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my first DSLR, So much on D40 and 400D, how about E-410???
Hi everyone,.

This is my first post here. I've read this forum for a while. And I love every comments here. I want to buy my first entry level DSLR. I own dsc-v1 and enjoy using it's manual mode. I am interested in E-410, E-510, D40x, and 400D.



I like E-410 because it's compact size. But I worry about it's lack of IS. I like to take pictures of a night scene, but sometimes I don't have my tripod with me. With my V1 it's impossible to take night scene with out tripod..

I have the following questions..

Can DSLR take a good night scene photo without tripod?Do you think IS will help in this situation?And are there any way to compensate this feature for E-410, EX. VR lens?.

What about E-510 compare to D40x in terms of feature and IQ?.

I'm in Japan so I'm thinking about buying a camera body and a decent 18-50mm lens with a total price less than or around 100,000 yen. I like to take town photo, people, and everything interesting! Any suggestion on this?.

Thanks for every comments!.

Gab..

Comments (15)

NO camera can take a night scene hand held even WITH IS! IS is for MINOR camera shake. You will need a tripod regardless of the camera you buy if you intend to do long exposures. (say more than 1/30 of a second - and even then, you are getting into a VERY gray area)STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #1

I am new to DSLR too, and I bought Pentax K100D. Most reviews I've read seems to rate K100D as best 6MP camera. My objective is to learn more about photography, and with K100D/Pentax promotion going on right now, it seems like a logical entry point...

Comment #2

Glen Barrington wrote:.

NO camera can take a night scene hand held even WITH IS! IS is forMINOR camera shake. You will need a tripod regardless of the camerayou buy if you intend to do long exposures. (say more than 1/30 of asecond - and even then, you are getting into a VERY gray area).

You're not correct. When you use wide to normal angle, image stabilisation makes possible to take pictures with longer exposure than 1/30 sec..

For example, here's hand held 1/10 sec with in camera SR..

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However I agree with you that IS/VR/SR etc. isn't solution for night scenes, you won't be able to hand hold 10 seconds shot .

Edvinas..

Comment #3

Dante3 wrote:.

I like E-410 because it's compact size. But I worry about it's lack ofIS. I like to take pictures of a night scene, but sometimes I don'thave my tripod with me. With my V1 it's impossible to take nightscene with out tripod..

Hmm, why lack of image stabilisation in E-410 bothers you but doesn't bother lack of it in Nikon and Canon?.

Edvinas..

Comment #4

There are a limited selection of 4/3 IS lenses from Lecia. I don't know the specifics with the 4/3 system, but I believe these will work on the E410..

But anyways, as previously stated, there's really no substitute for a tripod in low-light...

Comment #5

Edvinas wrote:.

Dante3 wrote:.

I like E-410 because it's compact size. But I worry about it's lack ofIS. I like to take pictures of a night scene, but sometimes I don'thave my tripod with me. With my V1 it's impossible to take nightscene with out tripod..

Hmm, why lack of image stabilisation in E-410 bothers you but doesn'tbother lack of it in Nikon and Canon?.

Edvinas.

Edvinas, Thanks for pointing this out. I totally forgot. ..

Comment #6

Thanks for every comment. I think IS really is not a solution for night scene, but still, good to have. I guess I'll have to try them out at the shop!!!..

Comment #7

Plothole wrote:.

There are a limited selection of 4/3 IS lenses from Lecia. I don'tknow the specifics with the 4/3 system, but I believe these will workon the E410..

But anyways, as previously stated, there's really no substitute for atripod in low-light..

Isn't this Leica lens are very expensive?..

Comment #8

Yes, the Leica lenses are quite expensive, and yes they work quite well on ANY 4/3s camera..

I am surprised that no one has suggested you look at the Olympus E510 which HAS IS. It is only a bit larger than the E410 to accomodate a built in hand grip and a larger battery. Even so, it still compares quite favorably to your other candidate cameras.STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #9

Dante3 wrote:.

Can DSLR take a good night scene photo without tripod?.

Problem is you have to boost your ISO to around 1600 which produces very noisy images. Shooting at ISO 100 and using a tripod is the way to go. You'll get less noise and more detail..

Do you think IS will help in this situation?.

Maybe..

Bill.

Shoot liberally!..

Comment #10

I went to try every models listed today, I spend almost an hour trying every model. Here's my feeling..

I'm not very happy with D40x. I think it's a bit slow compare to other models. But the good thing is that it has a wide choices of lens.I'm impressed with 400D features, it focus so fast!!!But I like the touch and look of Olympus, both E-410 and E-510.I tried K100D also, it's also nice..

Finally, I really like E-410 or E-510. But, I'll have to study more about lens choice before I buy it..

Thanks everyone!..

Comment #11

Olympus E-410 and E-510 both have smaller sensor than Pentax K100D. From what I read this would result in more noise for low-light conditions compared to K100D. But K100K is only 6 MP, which may or may not be important for you...

Comment #12

Read the reviews for the E410/E510STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #13

Hi Glenn,.

I've read lots of review on E-410/E-510. I think I'll go for E-510 this Friday!It is not much bigger, plus the IS will be useful..

And I looked into your gallery, that's awesome!.

ThanksGab..

Comment #14

And I hope you enjoy your cameras!STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

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