..

If I had a kid in his position, that's what he'd be shooting with...

Comment #2

Cost effective and lenses don't mix well..

Pentax and Nikon can use old manual focus lenses that you can find cheaper used for each. Each body has different limitations, they obviously don't autofocus with old manual lenses and on some nikon bodies don't meter, I don't know what kind of limitations pentax has if any. Otherwise lenses normally dwarf the purchase price of a camera body once you leave the kit lens arena..

A used body and kit lens would be reasonable if you don't mind taking a chance on used equipment. Otherwise there is a large selection of new entry level cameras around $500 that will suffice..

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Comment #3

I have the Canon XT and love it. It can be purchased for about $450 with the kit lens..

Whatever he gets, it sounds like this is something he'll be interested in for a long time. I'd give serious thought as to which line he prefers (nikon, canon, olympus, etc). That way, as he (or you) buys more lenses for the camera, he won't feel later that he wants to switch brands, and therefore any lenses purchased can't be used anymore if he does switch..

LIke another poster said, it would be good to speak with the instructor. He/She may already have an SLR with lenses and this could be an option too (borrowing lenses). Just one thing to think about..

As for the XT, one complaint I've seen is that people think it's too small thus hard to grip. So your son may want to handle one before buying (should handle any camera actually before buying). The frames per second may be on the low end for action/sports type photography, although it's certainly doable. Other than that, I love the cam..

Just trying to learn.

Blog: http://novicephotog.blogspot.com/Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/9778447@N07/..

Comment #4

I would certainly ask the teacher. Never hurts to use the same brand as the teacher..

Every digital camera I've had has "lasted" more than four years. That doesn't mean camera improvements haven't come at a rate where I wanted to wait four years. I have, so far..

Don't even consider lenses and lens-buying-addiction. My first camera was a twin-lens reflex that had only the fixed lens. It was a great old Yashicamat and I learned a lot with it. Then I got an Exacta with a 50mm lens. A few months later I got a wife so I never got another lens. I took a lot of photos with that 50mm lens, won a few prizes, and had a heck of a lot of fun..

Patrick T. KellyOaxaca, Mexico..

Comment #5

Before getting a camera check with the course guidelines. My son took a photogrpahy class last year and digital was not permitted, film only. I cou;dn't understand it myslf but it came down to the personal prejudice of the instructor..

The expandability of a system is in the lenses, IMO. Camera bodies will be replaced, good lenses will stay with you. Now I'm not one to talk about this since I use two systems that aren't as expandable as most but my collection of good lenses keeps me with them. Canon and Nikon offer the widest selection of lenses, both their own and the third party lenses from Sigma, Tokina, and Tamron.My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com.

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Comment #6

Ditto on the size thing. I just bought my Canon XSi, but that's because after I handled the XT, XTi, and the XSi, XSi was finally large enough for me to comfortably hold. I mean, yes, there are other things for me such as the live view and SD card format, but I think the holding comfort is #1 priority...

Comment #7

Thanks for the info guys. I have more info that I had..

My son is enrolled in a virtual public charter highschool (next year) The school has taken the stance that "The student needs a digital camara." If you ask them for recomondations you get the same reply (The student needs a digital camara).

This board has been very helpful so far. Please keep the comments comming..

Eric..

Comment #8

Oh yes, one thing I think is important - take him out and let him handle any camera you are considering buying. It has to feel comfortable in his hands if he's going to use it.My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com.

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Comment #9

Eric,.

I think you need to tell the forum members your budget for this camera. Then wait for the recommendations to roll in..

The just replaced (or about to) Canon 30D or the Nikon D80 for less that $800US are really nice cameras at a really good price..

Jeff..

Comment #10

Actually, a lot, maybe most, university-level photography courses insist on manual cameras as opposed to digital..

There was a recent thread on another forum here where the arguments of the virtues of using manual vs digital cameras as a teaching tool raged back and forth. Most of the arguments in favour of manual cameras were that it enables the student to really learn about controlling light without "interference" from a digital camera. My argument is that using manual cameras levels the playing field as much as possible so that all students will be using the same film with similar cameras and results can be analyzed appropriately..

A course like the one described by the OP may be more about the digital aspects of photography rather than photgraphy itself..

Marion.

Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote:.

Before getting a camera check with the course guidelines. My sontook a photogrpahy class last year and digital was not permitted,film only. I cou;dn't understand it myslf but it came down to thepersonal prejudice of the instructor...

Comment #11

Do you really mean manual cameras, or are you using "manual" in place of "film"?Both film SLRs & digital DSLRs have similar functionality for manual control..

Mhc_99 wrote:.

Actually, a lot, maybe most, university-level photography coursesinsist on manual cameras as opposed to digital..

There was a recent thread on another forum here where the argumentsof the virtues of using manual vs digital cameras as a teaching toolraged back and forth. Most of the arguments in favour of manualcameras were that it enables the student to really learn aboutcontrolling light without "interference" from a digital camera. Myargument is that using manual cameras levels the playing field asmuch as possible so that all students will be using the same filmwith similar cameras and results can be analyzed appropriately..

A course like the one described by the OP may be more about thedigital aspects of photography rather than photgraphy itself..

Marion.

Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote:.

Before getting a camera check with the course guidelines. My sontook a photogrpahy class last year and digital was not permitted,film only. I cou;dn't understand it myslf but it came down to thepersonal prejudice of the instructor..

PatcoA photograph is more than a bunch of pixels..

Comment #12

To clarify, I was referring to manual film cameras. And yes, you can put many digital cameras into full manual control, but as is argued on these forums endlessly, different cameras can render the same scene differently and digital cameras process RAW images to some degree. There are fewer differences between fully manual film cameras. I can only imagine the excuses and complaints between students who can only afford a Canon 350D and ones who can afford a Nikon D3..

Marion.

Patco wrote:.

Do you really mean manual cameras, or are you using "manual" in placeof "film"?Both film SLRs & digital DSLRs have similar functionality for manualcontrol..

Mhc_99 wrote:.

Actually, a lot, maybe most, university-level photography coursesinsist on manual cameras as opposed to digital..

There was a recent thread on another forum here where the argumentsof the virtues of using manual vs digital cameras as a teaching toolraged back and forth. Most of the arguments in favour of manualcameras were that it enables the student to really learn aboutcontrolling light without "interference" from a digital camera. Myargument is that using manual cameras levels the playing field asmuch as possible so that all students will be using the same filmwith similar cameras and results can be analyzed appropriately..

A course like the one described by the OP may be more about thedigital aspects of photography rather than photgraphy itself..

Marion.

Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote:.

Before getting a camera check with the course guidelines. My sontook a photogrpahy class last year and digital was not permitted,film only. I cou;dn't understand it myslf but it came down to thepersonal prejudice of the instructor..

PatcoA photograph is more than a bunch of pixels..

Comment #13

Please don't take any advice you get here..

Contact the school again. Find out the name of the instructor who will be teaching the course. Contact that specific teacher and ask the question. Only the person teaching the course is in any position to recommend anything..

I think the D1H recommendation is proof that you will get lots of bad advice mixed with some good, but without the instructor's input, you won't know which is which..

Nothing is enough for the man to whom nothing is enough...

Comment #14

Reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit, though you are quite the Snark Queen..

The OP posted this: "My son is enrolled in a virtual public charter highschool (next year) The school has taken the stance that "The student needs a digital camara." If you ask them for recomondations you get the same reply (The student needs a digital camara)".

So, your advice isn't worth the pixels that died to display it, while I stand by mine..

Aletheia wrote:.

Please don't take any advice you get here..

Contact the school again. Find out the name of the instructor whowill be teaching the course. Contact that specific teacher and askthe question. Only the person teaching the course is in any positionto recommend anything..

I think the D1H recommendation is proof that you will get lots of badadvice mixed with some good, but without the instructor's input, youwon't know which is which..

Nothing is enough for the man to whom nothing is enough...

Comment #15

DonAvebury wrote:.

Reading comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit, though you arequite the Snark Queen..

The OP posted this: "My son is enrolled in a virtual public charterhighschool (next year) The school has taken the stance that "Thestudent needs a digital camara." If you ask them for recomondationsyou get the same reply (The student needs a digital camara)".

So, your advice isn't worth the pixels that died to display it, whileI stand by mine..

Aletheia wrote:.

Please don't take any advice you get here..

Contact the school again. Find out the name of the instructor whowill be teaching the course. Contact that specific teacher and askthe question. Only the person teaching the course is in any positionto recommend anything..

I think the D1H recommendation is proof that you will get lots of badadvice mixed with some good, but without the instructor's input, youwon't know which is which..

Nothing is enough for the man to whom nothing is enough..

Read my response again..

My advice was to contact the school for the name of the instructor of the course and ask THAT person. I stand by that advice, and really think it is a much better idea than to rush out and buy a D1H on the off chance it will be the best choice..

Nothing is enough for the man to whom nothing is enough...

Comment #16

My advice is to bypass the school administration and contact the instructor directly if at all possible. There may be some minimums to the equipment, there may be no requirements, there may be very specific ones. I've heard of all three, and the school usually didn't know, the instructor did..

If it remains your choice with no guidelines or requirements, there are any number of excellent and relatively inexpensive DSLRs out there. Olympus, Nikon, Canon, Pentax and Sony all have excellent low-end DSLRs. Each have slightly different strengths and weaknesses (to a truly confusing and dizzying degree). I personally like the Nikons for their ergonomics and broad lens selection, but if you handed me it's Canon equivalent I'd probably would have been just as happy. The bottom line is they all take pretty darn good pictures, and it comes down more to the specifics of the person involved..

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Comment #17

Aletheia wrote:.

Read my response again..

My advice was to contact the school for the name of the instructor ofthe course and ask THAT person. I stand by that advice, and reallythink it is a much better idea than to rush out and buy a D1H on theoff chance it will be the best choice..

Aletheia, you're the one who needs to be doing some reading..

When did anyone say to "rush out" and buy anything?.

Or is it just your SOP to misrepresent the posts of others?.

I think the D1H is an interesting idea worth of consideration, as would an older pro Canon camera. I would rather see my child learn with an older professional camera than a newer "toy" camera...

Comment #18

Snycer wrote:.

Aletheia wrote:.

Read my response again..

My advice was to contact the school for the name of the instructor ofthe course and ask THAT person. I stand by that advice, and reallythink it is a much better idea than to rush out and buy a D1H on theoff chance it will be the best choice..

Aletheia, you're the one who needs to be doing some reading..

When did anyone say to "rush out" and buy anything?.

Or is it just your SOP to misrepresent the posts of others?.

I think the D1H is an interesting idea worth of consideration, aswould an older pro Canon camera. I would rather see my child learnwith an older professional camera than a newer "toy" camera..

You are absolutely right..

I was a complete idiot to use the word "rush". How stupid of me! It makes everything I said completely without merit. Thank you for pointing that out..

You have changed my life, and likely the life of the OP, and his son..

We are all grateful..

Nothing is enough for the man to whom nothing is enough...

Comment #19

I would get a camera with the best VF I could get..

Liveview etc. are not really important in the learning process...

Comment #20

This is actually a very simple question to answer: ANY dslr cameras will do fine. You might consider taking him to the shop and let him choose his favourite within your means..

Sure, you can call the school or even the instructor, but from my experience they will be okay with every dslr out there...even entry level ones..

I do have one thing for you to consider:.

If there is a good chance that he will be doing studioclasses as well there then it would be nice if his camera has a x-sync socket for studio flashes. You can get add-ons instead that go on the flashmount but I never have been to crazy about those..

And oh, a flash unit to can bounce would be nice too  Even more if it can swivel as well..

For starters even a kitlens (zoom) would be okay. He doesn't need class A lenses for such a course...

Comment #21

DonAvebury wrote:.

The OP posted this: "My son is enrolled in a virtual public charterhighschool (next year) The school has taken the stance that "Thestudent needs a digital camara." If you ask them for recomondationsyou get the same reply (The student needs a digital camara)".

I do not see that statement in the post to which she replied. Farther down the thread, Op makes that clarification. But, again, not in the post to which she replied..

So, your advice isn't worth the pixels that died to display it, whileI stand by mine..

Harsh words..

Dave PattersonMidwestshutterbug.com'When the light and composition are strong, nobodynotices things like resolution or pincushion distortion'Gary Friedman..

Comment #22

I agree with Aletheia, contact the instructor if possible or see if you can talk to a student who took the class previously. It sounds like the school doesn' t want to get into promoting certain brands but certainly they could let you know the type of camera/features you'd need. I don't know how valuable a class this would be if you don't have the right tools...

Comment #23

I've not read all the posts, I'm sure there are some good recommendations. But what is the budget?Either you are in charge of the camera, or it is in charge of you...

Comment #24

Midwest Shutterbug wrote:.

Harsh words..

Yes. That's what happens when this sort of attitude is copped....

"I think the D1H recommendation is proof that you will get lots of bad advice mixed with some good...".

While you may not agree with my suggestionthat you buy a professional tool, rather than a consumer implementit is clearly insulting to refer to it as "bad advice."..

Comment #25

I would try to find out what the instructor recomends. In any event, if your son shows promise and enjoys photography, I would get him a good DSLR anyway. I would get the camera well befores school begins as these DSLR's have learning curves.Ed..

Comment #26

Tennanah wrote:.

I would get the camera well befores school beginsas these DSLR's have learning curves..

I'm suspecting that's why they are enrolled in a photography class is to learn just those things on said curve..

On another note..

To manage a budget with a reputable dealer there is keh.com that is a very good source for used equipment..

You can get a Oly e300 for as little as $189 + another $100 for a kit lens to go with. 8mp for under $300 would be a great beginner dslr. that's just one example of how little you can get into a very capable dslr for allowing one to get their feet wet without a huge outlay. If it goes nowhere one could recoup most of the outlay back by selling the equipment for similar to it's purchase price..

Good luck. the good news is any of them will do a great job...

Comment #27

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