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I figure someone here probably knows about cameras so I thought you guys could be able to help..

Here is the deal I am looking for an intro dSLR I don't want anything too expensive so lets keep it under $800..

So far I have been looking at the Nikon D40, 60, and 80I have also been looking at the Canon EOS Rebel.

So can anyone hepl me I really don't know what to get and every time I go to the store they try and convince me I need a $2,000 camera to get good pics..

Comments (21)

It would help if you'd tell us a little about the types of things you want to take pictures of and if you'd prioritize the list...

Comment #1

Jooooeee wrote:.

>So can anyone hepl me I really don't know what to get and every timeI go to the store they try and convince me I need a $2,000 camera toget good pics.

Check out this link:.

Http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm..

Comment #2

I will mostly take pictures of nature landscapes, flowers, ect. but I will also take some pictures of people...

Comment #3

Do you really need a DSLR?.

If yes is image quality important for you at a budget price, but you don't care of highest ISO and speed? Then a Sigma SD14 could be an alternative..

If image quality is all for you and you want have your camera every day with you and can accept a wide angle prime you could have a look onto the Sigma DP1, the only point and shoot type camera with a sensor as big as the commonly used APSC DSLRs, and a very fine image quality..

One recommendation, as a beginner don't spend too much money on a high end model. You need time to learn, and you can't make money with your camera. Two years is an eternity for advance in technology, you will get even better cameras at a probably more reasonable price then, if you really wish..

Lighting and skills are so much more important to a picture than features of a camera, and quality lenses often cost more than an entry level body. What is about a flash, and a tripod able to hold your camera, versatile and not too heavy? Expensive stuff. Don't get cheated by sellers. They want the best from you, and this is your money!.

In the end the final quality of the picture is what counts. A great resource ishttp://www.pbase.com. You can view on pictures taken by different cameras and lenses, very good to evaluate the capabilities of different systems....

Best regards.

Wolfgang.

Jooooeee wrote:.

I figure someone here probably knows about cameras so I thought youguys could be able to help..

Here is the deal I am looking for an intro dSLR I don't want anythingtoo expensive so lets keep it under $800..

So far I have been looking at the Nikon D40, 60, and 80I have also been looking at the Canon EOS Rebel.

So can anyone hepl me I really don't know what to get and every timeI go to the store they try and convince me I need a $2,000 camera toget good pics..

Comment #4

Jooooeee wrote:.

I will mostly take pictures of nature landscapes, flowers, ect. but Iwill also take some pictures of people..

If this is your application, this is the subject the Sigma SD14 is best, nature and macro. Have a look around http://www.rytterfalk.com and the sigma forum here .

Best regards.

Wolfgang..

Comment #5

Spalbird wrote:.

Jooooeee wrote:.

I will mostly take pictures of nature landscapes, flowers, ect. but Iwill also take some pictures of people..

If this is your application, this is the subject the Sigma SD14 isbest, nature and macro. Have a look around http://www.rytterfalk.comand the sigma forum here .

That may be a good camera, but at $800 for the body only (B&H price), any lens will put him over his budget...

Comment #6

Mikelis wrote:.

Check out this link:.

Http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm.

I'm not sure that Ken Rockwell is a good site to send to newbies. He is fairly controversial due to his questionable/simplistic advice and "reviews" of products...

Comment #7

Jooooeee wrote:.

Here is the deal I am looking for an intro dSLR I don't want anything.

Too expensive so lets keep it under $800..

So far I have been looking at the Nikon D40, 60, and 80I have also been looking at the Canon EOS Rebel.

So can anyone hepl me I really don't know what to get and every timeI go to the store they try and convince me I need a $2,000 camera toget good pics.

For the type of pictures that you are looking for (landscapes, flowers, and some people), any DSLR work. You should be more concerned about a good tripod, then the camera that you pick, if that is your main photographic passion..

Note, with landscapes and flowers, you will normally be using low ISO and a small aperture (f8 or smaller) and a wide to normal focal length (the type that normally comes as the kit lens). Basically, any DSLR (including the ones that you listed) will do this well enough where you can print fairly large...

Comment #8

Hi,.

If you really know nothing about cameras then I'd advise you to stop thinking about a dSLR and start thinking about a camera, a printer and the software to view the pictures with. And I'll go along with the tripod suggestion and add a few books, a grey card and a fold up reflector to the shopping list..

You'll find your budget will be better spent on less camera at first and more on other things as you need to find out what you are like as a photographer and something like Ken R's suggestion will be a good starting point. And you'll be better off doing your own printing and glossy photo paper and the ink for it will eat into your budget..

Are these your idea of flower shots? Both were taken with elderly P&S's....

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Ideally you should buy the books first; if will make it a lot easier..

Regards, David..

Comment #9

Dave_s93 wrote:.

Spalbird wrote:.

Jooooeee wrote:.

I will mostly take pictures of nature landscapes, flowers, ect. but Iwill also take some pictures of people..

If this is your application, this is the subject the Sigma SD14 isbest, nature and macro. Have a look around http://www.rytterfalk.comand the sigma forum here .

That may be a good camera, but at $800 for the body only (B&H price),any lens will put him over his budget..

Cameta Camera, a very reputable dealer, sells the body for less than $600.00. For $870.00, the SD14 with the new 18-200mm DC OS lens is quite a starter kit..

My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com.

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Comment #10

That may be a good camera, but at $800 for the body only (B&H price),any lens will put him over his budget..

Cameta Camera, a very reputable dealer, sells the body for less than $600.00. For $870.00, the SD14 with the new 18-200mm DC OS lens is quite a starter kit..

Again... thanks for playing but how is $870 < $800 budget?.

For $650 the e510 2 lens kit covering from 28-300mm(effective focal length) is a better starter kit...IMO.

I'm sure the next 10, 20, 30 posters will all have their opinions as well as there is no right answer other than to illustrate the fact your's still doesn't meet the criteria..

OP, handle the camera you are thinking about, define your budget and stick to it. get the most mp for your budget you can(to keep you as current as possible for the longest period of time). get the best kit lenses you can for your budget(OLY) and start shooting..

A newb should consider image stabilization and dust reduction as well, in body IS lets all lenses mounted have it, canon/nikon have IS in lens meaning their lenses are more costly/complex if you want IS. dust reduction means keeping dust off a sensor, Oly has the only system that is regarded as effective at this, the rest don't. with the other's you will have to pay to clean the sensor or have to do it yourself with the correct tools to do it risking sensor damage otherwise. Oly does have to be cleaned sometimes just with no where near the frequency of the others. never had to clean in almost 3 years of shooting my e300..

Make sure you leave money for a CF card and bag to carry the kit around in and if lucky find an shoe mounted flash as the built in ones are hardly worth the effort for taking anything other than snapshot type pics..

Good luck with whatever you pic as they all have their pros'/cons and any will do the job for someone in your position..

E1 w/ grip, e510, e300 w/ grip, 8mm FE, 14-54mm, 35mm, 50mm, 40-150mm,50-200mm, fl-50, fuji - 6800..

Comment #11

There is a review in the Photographer today of the D60 and it says with the price structure as it is there is no point buying one, buy the D80 which is only a little more. The D40 is not worth buying as you'd wished you'd got the D60 instead.Jules.

Why can't you blow bubbles with chewing gum?..

Comment #12

If you know nothing about cameras, I would suggest starting with a digicam instead of a DSLR. You can indeed spend a lot on a DSLR. Plus you need to deal with the complexity and lens changes, and the bulk, etc. There are plenty of very good choices in the $200-$400 range...

Comment #13

A lot of people fall into the flawed logic of good-better-best when in truth different cameras are created for different users and different applications. Different cameras are better for different things. A DSLR, even the most basic ones being produced currently, will provide you with a lot of control and a lot of tools but if you don't know how to use those tools, then they won't do you any good..

A car with a manual transmission can offer better performance and control to the driver unless the driver doesn't know how to drive a stick, in which case it offers much WORSE performance..

So why do you want a DSLR? If the answer is because you have seen sample photos and the best ones come from DSLRs (an answer I heard often) then please reconsider. The best photos AND the worse photos I have seen have both been from DSLRs. A DSLR just gives you more control, and that can translate in the hands of a beginner to the freedom to take worse photos then if they were using a camera that did not demand so much understanding..

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Photolog: http://photos.apt131.comGallery: http://www.pbase.com/jess_ulm..

Comment #14

Freealfas wrote:.

That may be a good camera, but at $800 for the body only (B&H price),any lens will put him over his budget..

Cameta Camera, a very reputable dealer, sells the body for less than$600.00. For $870.00, the SD14 with the new 18-200mm DC OS lens isquite a starter kit..

Again... thanks for playing but how is $870 < $800 budget?.

For $650 the e510 2 lens kit covering from 28-300mm(effective focallength) is a better starter kit...IMO.

I'm sure the next 10, 20, 30 posters will all have their opinions aswell as there is no right answer other than to illustrate the factyour's still doesn't meet the criteria..

OP, handle the camera you are thinking about, define your budget andstick to it. get the most mp for your budget you can(to keep you ascurrent as possible for the longest period of time). get the best kitlenses you can for your budget(OLY) and start shooting..

A newb should consider image stabilization and dust reduction aswell, in body IS lets all lenses mounted have it, canon/nikon have ISin lens meaning their lenses are more costly/complex if you want IS.dust reduction means keeping dust off a sensor, Oly has the onlysystem that is regarded as effective at this, the rest don't. withthe other's you will have to pay to clean the sensor or have to do ityourself with the correct tools to do it risking sensor damageotherwise. Oly does have to be cleaned sometimes just with no wherenear the frequency of the others. never had to clean in almost 3years of shooting my e300..

As far I am informed the strengths of the Oly system is image stabilization which works better than other manufacturers in camera stabilisation (although the 18-200 OS has a even better one), dust reduction, weather sealing, small body. Oly lenses have a very good reputation but tend also to be expensive. Recently Sigma as a third party manufacturers offer parts of their lens line for Oly also..

The SD14 has an effective dust reduction system as well. Its mirror boxed is sealed by a glass filter, so no dust can enter when changing lenses. Sigma's strengths are landscape and macro photography, and the 18-50mm EX macro or 17-70mm DC macro would be a great start with very fine lenses well above kit quality, however, as the OP mentioned, probably above 800$. The SD14-18-200mm OS is a real bargain for 870$ IMO..

Make sure you leave money for a CF card and bag to carry the kitaround in and if lucky find an shoe mounted flash as the built inones are hardly worth the effort for taking anything other thansnapshot type pics..

I am very satisfied with the Nikon SB28 in auto mode on the SD10/14  You can get this flash used very cheap compared to the TTL flashes. The builtin flash is too weak, you can't bounce and longer lenses (zooms at wide angle settings) cover it's light visibly..

Good luck with whatever you pic as they all have their pros'/cons andany will do the job for someone in your position..

Obviously, Oly gives you more bang for the buck? .

/Wolfgang..

Comment #15

David Hughes wrote:.

Hi,.

If you really know nothing about cameras then I'd advise you to stopthinking about a dSLR and start thinking about a camera, a printerand the software to view the pictures with. And I'll go along withthe tripod suggestion and add a few books, a grey card and a fold upreflector to the shopping list..

You'll find your budget will be better spent on less camera at firstand more on other things as you need to find out what you are like asa photographer and something like Ken R's suggestion will be a goodstarting point. And you'll be better off doing your own printing andglossy photo paper and the ink for it will eat into your budget..

Are these your idea of flower shots? Both were taken with elderlyP&S's....

The small sensor of P&S has almost no out of focus areas, and this helps with macros where you have to stop down a DSLR lens quite a bit..

On a DSLR lens you should look whether the lens has macro capability. Many will argue this is 1:1 magnification, for taking flowers it should however be better than 1:5 (e.g. 1:3, 1:2). If you think about taking insects you better have a long macro lens. A budget lens for insects would be the 70-300mm Macro Apo from Sigma, for example..

For taking landscapes with lot of details only stopping down could be not enough, it should have low chromatic aberations and uniform sharpness from corner to corner. Better to get informed before you buy .

/Wolfgang..

Comment #16

Freealfas wrote:.

That may be a good camera, but at $800 for the body only (B&H price),any lens will put him over his budget..

Cameta Camera, a very reputable dealer, sells the body for less than$600.00. For $870.00, the SD14 with the new 18-200mm DC OS lens isquite a starter kit..

Again... thanks for playing but how is $870 < $800 budget?.

It's close enough and I wasn't playing with you..

For $650 the e510 2 lens kit covering from 28-300mm(effective focallength) is a better starter kit...IMO.

It's a good system (I have one). The Zuikos are God-awful expensive lenses when it comes to expand, that's something to consider..

I'm sure the next 10, 20, 30 posters will all have their opinions aswell as there is no right answer other than to illustrate the factyour's still doesn't meet the criteria..

I'm so upset that they'll all illustrate that "mine" doesn't meet the criteria. What's up with you today, got into a fight with the wife?.

OP, handle the camera you are thinking about, define your budget andstick to it. get the most mp for your budget you can(to keep you ascurrent as possible for the longest period of time). get the best kitlenses you can for your budget(OLY) and start shooting..

Thank you for playing - but the Oly isn't the best choice for the shooter's needs due to it's lack of DR compared to other systems..

A newb should consider image stabilization and dust reduction aswell, in body IS lets all lenses mounted have it, canon/nikon have ISin lens meaning their lenses are more costly/complex if you want IS.dust reduction means keeping dust off a sensor, Oly has the onlysystem that is regarded as effective at this, the rest don't. withthe other's you will have to pay to clean the sensor or have to do ityourself with the correct tools to do it risking sensor damageotherwise. Oly does have to be cleaned sometimes just with no wherenear the frequency of the others. never had to clean in almost 3years of shooting my e300..

Cleaning a sensor is no big deal, it takes a couple of minutes and there is zero danger of damaging a sensor when the right tool is used. This is an overblown topic..

Make sure you leave money for a CF card and bag to carry the kitaround in and if lucky find an shoe mounted flash as the built inones are hardly worth the effort for taking anything other thansnapshot type pics..

Good luck with whatever you pic as they all have their pros'/cons andany will do the job for someone in your position..

E1 w/ grip, e510, e300 w/ grip, 8mm FE, 14-54mm, 35mm, 50mm, 40-150mm,50-200mm, fl-50, fuji - 6800.

My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com.

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Comment #17

Dave_s93 wrote:.

Mikelis wrote:.

Check out this link:.

Http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm.

I'm not sure that Ken Rockwell is a good site to send to newbies. Heis fairly controversial due to his questionable/simplistic advice and"reviews" of products..

I followed his advice in 2005 and purchased the Nikon d50 and have had no regrets. Based on my experience with KR I would't hesitate to a beginner photographer to follow his advice and purchase the d40 and lenses...

Comment #18

Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote:.

It's a good system (I have one). The Zuikos are God-awful expensivelenses when it comes to expand, that's something to consider..

Not if compared to like EFL from the big 2, sealed, excellent optics, sigma options are there for budget minded and there is a used market. $<400 for the 50mm f2 one of the sharpest lenses ever, 11-22(not cheap but excellent)..

Like most you invest in the glass as the bodies almost are a disposable commodity..

I'm sure the next 10, 20, 30 posters will all have their opinions aswell as there is no right answer other than to illustrate the factyour's still doesn't meet the criteria..

I'm so upset that they'll all illustrate that "mine" doesn't meet thecriteria. What's up with you today, got into a fight with the wife?.

A little heavy handed, sorry....

OP, handle the camera you are thinking about, define your budget andstick to it. get the most mp for your budget you can(to keep you ascurrent as possible for the longest period of time). get the best kitlenses you can for your budget(OLY) and start shooting..

Thank you for playing - but the Oly isn't the best choice for theshooter's needs due to it's lack of DR compared to other systems..

I'd argue it's as valid an option as any. Add the upgrade glass to the equation and the budget and it would serve the OP quite well as I mentioned IMO as a starter camera system.

A newb should consider image stabilization and dust reduction aswell, in body IS lets all lenses mounted have it, canon/nikon have ISin lens meaning their lenses are more costly/complex if you want IS.dust reduction means keeping dust off a sensor, Oly has the onlysystem that is regarded as effective at this, the rest don't. withthe other's you will have to pay to clean the sensor or have to do ityourself with the correct tools to do it risking sensor damageotherwise. Oly does have to be cleaned sometimes just with no wherenear the frequency of the others. never had to clean in almost 3years of shooting my e300..

Cleaning a sensor is no big deal, it takes a couple of minutes andthere is zero danger of damaging a sensor when the right tool isused. This is an overblown topic..

Yes and no, as a newb it's a valid point to consider I'd argue. I'd like not to have to clean a sensor that often if I didn't have to...

Comment #19

Freealfas wrote:.

Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote:.

It's a good system (I have one). The Zuikos are God-awful expensivelenses when it comes to expand, that's something to consider..

Not if compared to like EFL from the big 2, sealed, excellent optics,sigma options are there for budget minded and there is a used market.$<400 for the 50mm f2 one of the sharpest lenses ever, 11-22(notcheap but excellent)..

Like most you invest in the glass as the bodies almost are adisposable commodity..

Yes, like the 14-54mm Zuiko. Excellent lens. Now that one is not even expensive. The 12-60mm is a better option, IMO, but that's where we get expensive. There is also Sigma, I hope that the new 50mm f1.4 will be in 4/3 mount..

I'm sure the next 10, 20, 30 posters will all have their opinions aswell as there is no right answer other than to illustrate the factyour's still doesn't meet the criteria..

I'm so upset that they'll all illustrate that "mine" doesn't meet thecriteria. What's up with you today, got into a fight with the wife?.

A little heavy handed, sorry....

No problem, maybe my "getting my back up" was a bit heavy handed too..

OP, handle the camera you are thinking about, define your budget andstick to it. get the most mp for your budget you can(to keep you ascurrent as possible for the longest period of time). get the best kitlenses you can for your budget(OLY) and start shooting..

Thank you for playing - but the Oly isn't the best choice for theshooter's needs due to it's lack of DR compared to other systems..

I'd argue it's as valid an option as any. Add the upgrade glass tothe equation and the budget and it would serve the OP quite well as Imentioned IMO as a starter camera system.

I do agree that as a starter system it can't be beat - except maybe by the E-330 two lens kit if there are still some available. That was my intro to Olympus. I bought it at the then fire-sale price last summer to take on a two-week trip to Italy. Carrying my SD9 and heavy EX lenses wasn't appealing to me at the time. This worked out perfectly. The kit lenses are a cut above (maybe two cuts above) other brands of kit lenses.

That didn't work. I traded a Nikon D50 and some lenses for an E-510 and a 14-54mm Zuiko and a Bigma. I've consolidated to two systems..

A newb should consider image stabilization and dust reduction aswell, in body IS lets all lenses mounted have it, canon/nikon have ISin lens meaning their lenses are more costly/complex if you want IS.dust reduction means keeping dust off a sensor, Oly has the onlysystem that is regarded as effective at this, the rest don't. withthe other's you will have to pay to clean the sensor or have to do ityourself with the correct tools to do it risking sensor damageotherwise. Oly does have to be cleaned sometimes just with no wherenear the frequency of the others. never had to clean in almost 3years of shooting my e300..

Cleaning a sensor is no big deal, it takes a couple of minutes andthere is zero danger of damaging a sensor when the right tool isused. This is an overblown topic..

Yes and no, as a newb it's a valid point to consider I'd argue. I'dlike not to have to clean a sensor that often if I didn't have to..

Same here, I like the fact that I won't have to clean my Oly camera sensors anytime soon. But it's a bit overblown by some and there's no need to fear sensor cleaning, it's relatively easy. I'd give up the sensor cleaning function ofthe E-330 to trade it for image stabilzation but that's why I got the E-510. Someday, I'll get an E-3.My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com..

Comment #20

Good camera, bad website, that's my opinion. Rockwell seems to be the type of guy who likes to hear himself talk. And about his reviews - he's "reviewed" gear without ever using it. If he was with Hillary he'd probably back up her story about the sniper fire too.My humble photo gallery: http://ntotrr.smugmug.com..

Comment #21

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