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I have been in the market for a long lens to take pictures of sports at my school. Butafter much searching I realized I needed something more than just 200mm. However, anyting past 200mm becomes extremely expensive. I came acorss a 300mm prime lens for about $1K and wanted to see people's feelings for that lens for that price..

Also wondering how people manuever around a prime long lens. It seems already restrictive to prime short lenses that to get the right frame one has to move themeslves back andforth. How do people deal with it when it's a long lens. Is it less inconvienent or more? How do people take full advantage of a long prime lens? ny input would be super helpful. thanks.

TL..

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First of all, it would be helpful in this kind of post if you specify up front what type of camera you have. That will enable people to make specific comments about lenses that will fit your camera..

Having said that, I see from one of your other posts that you have a Canon 40D which, obviously, means Canon fit lenses and no in-camera IS..

Secondly, what sports do you want to shoot and indoors or outdoors? How close can you get?.

Thirdly, why do you think that you need a prime lens rather than, say, a 70-300 zoom? Do you need a fast lens (wide maximum aperture) or optimum image quality? Are you taking photographs for your own pleasure or the pleasure of your children, for your school or to sell (i.e. what image quality do you really need)?.

If you give us some more information it will be easier to help.Chris R..

Comment #1

Very sorry about that. Yes, I do have a Canon 40D.

I imagine that I'll be shoot more outdoor sports like Track and field events, softball, baseball games. But I also hope to use this for things like friends graduation. I can get as close as the bleachers but dont want to draw too much attention or become a distraction..

I considered the prime 300mm lens since it has a value price. However, a 28-300mm lens with L or IS becomes very expensive. Also the 70-200mm was somewhat reasonable but just out of my pocketbook range..

Idont plan to make a business from what I sell, but I hope to produce quality images to share and display. Much of it is for pleasure. I think it'll be important to have speed since most of what happens outdoors I dont have control over and i'll have to act fast to capture..

Hope that helps fill in the holes. Thanks for helping me more aware of those questions. It helps alot...

Comment #2

I've used the Sigma 50-500, Canon 70-200 F4L, 70-200F2.8L IS, and the Canon 300 F4L IS. I currently have the 70-200 2.8 and 300 F4L and sold the first two. For long reach I will NEVER use a zoom over 200mm again. More often than not, when you are shooting at full extension, it is either barely enough of still short. I don't think a long prime is nearly as restrictive as a short prime as when shooting long, you are almost always trying to get closer to your subject. The image quality of 300F4L with a 1.4 converter (420mm) FAR surpasses the Sigma at 500mm.

An L prime will breakdown less than something like the Sigma. If image quality is of utmost importance, go with the prime. See my example below. First shot, Sigma at 500mm, second shot Canon 300F4L IS with 1.4 converter. Both shot from the same seat, with the subject at the same place on the track and both shot with a Canon D60 (6.1MP) and heavily cropped..

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Terry 672 wrote:.

Very sorry about that. Yes, I do have a Canon 40D.

I imagine that I'll be shoot more outdoor sports like Track and fieldevents, softball, baseball games. But I also hope to use this forthings like friends graduation. I can get as close as the bleachersbut dont want to draw too much attention or become a distraction..

I considered the prime 300mm lens since it has a value price.However, a 28-300mm lens with L or IS becomes very expensive. Alsothe 70-200mm was somewhat reasonable but just out of my pocketbookrange..

Idont plan to make a business from what I sell, but I hope to producequality images to share and display. Much of it is for pleasure. Ithink it'll be important to have speed since most of what happensoutdoors I dont have control over and i'll have to act fast tocapture..

Hope that helps fill in the holes. Thanks for helping me more awareof those questions. It helps alot..

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Comment #3

I'm jsut a little confused on some of the things you mentioned. So when you said you'll "NEVER use zoom over 200mm..." do you mean you will not utilize a zoom lens for something more than 200mm? and that you'll rather stick to prime lens?.

When you say " I don't think a long prime.

Is nearly as restrictive as a short prime as when shooting long, you.

Are almost always trying to get closer to your subject. " do you mean thatwith a prime lens i'll always be trying to move my position?.

But those picutres and other info you gave me were great advice!. Thanks!.

IMac, therefore iAm wrote:.

I've used the Sigma 50-500, Canon 70-200 F4L, 70-200F2.8L IS, and theCanon 300 F4L IS. I currently have the 70-200 2.8 and 300 F4L andsold the first two. For long reach I will NEVER use a zoom over 200mmagain. More often than not, when you are shooting at full extension,it is either barely enough of still short. I don't think a long primeis nearly as restrictive as a short prime as when shooting long, youare almost always trying to get closer to your subject. The imagequality of 300F4L with a 1.4 converter (420mm) FAR surpasses theSigma at 500mm.

An L prime will breakdown less than somethinglike the Sigma. If image quality is of utmost importance, go with theprime. See my example below. First shot, Sigma at 500mm, second shotCanon 300F4L IS with 1.4 converter. Both shot from the same seat,with the subject at the same place on the track and both shot with aCanon D60 (6.1MP) and heavily cropped..

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Terry 672 wrote:.

Very sorry about that. Yes, I do have a Canon 40D.

I imagine that I'll be shoot more outdoor sports like Track and fieldevents, softball, baseball games. But I also hope to use this forthings like friends graduation. I can get as close as the bleachersbut dont want to draw too much attention or become a distraction..

I considered the prime 300mm lens since it has a value price.However, a 28-300mm lens with L or IS becomes very expensive. Alsothe 70-200mm was somewhat reasonable but just out of my pocketbookrange..

Idont plan to make a business from what I sell, but I hope to producequality images to share and display. Much of it is for pleasure. Ithink it'll be important to have speed since most of what happensoutdoors I dont have control over and i'll have to act fast tocapture..

Hope that helps fill in the holes. Thanks for helping me more awareof those questions. It helps alot..

Some cool cats that can use your helphttp://www.wildlife-sanctuary.org.

Even if you can't donate, please help spread the word...

Comment #4

Terry 672 wrote:.

I'm jsut a little confused on some of the things you mentioned. Sowhen you said you'll "NEVER use zoom over 200mm..." do you mean youwill not utilize a zoom lens for something more than 200mm? and thatyou'll rather stick to prime lens?.

Yes. Image quality is too critical IMO when shooting something that requires a long lens because it is usually far away and you really can't afford to give up anything at the expense of IQ... at least I'm not willing to. Whereas I find if I'm shooting 200mm or lower I'm relatively close to my subject and image breakdown isn't as much of a factor..

When you say " I don't think a long prime.

Is nearly as restrictive as a short prime as when shooting long, you.

Are almost always trying to get closer to your subject. " do you mean thatwith a > prime lens i'll always be trying to move my position?.

I'm saying with a short prime you're likely to find yourself moving around more. When I'm shooting long, I'm usually not moving around much - ie at a race. I might move around to change my vantage point, but once I find it I stick with it until I decide to find another vantage point. Comparably, if you're using a zoom in such a situation it's almost always going to be at it's longest focal length and you will still try to find the best vantage point to utilize the full extension of your lens. With sports it's very rare that you're close enough to zoom wider. Same goes for wildlife..

But those picutres and other info you gave me were great advice!.Thanks!..

Comment #5

For instance, if you're shooting baseball from high up in the stands, and you're not particularly interested in broader views (of the stadium, of all the bases at once, et cetera) then the shorter focal lengths will be less useful to you..

Conversely... if some of the action is very close to you, and some of the action is very far... then a single-focal length that's very long is going to be less useful. For example: I've informally shot at a municipal adult co-ed softball league, from just outside the right foul line, up and down the line as I saw fit. There is no single focal length that would have been appropriate for both shots at first base, and in the left outfield by the wall, but both quite possibly have interesting subjects..

Were I to have stuck with single-focal length lenses, I would need to have either gotten very fast at switching between multiple bodies (expensive, too!), to have voluntarily moved to a worse location where only long focal lengths mattered, or to have sacrificed substantial parts of the field as not meaningfully coverable...

Comment #6

Terry 672 wrote:.

Very sorry about that. Yes, I do have a Canon 40D.

I imagine that I'll be shoot more outdoor sports like Track and fieldevents, softball, baseball games. But I also hope to use this forthings like friends graduation. I can get as close as the bleachersbut dont want to draw too much attention or become a distraction..

I considered the prime 300mm lens since it has a value price.However, a 28-300mm lens with L or IS becomes very expensive. Alsothe 70-200mm was somewhat reasonable but just out of my pocketbookrange..

Idont plan to make a business from what I sell, but I hope to producequality images to share and display. Much of it is for pleasure. Ithink it'll be important to have speed since most of what happensoutdoors I dont have control over and i'll have to act fast tocapture..

Hope that helps fill in the holes. Thanks for helping me more awareof those questions. It helps alot..

In terms of focussing speed and continuous shooting capability, your 40D will be quite fast enough. If you are shooting outdoors you are unlikely to need "fast" lenses, i.e. lenses with a large maximum aperture (low f number). If you are shooting indoors in poor light, fast lenses become very important. IS is not so important for sports photography because you will normally need a high shutter speed to freeze the action..

I am not sure why you feel that you need to buy "L" lenses. These are big, heavy, expensive professional lenses. Canon, Sigma, Tamron etc. make perfectly acceptable telephoto zoom lenses which are much cheaper and lighter than L lenses, for example the Canon 70-300 f4-5.6 IS. This probably has perfectly acceptable quality for your purposes. (Don't get the Canon 75-300 f4-5.6 which is not a good quality lens.).

If you expect to become a very serious or professional photographer, then it might make sense to buy a top quality lens now if you can afford it and if you don't mind the size/weight penalty. Otherwise it makes much more sense to start off with a reasonable quality cheaper lens until you find out exactly what your longer term requirements are. In either case it makes more sense to start off with a general purpose telephoto zoom lens rather than a more specialised prime..

I suggest that you try to borrow any Canon fit lens with a maximum zoom of, say, 300mm. Go to a couple of sports events and see what maximum focal length you need. Then get specific advice on the Canon SLR lens forum about what length to buy.Chris R..

Comment #7

VERY sharp, very easy to focus (even stopped down a click) and, yes, cheap...I got each of these lenses off fleabay for UNDER $50...plus another $40each for a couple of adapters with focus confirm chip...which I also use on my 85/2 and 200/4 MF nikkors...best answer for me (regarding moving around) is to have a couple of bodies...you can get an XT now for well under $300....

Yes, they do require skillful eye-hand coordination, but if you're already experienced with MF lenses as I was from my film days, it's a great combo....

Here are two shots...the first taken with the 300mm/4.5 MF nikkor ...full frame...on my XT[img].

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This one 100% crop (life-size) taken with my 135/2.8 MF nikkor on my XT[img].

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Comment #8

IMac, therefore iAm wrote:.

The farther you are from your subject, the more imagequality breaks down. An L prime will breakdown less than somethinglike the Sigma..

IQ has absolutely NOTHING to do with subject distance. It's harder to make a lens in a longer focal length match the image quality at a shorter focal length, but that is everything to do with the physics of diffraction, and nothing at all to do with how far away your subject is..

It just so happens that sports shooters tend to use long focal lengths because they want a small distant subject to fill the frame in their viewfinder. Long prime lenses are optimised to diffract light without distortion or aberrations, which is something that a zoom lens will never be able to do quite as well. That isn't to say that some zooms aren't better than some primes at equivalent focal lengths - they are. But the best prime will ALWAYS have a better overall IQ than the best zoom at a given focal length..

Amy..

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