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Is the G9 still the king?
I'm curious where the stats take over. The G9 in appearance seems to be a great camera. Doesn't have HD video recording but has one of the largest sensors in a P&S I've seen. The wide angle leaves some to be desired. I've been browsing around looking at other P&S Cameras lately and can't decide which way to go. I recently pickup up a waterproof P&S which I can't make up my mind on.

The stats looked nice but I don't feel I got a good deal..

Now I'm looking at the Kodak Easyshare V1273 which is 12mp and records in HD. I like the fact it can record in HD but I'm looking at it and noticing the lens is smaller than that of the G9. The senors are basically the same size and same pixel count while the V1273 looks to be much more pocketable. Should I be bothered by the size of the lens on the V1273? Is the G9 still the champ? Do we expect Canon to be releasing a new version any time soon? Are there any other cameras you'd recommend? I like the full size sesor of the Sigma DP1 but from what I've been reading I'm not a fan of the 4.1mp of it...

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Don't be put off by the apparent low res of the DP1. You must consider that the 12Mp of the G9 and others is the total number of pixels of different colours - Red, Green and Blue. Normally CCDs have 2 green to 1 red and 1 blue pixel so the maximum resolution possible is 6Mp and depending on the color this may vary but in the end the result is fudged using interpolation to get the 12Mp resolution..

The DP1 (and other Foveon cameras) are the only cameras to give the full resolution of the sensor across the colour spectrum. Which, by the way is 4.69 Mp not 4.1. See link for comparison -.

Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmasd10/.

Also, the best indicator of camera resolution can be judged by the resolution chart results, see this link for an example of the Sigma SD10 (3.3Mp sensor).

Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmasd10/page18.asp.

If you are still not convinced, look at samples from the Sigma sites..

Cheers..

Comment #1

ToiletDuck wrote:.

I'm curious where the stats take over. The G9 in appearance seems tobe a great camera. Doesn't have HD video recording but has one of thelargest sensors in a P&S I've seen..

One of the largest sensors? It has a 1/1.7" sensor - one of the smaller breed of cameras. It leaves 2/3" (many) and APS-C (few) sensors ahead, and 1/2.5" sensors behind..

The wide angle leaves some to bedesired. I've been browsing around looking at other P&S Cameraslately and can't decide which way to go. I recently pickup up awaterproof P&S which I can't make up my mind on. The picture qualityleaves some to be desired. The stats looked nice but I don't feel Igot a good deal..

Now I'm looking at the Kodak Easyshare V1273 which is 12mp andrecords in HD. I like the fact it can record in HD but I'm looking atit and noticing the lens is smaller than that of the G9. The senorsare basically the same size and same pixel count while the V1273looks to be much more pocketable. Should I be bothered by the size ofthe lens on the V1273? Is the G9 still the champ? Do we expect Canonto be releasing a new version any time soon? Are there any othercameras you'd recommend? I like the full size sesor of the Sigma DP1but from what I've been reading I'm not a fan of the 4.1mp of it..

What photographic technique are you using that requires you more than "4.1MP?".

Tim'Be the change you wish to see in the world.' -Mahatma GandhiE3/E-1/E410/7-14/12-60/50-200/EC-14/C8080http://www.flickr.com/photos/timskis6/..

Comment #2

This thread was about P&S cameras and I was stating the G9 has one of the largest P&S sensors I've seen..

As far as why the 4.69mp sensor might not be enough is because of the size of prints I do sometimes. The lack of zoom is an issue but most of my shots will be up close. I've been reading about the DP1 and while it seems like a great camera it seems to be limited in options. The Kodak has optical zoom and HD recording but the smaller lens area makes me wonder if it means lower light hitting the sensor causing bigger problems. Like I said I just purchased a waterproof camera that simply doesn't deliver. After playing with it more I'm not happy with it. Tomorrow it goes back to the store and I'll wait to get a better P&S...

Comment #3

ToiletDuck wrote:.

This thread was about P&S cameras and I was stating the G9 has one ofthe largest P&S sensors I've seen..

I understand this; there are plenty of P&S cameras out there with 2/3" sensors, including a newly announced one from Fuji. In addition, there are two P&S cameras out there with APS-C sized sensors, the Sony R1 and the Sigma DP1..

Just because a cameras has a larger sensor doesn't mean it will have better noise performance, however..

As far as why the 4.69mp sensor might not be enough is because of thesize of prints I do sometimes. The lack of zoom is an issue but mostof my shots will be up close. I've been reading about the DP1 andwhile it seems like a great camera it seems to be limited in options.The Kodak has optical zoom and HD recording but the smaller lens areamakes me wonder if it means lower light hitting the sensor causingbigger problems. Like I said I just purchased a waterproof camerathat simply doesn't deliver. After playing with it more I'm not happywith it. Tomorrow it goes back to the store and I'll wait to get abetter P&S..

This is a fair observation, but understand that 5MP is plenty to print 12x18. In fact, I count 4 hanging on the wall just in my room, and another 16x20 and one 20x30 done at 5MP as well. The 16x20 shows it's lack of resolution if your nose is right up against it, and the 20x30 is noticeable from about 18". I can't see anyone viewing pictures from this close....

Unless you are going to be viewing your prints from 1" then 5MP will be overly sufficient. I've printed plenty 8x10's at 2MP to boot..

Tim'Be the change you wish to see in the world.' -Mahatma GandhiE3/E-1/E410/7-14/12-60/50-200/EC-14/C8080http://www.flickr.com/photos/timskis6/..

Comment #4

From your post it seems that you want HD video and good IQ in one camera, and compact size.Kodak one will be good if you shoot at base ISO..

Overall G9 is better photographing tool with better lens, Raw mode, high ISO performance and controls..

However I advise you to have a look at Panasonic FX500, which has wider angle (25-125mm!) Leica lens, manual mode, noise-reduction control and HD video capability & compact size.http://www.dpreview.com/news/0803/08031802panasonicfx500.asp.

ToiletDuck wrote:.

I'm curious where the stats take over. The G9 in appearance seems tobe a great camera. Doesn't have HD video recording but has one of thelargest sensors in a P&S I've seen. The wide angle leaves some to bedesired. I've been browsing around looking at other P&S Cameraslately and can't decide which way to go. I recently pickup up awaterproof P&S which I can't make up my mind on.

The stats looked nice but I don't feel Igot a good deal..

Now I'm looking at the Kodak Easyshare V1273 which is 12mp andrecords in HD. I like the fact it can record in HD but I'm looking atit and noticing the lens is smaller than that of the G9. The senorsare basically the same size and same pixel count while the V1273looks to be much more pocketable. Should I be bothered by the size ofthe lens on the V1273? Is the G9 still the champ? Do we expect Canonto be releasing a new version any time soon? Are there any othercameras you'd recommend? I like the full size sesor of the Sigma DP1but from what I've been reading I'm not a fan of the 4.1mp of it..

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for visiting and leaving comments ..

Comment #5

Thank you for the insight. I appreciate the time and effort. Without being able to get my hands on one of these at the local store it's hard to just take that leap of faith. Which cameras have the 2/3rds sensor?..

Comment #6

Do you guys think I'm worrying about the size of the sensor too much? Is it actually possible to get as good of results from a 1/2.5 as you could from a 1/1.7?..

Comment #7

Yes. Sensor size is one of many factors affecting image quality. Pixel efficiency, Lens, JPG compression, circuit noise, exposure, etc. You can safely ignore the sensor size difference till the difference in pixel size is less than a factor of 1.5 (a factor of two will affect dynamic range by 1 stop). Just take extra care to expose correctly..

ToiletDuck wrote:.

Do you guys think I'm worrying about the size of the sensor too much?Is it actually possible to get as good of results from a 1/2.5 as youcould from a 1/1.7?.

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for visiting and leaving comments ..

Comment #8

Have you seen the recent review on the Fuji S100fs? I'm by no means a Fuji fan but that camera looks very promising at ISO100 and ISO200..

Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms100fs/.

ISO test comparison to the Canon G9:http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms100fs/page14.asp.

Tim'Be the change you wish to see in the world.' -Mahatma GandhiE3/E-1/E410/7-14/12-60/50-200/EC-14/C8080http://www.flickr.com/photos/timskis6/..

Comment #9

As far as why the 4.69mp sensor might not be enough is because of the size of prints I do sometimes..

As I see the Dp1 is probably not for you due to it's limited options, this is more just for your FYI:.

The DP1 can easily handle A0 size prints (Which Sigma proudly put on display). No other compact has made these to my knowledge. In fact, the DP1 is the first camera to make some question whether or not they need their Large format film all the time.....

Comment #10

Firstly, who said the G9 was ever king. Sounds like many other cameras that have new clothes..

ToiletDuck wrote:.

Do you guys think I'm worrying about the size of the sensor too much?Is it actually possible to get as good of results from a 1/2.5 as youcould from a 1/1.7?.

What you need to be more concerned with is the number of pixels per sq. unit of sensor..

The more pixels crammed onto a sensor, the more the image can degrade. I.e. a 1/1.7 sensor shooting at 5 megapixels will have the probability of a cleaner image than the same sensor recording 8 megapixels..

Why do you think that the Leica Digilux 2 still produces images (on a screen or printed) that are better than today's 8, 10 12 megapixel cameras?..

Comment #11

There hasn't been a 2/3" sensor released in a camera in the last three years. Before that there was the Sony F-828, Olympus C-8080, Konica Minolta A200 and others but all were superzoom type cameras..

However, it was Fujifilm that pioneered the Super CCD that was 1/1.7" (1/1.6" in the E900/S9000) and used this size in superzooms and compacts. It has only been in the last year or two that other manufacturers have increased their CCD sizes to match - Sony with the W200 and the G9, of course, and a few others. But most still persist with the 1/2.5" in compacts..

Cheers..

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