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Karate Tournament questions
First of all, allow me to announce to the world that I know nothing about sports photography. My backround is portrait, product and concert photography..

My friend have asked me to take pictures of his Karate tournament. Although I've told him that my experience is zero, he insists on me taking his pics..

The equipment:.

1. Canon 40D usually set to ISO 1600 for concert pics2. Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS usually set at f/3.2 for increased sharpness.

The questions:.

1. will the lighting be sufficient? Supposedly these are WKA-type tournament and he said that the arena will be wel lit. (but then again, he's not a photographer)..

2. my assumption is to use shutter speed at approx 1/500 minimum at any focal length. Am I wrong? Would I be needing shutter speed faster than that? Will I be able to obtain shutter speed of 1/500 minimum at ISO 1600 at f/3.2?.

3. obviously I won't be too close with him in the arena (the closest being having his full height covered by the camera held vertically). Will f/3.2 be too narrow of a DOF?.

Thank you for all the information beforehand...

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Sapiendut wrote:.

First of all, allow me to announce to the world that I know nothingabout sports photography. My backround is portrait, product andconcert photography..

My friend have asked me to take pictures of his Karate tournament.Although I've told him that my experience is zero, he insists on metaking his pics..

The equipment:.

1. Canon 40D usually set to ISO 1600 for concert pics2. Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS usually set at f/3.2 for increased sharpness.

The questions:.

1. will the lighting be sufficient? Supposedly these are WKA-typetournament and he said that the arena will be wel lit. (but thenagain, he's not a photographer)..

2. my assumption is to use shutter speed at approx 1/500 minimum atany focal length. Am I wrong? Would I be needing shutter speedfaster than that? Will I be able to obtain shutter speed of 1/500minimum at ISO 1600 at f/3.2?.

3. obviously I won't be too close with him in the arena (the closestbeing having his full height covered by the camera held vertically).Will f/3.2 be too narrow of a DOF?.

Thank you for all the information beforehand..

I tried taking pictures of a Karate tournament once. It is super difficult. Your equipment is very good, of course but I would try to take in a tripod with qr plate. The 3.2 aperture will have too narrow a DOF. Opponents can easily be 6 feet or more apart and you still want them both to be in focus, so 3.2 is probably not good enough. I would try 5.6.



Whether the light will do or not you can only evaluate at the location. Perhaps there is a way how you can check out the location before the shooting.Good luck,Till..

Comment #1

Hi Tfar. Thank you for the response..

The shots I'll be taking will not be the Kumite but only the Kata. Will f/3.2 still be too shallow?.

Thank you...

Comment #2

While acknowledging the DOF issue, my worry would be whether the aperture will be wide enough to get enough light into the camera. Most indoor sports photographers use f/2 lenses or faster for this reason, and f/1.8 or 1.4 if they can get near enough..

I'd experiment in aperture priority with the ISO dialled up to 800 or 1600 to see if you are getting shutter speeds of at least 1/500, and maybe faster - because if they're blurred then they're unusable really..

Presumably the best shots willl be when the competitors are closer together so the DOF can be fairly shallow?.

Alex..

Comment #3

Sapiendut wrote:.

First of all, allow me to announce to the world that I know nothingabout sports photography. My backround is portrait, product andconcert photography..

My friend have asked me to take pictures of his Karate tournament.Although I've told him that my experience is zero, he insists on metaking his pics..

Cool! look at it as a learning experience!.

The equipment:.

1. Canon 40D usually set to ISO 1600 for concert pics2. Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS usually set at f/3.2 for increased sharpness.

You might want a shorter lens as well...

The questions:.

1. will the lighting be sufficient? Supposedly these are WKA-typetournament and he said that the arena will be wel lit. (but thenagain, he's not a photographer)..

Lighting will likely be similar to junior basketball/volleyball etc... it will be reasonable, but not 'well lit'...

2. my assumption is to use shutter speed at approx 1/500 minimum atany focal length. Am I wrong? Would I be needing shutter speedfaster than that? Will I be able to obtain shutter speed of 1/500minimum at ISO 1600 at f/3.2?.

You will likely be struggling to get 1/320 at f/2.8 and ISO 1600.. you may find you have no choice but to crank up the ISO to 3200 and the lens to f/2.8 just to stop the action.. but you will need larger DOF to get both combatants in focus if they are 6-8 feet apart..

You will be fine in the Kata portion as you will have only the one subject..

3. obviously I won't be too close with him in the arena (the closestbeing having his full height covered by the camera held vertically).Will f/3.2 be too narrow of a DOF?.

You *might* be able to get closer than you think, necessitating a shorter lens - which will solve part of your DOF problem, even wide open. talk to your friend and the organizer and ask about photographer's permits - you may be able to be in the same area as the competitors... you are unlikely to be allowed to use flash because of the distraction factor...

Thank you for all the information beforehand..

Best of luck,cheers,S.**My XT IS Full Frame APS-C/FF of course!*****So is my 5D 35mm/FF**..

Comment #4

If you are not familiar with the martial arts style you are photographing, I would suggest hanging around a practice or two to get a feel for the kata that will be performed. It will help you to anticipate the best shots. Good luck and enjoy the competition!Dossy..

Comment #5

Dossy wrote:.

If you are not familiar with the martial arts style you arephotographing, I would suggest hanging around a practice or two toget a feel for the kata that will be performed. It will help you toanticipate the best shots. Good luck and enjoy the competition!Dossy.

Yes, this is what I do before photographing concerts (I actually spend the time to memorize the songs and also attend at least one of their rehearsals in orer to know their rendition of the songs perfectly)..

Currently I'm learning the Katas he's performing so I can anticipate things better..

Thank you for the reminder, though!..

Comment #6

Hi,.

Well, I also just had my first experience shooting a Taekwondo belt test. Here is what I could share:.

My equipment:Canon 40D24-70mm/L f2.8no flash, of course.

- for Poomsae (or Kata in Karate), 1/250 is fast enough.

- f2.8 gets enough light, and enough DOF at my range. It is actually nice to blur the examiner in the background sometimes.

- ISO800 was OK in my case, because there were a little bit of sunlight shinning in- I tried ISO1600 in some shots, but then must remove a lot of noise with PP- I wish I had a monopod, but handheld was acceptable.- it was a lot of fun .

Have fun and let us know how it goes! By the way, there are a few of those photos on my website listed below..

Perry.

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Comment #7

Well, Kata shall be easier than Kumite in terms of DOF and freezing the movement. That is good, you just gained two stops or maybe three. 1/250 will freeze Kata except for stuff lile when the hand is opening fast or slapping movements. Also make sure you shoot Raw or get the white balance dialed in well. Would look awful to have them in yellow suits .

Are you actually learning the Katas? As in doing it yourself? Respect! Just getting a feel for what comes when would probably be good enough. Perhaps you should run a video camera parallel maybe even from a 90 degree off position..

Light will be everything here. It is not called "writing with light" for nothing..

Till..

Comment #8

Yup, I'm actually learning the Kata he'll use for the competitionl. Not to be good at it, just to get a better feel. This I also do for concert gigs (the fact that I was a professional musician helps too )..

Good idea on the video camera. Right now all I have his a video recording from 3/4 view (a'la Zaxxon, if any of you remember that video game)..

Tfar wrote:.

Well, Kata shall be easier than Kumite in terms of DOF and freezingthe movement. That is good, you just gained two stops or maybe three.1/250 will freeze Kata except for stuff lile when the hand is openingfast or slapping movements. Also make sure you shoot Raw or get thewhite balance dialed in well. Would look awful to have them in yellowsuits .

Are you actually learning the Katas? As in doing it yourself?Respect! Just getting a feel for what comes when would probably begood enough. Perhaps you should run a video camera parallel maybeeven from a 90 degree off position..

Light will be everything here. It is not called "writing with light"for nothing..

Till..

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