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Indecisive DSLR learner needs your help...
I really (desperately!) need opinions on which of the following 3 deals is best....

(I am a complete novice to dslr photography but need to purchase one due to a college course I have just started, I have no particular area I would like to specialise in at this stage I just need a good all-rounder to use whilst doing my course. I do however take a lot of shots indoors - so thats something to be taken into consideration, as is value for money on the deals)..

1) Canon 400d with 18-55mm kit lens, + Tamron 55-200mm lens (475).

2) Nikon D40x with 18-55mm kit lens, + Nikon 55-200mm lens (435).

3) Nikon D40 with 18-55mm kit lens, + Nikon 55-200mm lens (355).

I've read various reviews about all 3 cameras so know the basics - (I know these Nikons need the AF-S lenses and that the D40 is only 6mp (hence the price) etc). I've also handled all 3 cameras, but still have the following questions:.

A) Which camera offers the best built-in flash?.

B) I've read that the 18-55mm lens from Canon is not the best, is the standard lens from Nikon a better basic lens?.

C) What about the larger lenses? Is the Nikon 55-200mm better than the Tamron? (I heard that the Tamron can sometimes lose image quality at the edges of photos?).

D) (Should have put this question first as it really concerns me)... Should I worry about not having ISO 100 on the Nikon D40?.

D) Is it worth paying the extra 80 (the difference in price between the two Nikons) to get the ISO 100 and the extra 4mp? I will be unlikely to enlarge beyond 10" x 8".

E) Should the Canon sensor cleaning/dust removal play a major part in the decision making?.

F) Does anyone who owns the Nikon D40/D40x really find the lack of hard buttons for ISO/WB a chore? (I know there is a fn button that can be customised to cater for one of these).

G) Assuming that for the most part I will be using JPEG rather than RAW - does the Canon or Nikon give the better basic image quality?.

H) Are there any common faults on any of the cameras? (I read on the Nikon forums that the D40's do seem to have problems with the pins in the memory card slots).

I) For a beginner which one of these 3 cameras is easiest to find the way around and use?.

J) If it was your money - (as a beginner) which one would you go for?.

I'll be extremely grateful for anyone who gives an opinion. I'm completely split as to which one to go for. One of the brands I instinctively want to pick up more than the other - but it is the other brand that seems to be easier for me to use!.

Sorry for so many questions but I really need your help!.

Lynn..

Comments (8)

I will not be a whole lot of help, however my wife and I just bought a D40. We were looking at going with the D40x and a two lens combo(the 18-55 and the 55-200mm lens) however after looking at them and the price over here in canada, we decided to go with the lower camera body and we went with the better 18-200mm VR lens. we spent more money a couple hundered more but we now have a good camera body and 1 lens which we will have for a very long time. The other nice thing about the one lens is that your not constantly switching out from one to the next, that could lead to dust on the sensor. I have taken several photos so far and we are both very pleased with it. I know this isn't much help but I can tell you that no matter what your going to be happy especially if you are upgrading from a P&S camera like we just did...



Cheers..

Comment #1

Lynndy Lou:.

Welcome to dlsr photography. Let me try to answer a few of your questions. All three cameras are great. You would not go wrong with any of them. I shoot a Canon (350D), so I am biased, but I'll try not to show excess bias in my answers..

A) I've been told (but have no first-hand experience) that Nikon has the better built-in flash. Mine works fine, but I will buy a better flash if I ever get serious about portraits..

B) The Canon kit lens is much better than it's reputation suggests. It is a learner lens, and as such it is built cheaply. I have no personal experience, but I suspect that all kit lenses are less than top quality. However, persons say that the Nikon kit lens is better. If you search the Canon forums for photos taken with the kit lens, you will see that it is fine toward the mid range of f stops..

C) Unless your class requires it, I would not buy a long lens yet. Rather, I would learn photography with the kit lens and use the extra time to decide exactly what other lenses I need. Instead of a long lens, I would buy the "thrifty fifty" 50mm f/1.8 (it costs about $80) to use to learn the basics of brokeh..

D) I seldom ever use ISO 100 (my photos seem to be better at ISO 200). Megapixels don't make a bit of difference unless you intend to blow photos up to a large size..

E) Some other Canon users really like the Canon sensor clearning/dust removal system. I have had absolutely no problem with dust (and I live in dusty Kansas)..

F) Can't help you..

G) I can speak only for Canon. I shoot mostly JPEGs, and they look great. I photoprocess my photos (but so does every other honest photographer) to make them pop..

H) I have had no problems with my 350D..

I) The Canon is easy to learn. Photography, however, is a complex topic that will require a lot of effort on your part. This applies to all three cameras you are considering..

J) I would buy the 350D (first choice) or 400D (second choice). You will be buying into a system that you will use for the remainder of your life. You might as well go with the best..

Jerryhttp://jchoate.zenfolio.com/..

Comment #2

I am a D40x owner, and like the Canon owner, will try not to be biased either..

A) Which camera offers the best built-in flash?.

I also have read that Nikon's i-TTL system is arguably the best flash system. I think the built-in flash is more than adequate for unimportant shots, and I also have the inexpensive SB400 flash which is a great little flash, and makes a huge difference in light quality..

B) I've read that the 18-55mm lens from Canon is not the best, isthe standard lens from Nikon a better basic lens?.

Nikon also has the upper hand here. Their kit lenses have a reputation for being very good, as far as kit lenses go. I have the 18-55 kit lens, and am very happy with it - very sharp and produces great colors..

C) What about the larger lenses? Is the Nikon 55-200mm better thanthe Tamron? (I heard that the Tamron can sometimes lose imagequality at the edges of photos?).

I have the Nikon 55-200VR lens (Vibration Reduction), and have been very happy with it at both ends. I have not used the Tamron so I cannot comment on it..

D) (Should have put this question first as it really concerns me)...Should I worry about not having ISO 100 on the Nikon D40?.

I don't think it is a major issue. I usually shoot at 100 when possible to get the least amount of noise as possible, but a lot of people shoot at 200 quite happily. Also, the D40 may be a little better at noise handling than the D40x due to the fewer MP's..

D) Is it worth paying the extra 80 (the difference in price betweenthe two Nikons) to get the ISO 100 and the extra 4mp? I will beunlikely to enlarge beyond 10" x 8".

Aside from print size, the higher MP count also allows you to crop more while maintaining a good image size and image quality. The other difference, again, not major, is a little quicker FPS rate (frames per second) in burst shooting..

E) Should the Canon sensor cleaning/dust removal play a major partin the decision making?.

I do wish the d40x had something like this, however all sensors will need physical cleaning at one point or another, but Canon may keep the sensor cleaner between cleanings..

F) Does anyone who owns the Nikon D40/D40x really find the lack ofhard buttons for ISO/WB a chore? (I know there is a fn button thatcan be customised to cater for one of these).

I never had the hard buttons, and so I don't miss them. I have the fn button set to ISO. Also, you can skip the menu digging by pressing the +/Zoom button at the back of the camera twice, and use the directional pad to quickly select and change all necessary settings in the LCD settings display - I've gotten pretty good at this .

G) Assuming that for the most part I will be using JPEG rather thanRAW - does the Canon or Nikon give the better basic image quality?.

I don't know which has the better jpeg, if either, but I was very happy with the quality when I was shooting jpeg - very vibrant and crisp. I now shoot raw, not because the jpeg was bad, but because there's much more you can adjust in raw format..

H) Are there any common faults on any of the cameras? (I read onthe Nikon forums that the D40's do seem to have problems with thepins in the memory card slots).

I've never had problem with this (knock on wood!), and I don't think I've heard of this; I think CF cards have the sensitive pins that sometimes bend easily..

I) For a beginner which one of these 3 cameras is easiest to findthe way around and use?.

The D40/x is very easy, with very helpful intuitive hints available by pressing the ? button when you're not sure what something does, exactly..

J) If it was your money - (as a beginner) which one would you go for?.

I have no regrets about the D40x. I would still buy it knowing the image quality that comes out of this camera, and I like the feel of it. It also fits with my plan of keeping this little very potent camera as a grab-n-go second camera after I improve my skills and get more serious, at which time I would like to get a D300 as my main camera. But I'm sure the Canon is just as good - I really think you can't go wrong... after all is read and said, it's how the camera feels in your hands as you're going through the buttons, viewing and shooting. Which feels more comfortable for you? The more comfortable it is, the more you will use it - and that is a good thing .

I hope this helps!.

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Comment #3

I would get at least one lens with IS/VR (image stabilization) and one fast (low F capability) lens (the 50f1.8 lenses are usually cheap, the 85f1.8 is often a popular choice for portraits; the tamron 17-50f2.8 is popular). Slow consumer zooms that may be prone to chromatic aberration only get you so far and then you'll want something better. Get one lens that can focus closely (like 8"-10"); it's frustrating to shoot closeups with a lens that can only focus three feet away. If you like to shoot small things close-up then a macro lens can let you fill the frame more than a regular lens..

Consider the lens/flash systems for each brand as part of your decision (for instance I like the way canon offers four flavors of the 70-200 lens). Some think Nikon may have the upper hand when it comes to flash..

I change ISO constantly (it's all about aperture, shutter speed and ISO) so I couldn't live without a dedicated ISO button. I shoot mostly RAW so I can usually worry about WB in post (but it is nice to have a camera with good auto WB)..

The tamron 18-250 has been getting surprisingly good reviews given the range it covers (the usual thinking is that you can't cover that much territory and still have a decent lens)...

Comment #4

Lynndy Lou wrote:.

A) Which camera offers the best built-in flash?.

IMHO built in flash is for snapshots only. External flash is the way to go for serious photographer. It is widely spread opinion that Nikon flash system is the best..

B) I've read that the 18-55mm lens from Canon is not the best, isthe standard lens from Nikon a better basic lens?.

Yes, Nikon 18-55mm lens is better. Much better..

C) What about the larger lenses? Is the Nikon 55-200mm better thanthe Tamron? (I heard that the Tamron can sometimes lose imagequality at the edges of photos?).

All cheap zooms do that. Nikkor 55-200 is a decent lens..

D) (Should have put this question first as it really concerns me)...Should I worry about not having ISO 100 on the Nikon D40?.

No..

D) Is it worth paying the extra 80 (the difference in price betweenthe two Nikons) to get the ISO 100 and the extra 4mp? I will beunlikely to enlarge beyond 10" x 8".

No, no point to pay extra for 10 megapixels..

E) Should the Canon sensor cleaning/dust removal play a major partin the decision making?.

No. It's ineffective, put in just for marketing purposes..

F) Does anyone who owns the Nikon D40/D40x really find the lack ofhard buttons for ISO/WB a chore? (I know there is a fn button thatcan be customised to cater for one of these).

I don't own Nikon, but dedicated buttons are always very convenient..

G) Assuming that for the most part I will be using JPEG rather thanRAW - does the Canon or Nikon give the better basic image quality?.

Both they do fine job with JPEGs..

J) If it was your money - (as a beginner) which one would you go for?.

I would go for Pentax K100D .

Edvinas..

Comment #5

Thank you all for your comments so far, there's probably one thing I didn't make very clear. The deals involved in my dilemma....

Lynndy Lou wrote:.

1) Canon 400d with 18-55mm kit lens, + Tamron 55-200mm lens (475).

2) Nikon D40x with 18-55mm kit lens, + Nikon 55-200mm lens (435).

3) Nikon D40 with 18-55mm kit lens, + Nikon 55-200mm lens (355).

... are only available (at those prices) with the lenses stated..

Basically the deal is if you buy one of these three cameras (with standard kit lens) you get the additional 55-200mm lens for the rock bottom price of 30! It seemed like a good deal for a complete beginner???.

Initially I thought that with these basic lenses it would give me (remembering that I am a complete novice) a chance to experiment a bit, find what focal lengths I tend to use most, explore where I want to go with my photography, etc and progress accordingly in the future - but I don't know if I'm being swayed by the whole "it's a bargain" idea?.

In an ideal world (where money was no object) I would probably want to start with either the Nikon or Canon camera body (that's still a decision to be made) and a lens that covered the range 18-135mm, or more, with VR/IS. A faster lens would obviously be a bonus too. However this would obviously bump up my initial spend considerably. It raises another question... should I ignore the above deals and save up to get what I really would like?.

(But then again the difference in price between buying the camera body only and camera body with 18-55mm kit lens is usually negligible, and the 55-200mm lens is only 30, so even if I got one of the above deals and in a few months time never used either of the basic lenses again - the most I would have wasted is about 40)..

Getting back to the above deals - if they're all on a par quality-wise (ignoring the pixel difference of the D40), I'm wondering if the best deal is really the Nikon D40? It is 120 cheaper than the Canon deal and the replies so far seem to indicate that the Nikon lenses in the offer are better than those in the Canon offer. This 120 could go a long way towards buying an additional lens in the future?.

Would like to thank those who have already replied, but would still like to hear other opinions..

I apologise for being completely and utterly indecisive to the point where I should really be shot (and I don't mean by a camera!).

Lynn..

Comment #6

Edvinas wrote:.

J) If it was your money - (as a beginner) which one would you go for?.

I would go for Pentax K100D .

Ha, ha - made me smile! Your reply was really helpful, you just blew it at the final post .

Lynn..

Comment #7

After shooting for a while, I want fast lenses, lenses with IS/VR, macro lenses, super-wides, primes. Slow consumer zooms just don't interest me that much (maybe if I were travelling and could only take one lens then the tamron 18-250 would be appealing). So I just buy body only and then get the lenses I really want. The kit lens is probably a good deal but why not put that money toward a really good lens instead?.

A salesguy told me he thought the d40 was better than the d40x. can't remember why but newer isn't always better..

Ergonomics are important. make sure that whatever camera you get fits your hand well. no replacement for buying from a quality local camera store (where you can get the camera off the tether)...

Comment #8

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