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Which model SLR cameras have live veiw on the LCD screen? Being a beginner it is very easy on a tripod to set up rulers/guides and keep something centered and level with the subject. I wear glasses, and I think the veiwfinder would get in the way. I also can't read the fine print in the veiwfinder underneath the image in the Nikon SLRs...

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Http://www.digital-slr-guide.com/live-view-digital-slr.html.

I found this one on a google search..

It looks like these are the ones that lets you use a live view. By chance does DPreview have a better newer list? I tend to like the DPreview.com reviews a lot.* Canon Rebel XSi (450D), 40D* Nikon D300* Olympus E-410, E-510, E-3* Pentax K20D* Sony DSLR-A300, DSLR-A350.

I really liked the D80, too bad to nikon doesn't have a lesser model with this feature...

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Live View is available on the Canon 1D Mark III, 1Ds Mark III, and 40D..

LiveView is available on the Nikon D3 and D300..

Http://www.pbase.com/arshutterbug/..

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I wear glasses, my camera has live view and I can tell you that other then being on a tripod you will NOT use Live View. Learn to use the viewfinder unless you only want to take static shots off a tripod. It is not difficult and not a problem..

MaddogOlympus E-510 and a bunch of stuff to hang on it...

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Maddogmd11 wrote:.

I wear glasses, my camera has live view and I can tell you that otherthen being on a tripod you will NOT use Live View. Learn to use theviewfinder unless you only want to take static shots off a tripod.It is not difficult and not a problem..

MaddogOlympus E-510 and a bunch of stuff to hang on it..

I do use a tripod for product pics. With My P&S I use the large screen to line the shot, and I can easily tell whether or not the text on the pic is focused and clear. Maybe the fact I have to work so hard to make sure each pic comes in clear means I should consider an SLR. All of my professionals shots (or shall I say commercial use photos) are static. I take pictures of small products, and labels inside the door jamb of cars (similar in size to the door jamb tag with the tire ratings and pressure. It is important that the text remains clear..

The D80 is the first SLR camera I fell in love with, and the veiwfinder wasn't bad. My whole life I used P&S cameras, so I am used to a certain way..

I will try using my veiwfinder with my sony dsc h9 with my glasses on to see if it bothers me. Thank you for your suggestion...

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Thurnau wrote:.

I do use a tripod for product pics. With My P&S I use the largescreen to line the shot, and I can easily tell whether or not thetext on the pic is focused and clear. Maybe the fact I have to workso hard to make sure each pic comes in clear means I should consideran SLR. All of my professionals shots (or shall I say commercial usephotos) are static. I take pictures of small products, and labelsinside the door jamb of cars (similar in size to the door jamb tagwith the tire ratings and pressure. It is important that the textremains clear..

The D80 is the first SLR camera I fell in love with, and theveiwfinder wasn't bad. My whole life I used P&S cameras, so I am usedto a certain way..

I will try using my veiwfinder with my sony dsc h9 with my glasses onto see if it bothers me. Thank you for your suggestion..

I can certainly see how you would use it and it would be very valuable in the method you describe. It is simply not one that I have to use. My eyesight is 20-200 so I really have to wear glasses to do anything..

I have used live view on a tripod for some shots and it has worked well. However, I usually use the camera hand held for sports and other shots and I have no real problems. The D80 has a nice view finder (particularly compared to my E510) and I really think that if you get use to it you will have alot more fun with the camera..

Cheers.

MaddogOlympus E-510 and a bunch of stuff to hang on it...

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Thurnau wrote:.

I do use a tripod for product pics. With My P&S I use the largescreen to line the shot, and I can easily tell whether or not thetext on the pic is focused and clear. Maybe the fact I have to workso hard to make sure each pic comes in clear means I should consideran SLR. All of my professionals shots (or shall I say commercial usephotos) are static. I take pictures of small products, and labelsinside the door jamb of cars (similar in size to the door jamb tagwith the tire ratings and pressure. It is important that the textremains clear..

Using LV in your application is a very good application..

The D80 is the first SLR camera I fell in love with, and theveiwfinder wasn't bad. My whole life I used P&S cameras, so I am usedto a certain way..

If you loved the D80, you will be orgasmic with the D300!.

I will try using my veiwfinder with my sony dsc h9 with my glasses onto see if it bothers me. Thank you for your suggestion..

With either the D80 or D300, you can get accessory VF "hoods" that have glass inserts. These can be replaced with a custom insert made by your optometrist. Then you don't need to wear glasses to use the VF..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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Chuxter wrote:.

Thurnau wrote:.

I do use a tripod for product pics. With My P&S I use the largescreen to line the shot, and I can easily tell whether or not thetext on the pic is focused and clear. Maybe the fact I have to workso hard to make sure each pic comes in clear means I should consideran SLR. All of my professionals shots (or shall I say commercial usephotos) are static. I take pictures of small products, and labelsinside the door jamb of cars (similar in size to the door jamb tagwith the tire ratings and pressure. It is important that the textremains clear..

Using LV in your application is a very good application..

The D80 is the first SLR camera I fell in love with, and theveiwfinder wasn't bad. My whole life I used P&S cameras, so I am usedto a certain way..

If you loved the D80, you will be orgasmic with the D300!.

I will try using my veiwfinder with my sony dsc h9 with my glasses onto see if it bothers me. Thank you for your suggestion..

With either the D80 or D300, you can get accessory VF "hoods" thathave glass inserts. These can be replaced with a custom insert madeby your optometrist. Then you don't need to wear glasses to use theVF..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/.

The optomitrist thing is a really cool idea!.

I tried using my VF with my glasses on, it bothers me when the hard plastic bops my lens. But then again there is a big gap between a D80 VF and a sony dsc h9..

After I sort out a few of my common mistakes, the next question is the age old Cannon vs Nikon! I will be in a camera store for hours lol. THen again the camera store was very biased towards Canon. When I played with the Nikon he told me that you are only paying for the name. They will let me bring in my own SD card, and I can play with both though...

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I tried using my VF with my glasses on, it bothers me when the hardplastic bops my lens. But then again there is a big gap between a D80VF and a sony dsc h9..

After I sort out a few of my common mistakes, the next question isthe age old Cannon vs Nikon! I will be in a camera store for hourslol. THen again the camera store was very biased towards Canon. WhenI played with the Nikon he told me that you are only paying for thename. They will let me bring in my own SD card, and I can play withboth though..

If I were you and I had a D80 and a couple of lenses, I would probably stick with Nikon. Regardless, Canon and Nikon can both produce great pictures (as can most DSLR's these days) and they are usually quite competitively priced even though Canon and Nikon try to make cameras that don't directly compete with each other...

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ShawnCo wrote:.

I tried using my VF with my glasses on, it bothers me when the hardplastic bops my lens. But then again there is a big gap between a D80VF and a sony dsc h9..

After I sort out a few of my common mistakes, the next question isthe age old Cannon vs Nikon! I will be in a camera store for hourslol. THen again the camera store was very biased towards Canon. WhenI played with the Nikon he told me that you are only paying for thename. They will let me bring in my own SD card, and I can play withboth though..

If I were you and I had a D80 and a couple of lenses, I wouldprobably stick with Nikon. Regardless, Canon and Nikon can bothproduce great pictures (as can most DSLR's these days) and they areusually quite competitively priced even though Canon and Nikon try tomake cameras that don't directly compete with each other..

I don't actually have a D80, I just played with it and really like it. I tried playing with a Canon once, and I found the Nilkon easier to figure out. Maybe I needed to give Cannon more time to play with...

Comment #9

Thurnau wrote:.

I don't actually have a D80, I just played with it and really likeit. I tried playing with a Canon once, and I found the Nilkon easierto figure out. Maybe I needed to give Cannon more time to play with..

NO! It's sorta like marrying a woman and planning to "fix" all her warts...it never works out that way!.

And since you have difficulty spelling "Canon", it's obvious that you are intended to use a Nikon. .

Ergonomics is something that only gets worse, never better. If the D80 feels good and you instinctively like how it works, then buying a Canon would be a step back and you will HATE the camera after a while..

Both Canon and Nikon cameras take good pix, but their ergonomics/human factors are worlds apart..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #10

I played with the Canon at Best Buy. He couldn't make the live LCD view work. He said that it had to be in an all manual setting, and some other stars had to align. I played with the D80 again, and then I tried the D40x which wouldn't shoot which is consistant with both best buys..

I went to Lakeside Camera today too. I went in to play with a D300, and I told him why I wanted to see it. Then he tried to shove an olympus down my throat which didn't even work because it wasn't charged. This is the second employee there that refused to sell me a Nikon. I mean I went to look at a Nikon, there was a chance I might buy it, but he had to blow it by only focusing on a camera I didn't come there to see. I left barely getting to play with the d300, and there are two questions I have left about it..

Does the live preview feature work in any mode? Like automatic? or other settings as I learn to use the camera? And does the D300 have guides to turn on and off?..

Comment #11

Chuxter wrote:.

Thurnau wrote:.

I don't actually have a D80, I just played with it and really likeit. I tried playing with a Canon once, and I found the Nilkon easierto figure out. Maybe I needed to give Cannon more time to play with..

NO! It's sorta like marrying a woman and planning to "fix" all herwarts...it never works out that way!.

And since you have difficulty spelling "Canon", it's obvious that youare intended to use a Nikon. .

Ergonomics is something that only gets worse, never better. If theD80 feels good and you instinctively like how it works, then buying aCanon would be a step back and you will HATE the camera after a while..

Both Canon and Nikon cameras take good pix, but theirergonomics/human factors are worlds apart..

I have to somewhat disagree with this point. I have been a Canon shooter for awhile and have used a friends Nikon and had a heck of a time trying to figure it out. It really comes down to what you get used to, to say that ergonomics are bad on one camera and good on another is a personal preference. She had a heck of a time with my Canon. Things like live view in Canon are not "automatically" turned on (i think nikon is the same way) you have to enable the custom function on first. Once it is enabled thru the CF, you simply have to press the "set" button at the center of the big dial on the back to activate or deactivate it.



If the OP finds that the Nikon feels more comfortable for them, by all means purchase a Nikon, as was said, both Canon and Nikons take great pictures. Getting hung up on what everyone else says feels better and buying a camera because unknown faces on the internet tell you it feels better is not necessarily the right approach. Spend a little time with each in the store...preferably a photo store and not a big box store. Hopefully you will find someone who has a clue about how to operate the cameras you are looking at. You may need to be firm with them if they try to push something you are not interested in but you are the customer, you can easily tell them that you are not interested in the Hasseblad and are looking for a Nikon or Canon... ..

Comment #12

I find that the forum people know more about their cameras than a sales person that doesn't own one..

I don't think anyone here is pushing me to either brand nikon or canon, he just stated that if one is more comfortable and easier for me it should make my desicion easier..

Well the sales person at the camera store pushed really hard for me to get an olympus..

At least at Big Box I was allowed to play with the cameras, and the sales people without knowledge weren't arogant towards me. There are two other camera stores near by...

Comment #13

I suppose I need to learn how easy live veiw is to use, before making a decision to get or not get live view. Will it work with more automatic settings while I learn the other settings..

So far I know more about light, and white balance, I already knew a lot about setting EV on a P&S(which doesn't work the same on an SLR right?)..

If I learn the whole F Stop and Iso thing I might learn how to be ok...

Comment #14

Thurnau wrote:.

I played with the Canon at Best Buy. He couldn't make the live LCDview work. He said that it had to be in an all manual setting, andsome other stars had to align. I played with the D80 again, and thenI tried the D40x which wouldn't shoot which is consistant with bothbest buys..

Best Buy is not a camera store and often the employees are clueless..

I went to Lakeside Camera today too..

Does that mean that you live in NO-LA?.

I went in to play with a D300,and I told him why I wanted to see it. Then he tried to shove anolympus down my throat which didn't even work because it wasn'tcharged. This is the second employee there that refused to sell me aNikon. I mean I went to look at a Nikon, there was a chance I mightbuy it, but he had to blow it by only focusing on a camera I didn'tcome there to see. I left barely getting to play with the d300, andthere are two questions I have left about it..

I would write off this store! Try another one?.

Http://www.bennettscamera.com/http://yp.bellsouth.com/sites/moldaners/page3.html.

Both appear to be Nikon dealers..

Does the live preview feature work in any mode? Like automatic? orother settings as I learn to use the camera?.

If I understand what you are asking, yes. There are (stupidly) a few mutually exclusive things, like burst mode, self-timer, and mirror up. This is because they share the Release Mode Dial (on the top-left). Since LV Mode inherently has the mirror up, that one's not an issue. I think everything else is available in LV..

The User's Manual is terrible, expecially with regard to LV. I spent 30 minutes with the manual, the local Nikon rep, and one of the store employees and never did figure out the following:.

1. Switch to LV by rotating the Release Mode Dial..

2. Choose handheld or tripod mode from the Shooting Menu (second from the bottom), but after that you don't leed to repeat this unless you want to change it..

3. Depress the shutter fully (it just finishes the job that should have been done by rotating the dial)..

4. Point it at the scene and move the focus cursor with the Multi-selector on the back to point at what you want to focus on..

5. Depress and HOLD the AF-ON button...don't turn loose yet...no, not yet...the cursor will change from red to green, then start blinking, finally going steady green when AF is complete..

6. Depress the shutter button fully again to actually take the pic..

To repeat another pix, you only need to do steps 3-6..

And does the D300 have guides to turn on and off?.

By "guides" I assume you mean lines at 1/3 & 2/3 both vertically and horizontally? If so, yes, it's in there...except the D300 has lines at 1/4, 1/2, & 3/4....

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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I do live in the New Orleans area, I tried Lakeside Camera first because a young gentleman was kind despite the fact that he too didn't like Nikon(he just wasn't rude about it)..

I will try Bennetts and Wolf Camera soon..

Between Nikon and Canon which Live Veiw is easier to use? Or perhaps this is too loaded of a question?..

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Is anyone here experienced with LV modes on different DSLR cameras that can comment about it's usability on a still shot? Perhaps a Macro?..

Comment #17

Thurnau wrote:.

I really liked the D80, too bad to nikon doesn't have a lesser modelwith this feature..

The D80 doesn't have Live View. On the other hand, it has a pentaprism-based optical viewfinder that's better than those in most entry-level DSLRs, an in-body autofocus motor, and the ability to wirelessly control SB-600 and SB-800 flashes..

It hasn't been all that long that Canon and Nikon have had Live View in $1,400 - $1,700 DSLR bodies (i.e., the 40D and D300), and the Digital Rebel that has the Live View feature is even more recent..

So it is possible (though by no means assured) that whenever Nikon announces the replacement for the D80, that it will have Live View...

Comment #18

Thurnau wrote:.

Is anyone here experienced with LV modes on different DSLR camerasthat can comment about it's usability on a still shot? Perhaps a Macro?.

I'm not sure that Live View buys you a whole lot unless the implementation has a tilt/swivel screen, a detachable screen, or some way to hook up the camera to a computer (and remotely operate it)..

If the camera has an adjustable or detachable screen that is self-contained, this can make it easier to get certain types of shots involving awkward angles/heights..

If the camera can be tethered to a computer, you can set the camera out on a tripod near where the birds/wildlife gather, go hide in a blind with your computer, and wait. (The more fully the computer link supports all of the camera's essential controls and displays, the better.)..

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Thurnau wrote:.

I do live in the New Orleans area, I tried Lakeside Camera firstbecause a young gentleman was kind despite the fact that he toodidn't like Nikon(he just wasn't rude about it)..

I will try Bennetts and Wolf Camera soon..

Between Nikon and Canon which Live Veiw is easier to use? Or perhapsthis is too loaded of a question?.

No...it's a good question. Even though I bought the D300, I don't think it's LV implementation is very good. I believe that the 40D has a better one (but I haven't personally tried it)..

However, at the moment, NONE of the dSLRs have good LV systems. My R1 is MUCH better in that regard..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #20

Chuxter wrote:.

No...it's a good question. Even though I bought the D300, I don'tthink it's LV implementation is very good. I believe that the 40D hasa better one (but I haven't personally tried it)..

However, at the moment, NONE of the dSLRs have good LV systems. My R1is MUCH better in that regard..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/.

If I could find a perfect P&S for my needs, I wouldn't be here lol. Or spending hours per day reading up on SLR types..

Half of my prolem is my skills. 25% of my problem is my camera, the other 25% is me not knowing my limitations on the current camera..

With my P&S is get barrel distortion when taking a pic of a label for a diagram, purple fringing due to the high contrast, noise on lower lighting areas, a flash that ruins the shot every time, and if I choose to not use a flash I get this annoying yellow light to assist the camera that ends up a yellow reflection in the shots. Becaue I am shooting a text label, it is hard to get a good shot with all the text legible or clear. I think a DLSR will help me overcome some obsticles, but it would be like taking a leap of faith and learning the rest..

For the personal side of things a flash makes my dogs eyes glow blue, and even highlight the imperfections in the eye(poor girl). No flash leads to high noise, and if I can't get them to sit perfectly still I get a blur for a dog lol..

I did know that the D80 doesn't have live view. I meant to say I wish lesser models like the D80 had live view. A lot of my shots are under the hood of a car along the firewall which means I can view the LCD, but leaning my body on the engine wouldn't be the best for me. Sometimes the subject is under a spare tire cover or in a compartment. I also think because I am not necessairly worried about style or composition, people won't mind an unprofesional shot for the info part..

Perhaps the site gets roughly 3K-5K people a day and having good clean images along with good content sells product. My competition can't compete with my shots now, but if I stopped there I wouldn't be the best!..

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Try to get hold of an Olympus E-330. It is probably the best deal going right now in terms of live view DSLRs. It is currently going for about $350 on eBay. With it's tiltable screen, it makes macro a joy. Someone else said that you will only use live view on a tripod...wrong. It can be very handy to use for above crowd and waist level shooting:.

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Live view also has a 10x magnification mode which is extremely useful for confirming focus, especially when using legacy manual lenses via adapter. You should check it out. Good luck..

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Http://www.pbase.com/jfinite..

Comment #22

Thurnau wrote:.

Chuxter wrote:.

No...it's a good question. Even though I bought the D300, I don'tthink it's LV implementation is very good. I believe that the 40D hasa better one (but I haven't personally tried it)..

However, at the moment, NONE of the dSLRs have good LV systems. My R1is MUCH better in that regard..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/.

If I could find a perfect P&S for my needs, I wouldn't be here lol.Or spending hours per day reading up on SLR types..

What you need is an R1, a closeup lens (like the VCL-M3367), and the ring flash that Sony makes for it (or one of the many 3rd party LED ring flashes). It would be perfect for those car labels!.

Half of my prolem is my skills. 25% of my problem is my camera, theother 25% is me not knowing my limitations on the current camera..

Hmmm..."...knowing my limitations on the current camera" is just another skill, so it's 75% lack of skills and 25% limited equipment. .

With my P&S is get barrel distortion when taking a pic of a label fora diagram, purple fringing due to the high contrast, noise on lowerlighting areas, a flash that ruins the shot every time, and if Ichoose to not use a flash I get this annoying yellow light to assistthe camera that ends up a yellow reflection in the shots..

Barrel distortion, PF, and high noise are just signs of a little, cheap camera. An infusion of $$$ will solve that. The flash problems may be operator error? The "AF Assist" light undoubtedly goes off before the pic is taken, so that isn't a problem. I have no clue why you think it stays on?.

Becaue I amshooting a text label, it is hard to get a good shot with all thetext legible or clear..

Actually, that should be an easy shot, provided that you have a lens that will focus up close and illumination that doesn't reflect off the labels (some will be shiny) and the surrounding painted bodywork..

Think a DLSR will help me overcome someobsticles, but it would be like taking a leap of faith and learningthe rest..

I think it would too, but actually, any good camera will do..

For the personal side of things a flash makes my dogs eyes glow blue,.

Only if the flash is located close to the centerline of the lens is this a problem. You need to get the flash off-axis!.

And even highlight the imperfections in the eye(poor girl)..

If the eye has imperfections, good cameras WILL record it..

No flashleads to high noise,.

This is true for cameras with small sensors. Get a camera with as big a sensor as you can afford...and one with as few pixels as you can put up with..

And if I can't get them to sit perfectly still I get a blur for a dog lol..

Flash and/or a short exposure time will "stop" the action..

I did know that the D80 doesn't have live view. I meant to say I wishlesser models like the D80 had live view..

In a few years, all the dSLRs will have LV. Can you wait?.

A lot of my shots are underthe hood of a car along the firewall which means I can view the LCD,but leaning my body on the engine wouldn't be the best for me..

Well, you picked the job. .

Are you selling pix of genuine labels or reproduction labels?.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

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The imperfections in my pug dog's eye glows with the flash on. Poor girl kept running into bushes..

I am making diagrams for locating paint codes and taking product pictures for business use; taking pics for ebay to get rid of junk, dog pics, cars, and tourist stuff would be for pleasure..

I doubt I want to wait years, but lets say if I go with an SLR that doesn't have it yet, hopefully the lens will carry over to the new camera. I also except user submitted photos for the door tags, so these look much worse than mine. Imagine trying to take pictures of paint code tags, for every car manufacturer. I am far from close to gathering most manufacturers. I can also tell the earlier photos from the later ones. That orange light does exist, that yellow focus light end up in all the shots of shiny metal objects.

I will try to post a pic of it..

So either I need to do a ton of research on P&S with a big chip sensor, or try out an SLR. I looked at the R1 on sony style, it looks like it is discontinued..

Oh, and I don't like my job, I love it! I do not take these pics for a living. I own and manage a business for a living. Having a website, and being a little obsesive compulsive makes me want better pics...

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Here is an example. The camera left the light on the top left corner. I noticed from looking at other pics of the same shot I either focused and got the light, or I pressed the shutter and got out of focus shots but without the light. There wasn't much light where that part of the car was. Maybe I could have planned the shot better, with a sun gun and a reflector...

Comment #25

Thank you for explaining the olympus too. It looks like a nice camera at a real nice price. My mother in law had an olympus SLR and it broke on her, she has a nightmare story that goes with it but she swears I should never own one. That would be cool if she still had any lens left over though...

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Thurnau wrote:.

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Here is an example. The camera left the light on the top left corner.I noticed from looking at other pics of the same shot I eitherfocused and got the light, or I pressed the shutter and got out offocus shots but without the light. There wasn't much light where thatpart of the car was. Maybe I could have planned the shot better, witha sun gun and a reflector..

Nope. The little yellow LED didn't do the illumination/glare you are seeing. It was the FLASH. The little AF Assist LED GOES OUT BEFORE THE PIC IS TAKEN!!! In dark settings, it's helping the AF to work. After the AF locks onto something, the LED turns off. Trust me..

As I commented earlier, you need to get better lighting, especially where reflections exist. Either a flash with a "modeling" light or an LED setup where there is always some light so you can SEE when/where the reflections are..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #27

Thurnau wrote:.

The imperfections in my pug dog's eye glows with the flash on. Poorgirl kept running into bushes..

Yes, eyes work that way. But if you get the flash off the camera a bit, you'll find that red/green/blue eyes go away..

I am making diagrams for locating paint codes.

OK. I've done some of that....

...and taking productpictures for business use; taking pics for ebay to get rid of junk,dog pics, cars, and tourist stuff would be for pleasure..

I doubt I want to wait years, but lets say if I go with an SLR thatdoesn't have it yet, hopefully the lens will carry over to the newcamera..

Yes, the lenses will carry over..

I also except user submitted photos for the door tags, sothese look much worse than mine. Imagine trying to take pictures ofpaint code tags, for every car manufacturer. I am far from close togathering most manufacturers. I can also tell the earlier photos fromthe later ones..

Yes, you will never get through..

That orange light does exist, that yellow focus lightend up in all the shots of shiny metal objects. Even when I stick myfinger over it, the light projects right through my fingernail. Iwill try to post a pic of it..

I commented on this in your next post....

So either I need to do a ton of research on P&S with a big chipsensor, or try out an SLR. I looked at the R1 on sony style, it lookslike it is discontinued..

Yes, it went away. But believe it or not, there are a few new ones available...most at hugely inflated prices (near $2000!). If youa re interested, go lurk on STF and you'll see an occasional post about where they are available. There are always used ones....

Most people that get one don't let it go!.

Oh, and I don't like my job, I love it! I do not take these pics fora living. I own and manage a business for a living. Having a website,and being a little obsesive compulsive makes me want better pics..

Ditto..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #28

Chuxter wrote:.

Nope. The little yellow LED didn't do the illumination/glare you areseeing. It was the FLASH. The little AF Assist LED GOES OUT BEFORETHE PIC IS TAKEN!!! In dark settings, it's helping the AF to work.After the AF locks onto something, the LED turns off. Trust me..

As I commented earlier, you need to get better lighting, especiallywhere reflections exist. Either a flash with a "modeling" light or anLED setup where there is always some light so you can SEE when/wherethe reflections are..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/.

I took this one a month or two ago, so I suppose I am wrong. So what could I have done better? Most of my car pics are rare opportunities. Is there something more temporary or portable than a modeling light? I googled a modeling light and it appears to be something large and connected to a softbox...

Comment #29

Is anyone here experienced with LV modes on different DSLR camerasthat can comment about it's usability on a still shot? Perhaps a Macro?.

I'm a strong proponent of a tilt or tilt/swivel LCD to maximize the usefulness of live view. The Olympus E-330 is the least expensive way to get a tilting LCD on a live view camera. It also has a rather versatile dual mode live view system. The other two cameras that would fit the bill are the Olympus E-3 and the Panasonic DMC-L10. Both of these have tilt/swivel LCDs which is generally even better..

If you are dead set on shooting with Nikon, the D300 has an HDMI output so you can view the live view output on an HDTV. That might be just peachy for your setup. But it will cost you significantly more..

Jay Turbervillehttp://www.jayandwanda.com..

Comment #30

Thurnau wrote:.

Chuxter wrote:.

Nope. The little yellow LED didn't do the illumination/glare you areseeing. It was the FLASH. The little AF Assist LED GOES OUT BEFORETHE PIC IS TAKEN!!! In dark settings, it's helping the AF to work.After the AF locks onto something, the LED turns off. Trust me..

As I commented earlier, you need to get better lighting, especiallywhere reflections exist. Either a flash with a "modeling" light or anLED setup where there is always some light so you can SEE when/wherethe reflections are..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/.

I took this one a month or two ago, so I suppose I am wrong. So whatcould I have done better? Most of my car pics are rare opportunities.Is there something more temporary or portable than a modeling light?I googled a modeling light and it appears to be something large andconnected to a softbox..

You failed to Google properly. One of the issues with online searches is that if you don't know diddly about something, that usually includes the words to use!.

Googled "LED Ring Flash" and got:.

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...REG/Phoenix_P04241_DRLLD_Digital_LED_Ring.html.

Http://www.photoprojects.net/index8.html.

Http://www.srelectronics.com/.

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...Sony_HVLRLAM_HVL_RLAM_TTL_Macro_Ringlight.html.

Some flashes have a "modeling light" built in...or a "modeling" feature..

Read this (near the bottom for a brief description of the "modeling" feature:.

Http://www.cs.mtu.edu/...iCam/User-Guide/FZ-10/Ext-Flash/Basic-Functions.html.

Some external flashes have a "modeling" feature...the Nikon SB-800 does, for example. And the LED Ring Lights are not "flashes"...the LEDs stay on continuously so you can see to compose in dim corners. You also get (with TTL) an image of the reflections so you can tell BEFORE you take a pic whether there are disturbing reflections..

I am currently building myself a special LED Ring Light. It will have adjustable reflectors that allow me to direct the light any distance from the lens. The LEDs will stay on continuously, but at much reduced brightness (to keep them cool)...but bright enough to use to compose...and it WILL flash brightly when the pic is taken. There are LOTS of DIY projects like this....

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/..

Comment #31

Thurnau wrote:.

Here is an example. The camera left the light on the top left corner.I noticed from looking at other pics of the same shot I eitherfocused and got the light, or I pressed the shutter and got out offocus shots but without the light. There wasn't much light where thatpart of the car was. Maybe I could have planned the shot better, witha sun gun and a reflector..

Oog. You're shooting moderately shiny stuff in odd corners. Sounds like those suggesting an Oly dSLR with a swiveling LCD are right. You need good lighting too, probably a ringlight around the lens. Has to be flash, because there's no way you're putting the camera on a tripod for this stuff..

The problem with a ringlight is specular reflections, to which the labels you're shooting might be subject. Some kind of off-axis flash would be better. I use an SB-15 on my film Nikons, but that's not of any use on digital..

Leonard Migliore..

Comment #32

I bought a Camera today. I will take a pic and post it, I want you to guess which camera it is.....

Just Kidding..

I picked up a D80. I played with both a D80, a D300, an olympus, and a Canon. The d80 looked a little easier to learn to start out with. Then when I upgrade, Nikon should have a better LV mode. When playing with Nikons LV I would have to say for focusing in an uncomfortable position made it unpractical. The Canon I played with did not have a LV, but that one wasn't in stock.

However there was a long lag from when I pressed the shutter until the pic was taken. Perhaps it is a nature of the beast. The LCD screen itself seemed small, dim, and less colorful than the Nikon D80. It wasn't showing me the same detail I expected from my P&S sony 3" LCD screen. The sales person and many people here advised sticking with either Canon or Nikon.

I appreciate that Olympus made some great innovations to the market. Perhaps not knowing enough about it made me shy to them...

Comment #33

Another Vote for Olympus, and about an hour too late. I bought a different Camera for most pics, and I was thinking "I was going to make a P&S work for the odd angles. Because I got a less expensive body, and only one extra lens, I am not too deep into photography equipment where it would hurt to change later...

Comment #34

Http://www.zigview.co.uk/ I saw this in another thread. It is an LCD that mounts to the optical view finder. It looks rather clever...

Comment #35

Http://www.zigview.co.uk/ I saw this in another thread. It is an LCDthat mounts to the optical view finder. It looks rather clever..

You can actually pick up an E-330 body on ebay (Cameta Auctions) for about the same amount of money.  .

Jay Turbervillehttp://www.jayandwanda.com..

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