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I already have Fuji F20.. What camera of these as second?
Hi, I choose F20 Fuji because of it's small pixel density, very high lowlight performance and ease of use..

I'd like to get a 2nd camera in order to be able to choose and set aperture and shutter times by their priority, and to get some manual focus or setting..

Always remaining on high quality of details and between 5-8mpixel. (or density 10-20)..

I used "search camera by feature" and came out: (I know, they're too many, but if you want, you can "delete" them from a consideration list  .

Olympus SP-320Olympus SP-310Canon PowerShot A620Canon PowerShot A610Olympus C-7070 Wide ZoomNikon Coolpix 8400Olympus C-7000 ZoomCanon PowerShot G6Canon PowerShot A95Pentax Optio 750ZCanon PowerShot S60Kodak DX7440Olympus C-60 ZoomOlympus C-770 UZOlympus C-765 UZFujifilm FinePix F610Olympus C-5060 ZoomSony DSC-F828Nikon Coolpix 5400Canon PowerShot S50Olympus C-50 ZoomCanon PowerShot G3Canon PowerShot S45Olympus C-5050 Zoom.

According to your experiences, folks, can you suggest me which to buy taking in consideration lenses and ccd quality, contiguity and armony between pixels (expecially viewing pics at max res,or crop), flash shoot length, iso 400 or 800 performance and colours respect, batteries durability and shooting/writing speed, so I can say "comfort"?.

Thank you all, if you don't bore you can also write why "yes" for one model and "not" for another..

Really thank you, guys!..

Comments (21)

Alot of these cameras are discontinued, and not readily available new...

Comment #1

Your list is of old models. List your budget, camera size desired (pocketable or DSLR like), and shooting requirements- wide angle for landscapes or zoom for nature shooting. Since you're spoiled with the F20 for indoor shooting, don't expect much beyond a iiffy ISO 400 for most of the latest pixel packed micro sensors.Steve..

Comment #2

For an up to date list of current cameras, check the B+H web sight...

Comment #3

Ratracer wrote:.

Your list is of old models. List your budget, camera size desired(pocketable or DSLR like), and shooting requirements- wide angle forlandscapes or zoom for nature shooting. Since you're spoiled with theF20 for indoor shooting, don't expect much beyond a iiffy ISO 400 formost of the latest pixel packed micro sensors.Steve.

Budget around 300 or 200 eur.. But it's also ok a good condition used or refurbished.. don't you suggest it?.

Zoom around 4x or better, I mean.. longest is, but the sharpest (or less dark) should be..

It's for this I look at old cameras (and if you look at this, we have **** and a half for old cameras, while it's easier to find *** or **** for new cameras at 8 9 10 12 mpixel resolution...

I'm looking for something "better" in image output and pixel distribution, then a camera wich permits me to shoot at the time or aperture I want (even not buying a SLR).... Because it's boring and annoying shooting ALWAYS or quite always at 1/60 if i'm shooting at night or lowlight with flash or i.e at 1/4 without flash.. i'd like to choose other possibilities... That F20 does not permit (I scrambled all settings )..

Comment #4

Ehazera wrote:.

For an up to date list of current cameras, check the B+H web sight..

What is b+h?..

Comment #5

Are you looking for a better image camera than the F20 based on the images in your gallery, say the "Witches Gathering" images?Steve..

Comment #6

More or less...

That day came out beautiful pics.. but most times I see watercolor effect in most pics I take.. I had a nytech 4mpixels before, pixels were less, but also cropping were squares, and fit one close the other.. in f20 and other cameras such as canon 900ti or panasonics I see pixel "brushed" on the pics.. I'm clear?.

I'd like not to have brushed pics just because i've a 6mpixel or more camera, if not I buy a 3 4 5 mpixel with the biggest sensor.. but I also think that, taking pics with the right time and aperture in each situation I can reduce noises, watercolor and impurity.. isn't it?do you understand my problem?..

Comment #7

Being a F30 owner, I understand completely. Unfortunately, what you are looking for can only be provided by a DSLR with their big sensors and fast lenses. The older cameras suffer greatly on write speeds and even though they don't have the pixel clutter, their processors are not up for low light noise reduction challenge either.Steve..

Comment #8

So in case should I buy a f30 in spite of other cameras, whatever they could be? just f30 (speaking of compact cameras) could help me about this?..

Comment #9

No, you'll just get similar results as your F20. Only a DSLR will improve that type of capture unfortunately. The F series are (were) the stand-outs for this,but at the cost of detail. Sorry I can't be of more help.Steve..

Comment #10

Ratracer wrote:.

No, you'll just get similar results as your F20. Only a DSLR willimprove that type of capture unfortunately. The F series are (were)the stand-outs for this,but at the cost of detail. Sorry I can't beof more help.Steve.

I red that super ccd sensor of f20 is an actually 3mpixel sensor, combined in 6mpixel by an octagonal or esagonal interpolation (or more or less) isn't it? is it the cause of pixel brushing at high iso or very low light? any other camera who doesn't have this problem but does have real 4 or 5 mpixel ccd sensor? i.e I saw canon g6 (or other of g series), does it take better output,speaking about pixel distribution? anyone have the answer?..

Comment #11

Virgiglius wrote:.

I red that super ccd sensor of f20 is an actually 3mpixel sensor,combined in 6mpixel by an octagonal or esagonal interpolation (ormore or less) isn't it? is it the cause of pixel brushing at high isoor very low light?.

No it has 6Mpixels all identical. What you are talkong about is super CCD-SR sensor which is being used in Fuji's DSLRs (S3-pro etc.)..

Slightly better ISO performance of Fuji sensors are partly due to their peculiar octagonal arrangement and better compression and NR algorithms and partly due to 50% larger sensor than other similar resolution cameras. The lens is sharp which throws enough contrast to mitigate the effect of noise..

Any other camera who doesn't have this problem butdoes have real 4 or 5 mpixel ccd sensor? i.e I saw canon g6 (or otherof g series), does it take better output,speaking about pixeldistribution? anyone have the answer?.

Current line of cameras like G9 (upto ISO800), Fuji S100fs (upto ISO1600) produce good enough results if you shoot in Raw mode and post process yourself for JPG conversion.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #12

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Virgiglius wrote:.

I red that super ccd sensor of f20 is an actually 3mpixel sensor,combined in 6mpixel by an octagonal or esagonal interpolation (ormore or less) isn't it? is it the cause of pixel brushing at high isoor very low light?.

No it has 6Mpixels all identical. What you are talkong about is superCCD-SR sensor which is being used in Fuji's DSLRs (S3-pro etc.).Slightly better ISO performance of Fuji sensors are partly due totheir peculiar octagonal arrangement and better compression and NRalgorithms and partly due to 50% larger sensor than other similarresolution cameras. The lens is sharp which throws enough contrast tomitigate the effect of noise..

Any other camera who doesn't have this problem butdoes have real 4 or 5 mpixel ccd sensor? i.e I saw canon g6 (or otherof g series), does it take better output,speaking about pixeldistribution? anyone have the answer?.

Current line of cameras like G9 (upto ISO800), Fuji S100fs (uptoISO1600) produce good enough results if you shoot in Raw mode andpost process yourself for JPG conversion.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time..

So Canon g9 raw is bettern than fuji f20 jpeg? I mean depending to output quality (taking apart colours and other subjective things).. and if I consider g6 or g7 that are quite less expensive?..

Comment #13

Virgiglius wrote:.

So Canon g9 raw is bettern than fuji f20 jpeg? I mean depending tooutput quality (taking apart colours and other subjective things)..and if I consider g6 or g7 that are quite less expensive?.

So I considered also (cos they shoot in raw mode) the following:.

Nikon Coolpix 8400Olympus C-7000 ZoomSony DSC-V3Canon PowerShot S70Canon PowerShot G6 I like it's samplesFujifilm FinePix E550 ZoomSony DSC-F828Canon PowerShot G5 I like it's samplesFujifilm FinePix F700Canon PowerShot G3Ricoh GR Digital IIRicoh Caplio GX100Olympus SP-320.

What's the best for you?..

Comment #14

As I see it is. You may get grainy images but those will have lot of details. It is another matter if Fuji F20 offered RAW (wistful thinking).http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong9/page9.asphttp://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong9/page10.asp.

Current cameras (G9, Fuji S100fs, GX100 etc.) are faster (focus and shot to shot times) and RAW mode is practically usable because of much less shot to shot times than older ones you mentioned. JPG processing is also better..

If you have money constraints then Nikon P5100, Panasonic FX500, Fuji F50fd would be good enough to give those last generation cameras a run for their money..

Virgiglius wrote:.

So Canon g9 raw is bettern than fuji f20 jpeg? I mean depending tooutput quality (taking apart colours and other subjective things)..and if I consider g6 or g7 that are quite less expensive?.

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #15

Ajay0612 wrote:.

As I see it is. You may get grainy images but those will have lot ofdetails. It is another matter if Fuji F20 offered RAW (wistfulthinking).http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong9/page9.asphttp://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong9/page10.asp.

Current cameras (G9, Fuji S100fs, GX100 etc.) are faster (focus andshot to shot times) and RAW mode is practically usable because ofmuch less shot to shot times than older ones you mentioned. JPGprocessing is also better.If you have money constraints then Nikon P5100, Panasonic FX500, FujiF50fd would be good enough to give those last generation cameras arun for their money..

Virgiglius wrote:.

So Canon g9 raw is bettern than fuji f20 jpeg? I mean depending tooutput quality (taking apart colours and other subjective things)..and if I consider g6 or g7 that are quite less expensive?.

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time..

Mm I like p5100 pics (dpreview samples) but not as much as f30 fuji.. cause of color "discontigue", not with uniorm nuances....

Fx500... is "panasonic".. can panasonic compete with other historical photografic productors as nikon and danon?..fuji f50fd... more pixel density, isn't it worst than f20???.

G9.. mmm g9 ok but quite expensive..s100fs.. too big;).

Gx100.. good good camera.. but.. is it better to save money and buy a bridge or a slr or insted taking a g9?? or if I take a g9 or gx100, talking about raw, I can have the "quite the same" effect of a SLR?I can anwer myself, NO!;) ccd and LENSES are better then compact cameras so.. does it worth to get an "expensive-good-at-raw-compact?.

Sorry for my mental trips;)..

Comment #16

Virgiglius wrote:.

Mm I like p5100 pics (dpreview samples) but not as much as f30 fuji..cause of color "discontigue", not with uniorm nuances...Fx500... is "panasonic".. can panasonic compete with other historicalphotografic productors as nikon and danon?...

Short answer. Yes (now)..

Fuji f50fd... more pixel density, isn't it worst than f20???.

At higher ISOs yes. Have you searched for F31fd (A/S priority) or S6000fd?.

G9.. mmm g9 ok but quite expensive...

Then consider Canon A650IS, A720IS, A570IS etc. One can use CHDK firmware to enhance their capabilities (enabling Raw shooting etc.)..

S100fs.. too big;).

Unfortunately there are no better & cheaper/smaller cameras currently..

Gx100.. good good camera.. but.. is it better to save money and buy abridge or a slr or insted taking a g9?? or if I take a g9 or gx100,talking about raw, I can have the "quite the same" effect of a SLR?Ican anwer myself, NO!;) ccd and LENSES are better then compactcameras so.. does it worth to get an "expensive-good-at-raw-compact?.

Compact cameras are all about convenience and portability. e.g. I carry TX1 all the time while my Sony R1 sees the light only on serious outings.Also these top of line compacts have better lenses than kits offered with DSLRs..

You have to prioritize you requirements. Size, budget, lens, IQ, speed, features, etc. High ISO performance is only one of the factor which comes into play in low light action shooting.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #17

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Virgiglius wrote:.

Mm I like p5100 pics (dpreview samples) but not as much as f30 fuji..cause of color "discontigue", not with uniorm nuances...Fx500... is "panasonic".. can panasonic compete with other historicalphotografic productors as nikon and danon?...

Short answer. Yes (now)..

Fuji f50fd... more pixel density, isn't it worst than f20???.

At higher ISOs yes. Have you searched for F31fd (A/S priority) orS6000fd?.

G9.. mmm g9 ok but quite expensive...

Then consider Canon A650IS, A720IS, A570IS etc. One can use CHDKfirmware to enhance their capabilities (enabling Raw shooting etc.)..

S100fs.. too big;).

Unfortunately there are no better & cheaper/smaller cameras currently..

Gx100.. good good camera.. but.. is it better to save money and buy abridge or a slr or insted taking a g9?? or if I take a g9 or gx100,talking about raw, I can have the "quite the same" effect of a SLR?Ican anwer myself, NO!;) ccd and LENSES are better then compactcameras so.. does it worth to get an "expensive-good-at-raw-compact?.

Compact cameras are all about convenience and portability. e.g. Icarry TX1 all the time while my Sony R1 sees the light only onserious outings.Also these top of line compacts have better lenses than kits offeredwith DSLRs.You have to prioritize you requirements. Size, budget, lens, IQ,speed, features, etc. High ISO performance is only one of the factorwhich comes into play in low light action shooting.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time..

No, s6000fd no, I won't use anymore AA batteries' camera;)your answer were very very comprehensive, thank you..

Then I'll tell you my priorities..

1)size (as closer to a compact as I can get)2)Image quality (pixel contiguity considering) so then lenses.

3)budget, around 300eur or a good used for 200-350 max, dependig to which camera..

4)features, I mean uncompressed format (so in not good low-light-performance I can gain something by non-compressing) or better having the possibility to save the same file in raw and non raw at the same time, in order to choose and not to have to PP every pic I took later..does g9 have this? it is, with p5100 and p5000 the camera which i'm considering more....

It seems to me that, apart colors, in daylight, expecially in good light conditions, every camera works the same.. then something changes, so I prefere a camera that give me more features of good output file in lowlight or high-iso, above 400 I mean, than another one(and I think I can solve the problem of pics took in lowlight by using a/s priority in order to have pics firm and sharper because I set shutting times, and also taking it in RAW in order to reduce chromatic or noise errors, to solve it and set real parameters with PProduction)...

Comment #18

Virgiglius wrote:.

1)size (as closer to a compact as I can get)2)Image quality (pixel contiguity considering) so then lenses3)budget, around 300eur or a good used for 200-350 max, dependig towhich camera.4)features, I mean uncompressed format (so in not goodlow-light-performance I can gain something by non-compressing) orbetter having the possibility to save the same file in raw and nonraw at the same time, in order to choose and not to have to PP everypic I took later..does g9 have this? it is, with p5100 and p5000 thecamera which i'm considering more....

Yes. G9 has RAW + JPG mode..

If you are ready to buy used then why don't consider used DSLR? e.g. Nikon D40 or Pentax K100D. These will be faster, much better in low light IQ (owing to their larger sensors). The size will be comparable to typical prosumer you listed.These are as easy to use in AUTO mode.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #19

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Virgiglius wrote:.

1)size (as closer to a compact as I can get)2)Image quality (pixel contiguity considering) so then lenses3)budget, around 300eur or a good used for 200-350 max, dependig towhich camera.4)features, I mean uncompressed format (so in not goodlow-light-performance I can gain something by non-compressing) orbetter having the possibility to save the same file in raw and nonraw at the same time, in order to choose and not to have to PP everypic I took later..does g9 have this? it is, with p5100 and p5000 thecamera which i'm considering more....

Yes. G9 has RAW + JPG mode.If you are ready to buy used then why don't consider used DSLR? e.g.Nikon D40 or Pentax K100D. These will be faster, much better in lowlight IQ (owing to their larger sensors). The size will be comparableto typical prosumer you listed.These are as easy to use in AUTO mode.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time..

Ah, d40 (and also k100d) I considered it a lot!! also cos at home I have some nikon lenses by my father's old reflex.. is d40 not so much greater than g9?? mmm.. i'll make a thought about it  thank you for your long willingness and suggestions!!..

Comment #20

Virgiglius wrote:.

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Yes. G9 has RAW + JPG mode.If you are ready to buy used then why don't consider used DSLR? e.g.Nikon D40 or Pentax K100D. These will be faster, much better in lowlight IQ (owing to their larger sensors). The size will be comparableto typical prosumer you listed.These are as easy to use in AUTO mode..

Ah, d40 (and also k100d) I considered it a lot!! also cos at home Ihave some nikon lenses by my father's old reflex...

Those lenses won't autofocus on D40. For that functionality you may consdier Nikon D50. D40 however is one of the best low light performer out there..

Is d40 not so muchgreater than g9??.

Well both are not pocketable for sure. However D40 is larger but the size is comparable to Olympus C8080, Nikon P8800, etc. It is one of the smallest DSLR.http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD40/page3.asp.

Mmm.. i'll make a thought about it  thank youfor your long willingness and suggestions!!.

I strongly advise you to consider an old DSLR rather than those older prosumers. You will be happier.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

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