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Help! I can't afford fuji f30 or f31fd, what camera can I buy?
Hi, I'm from Italy, so sorry if my English is not as correct as yours..

I've been astonished by fujifilm f30's sample gallery and I've fallen in love with that digital camera..

By the way I can't find it on sale even on eBay, where I foun just ONE piece, new, in Germany, and it costs over 300 euros..

I have to buy a compact camera and I'm oriented on a 1/1.8<super ccd<1/1.6 camera, between 6 or 8 mpixel resolution, cos' I red that pixels result more bright and shiny than in other 1/2.5 ccds, once photo is taken, and also I'd like to remain under 250 ... So I considered also f31fd, f20 and f40fd (which photos aren't present in "sample galleries", by the way, and I can't compare them with others fuji cameras')..

I also liked manual settings feature such as A/S priority in f30, so if I can find it in other cameras I'd be happy .

Can anybody help me? Do you know other cameras such as sony, nikon, canon, pentax which can offer me similar pics quality such as f30 or f31fd and which we can say "they are quite the same of it"?.

Thank you very much, I hope my English have been clear...

Comments (19)

I suggest the F50. Think of it as an F30 that has IS and scales up F30 images to 12Mp - that's about the way it behaves..

You could try FujiFilm for a refurbished model. I know FujiFilm.co.uk does this, but they only sell to UK addresses. You could also try asking a Fuji dealer if they can try and get you a refurbished F30..

But I think an F50 would be just as good..

StephenG.

Fuji S3 ProPentax K100DFuji S9600Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #1

F30's USP was relatively better high ISO performance. It misssed optical image-stabilization though. You can get good results from any of leading camera brands by shooting at low ISO. (Personally I won't go beyond Base ISO on these compacts unless absolutely necessary. DSLRs are right chocie for High ISO shooting. e.g.

Canon A series (depending on your zoom requirements.)..

Panasonic LX2, Ricoh GX100 (especially by shooting in Raw mode and post-processing).Nikon P5100, P60..

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #2

The F30 and F31 are 'old' cameras now and at the time nothing came close to their high ISO/low light performance..

But the gap has closed a bit and Canon in particular seem to do really very well in low light. Perhaps not quite as good as those old Fujis, but good enough for most situations..

The latest Ixus (Elph) models are well worth looking at. Get one with 'IS' to give you the best photos in the most situations..

Or get, say, a Canon A570IS, which is a bit bigger but has the manual controls you mentioned..

Androohttp://Androo.smugmug.com..

Comment #3

Thank you all....

Mmm let me reply you....

StephenG: yes I thought about f50.. but is all automatic.. and.. I fear those 12.000.000 pixel thick in a 1/1.6... even better than others product, whic put them in a 1/2.5.. I preferred f31fd cos' of manual settings..



Androo: what does "elph" mean?.

Saw a570is pics.. not bad.. but a little "artificial"... seem made of plastic.. they're a little worst than fuji's...also I hate AA batteries... I saw canon g9 and g6 and I like them...

Expensives;);).

Ajay: Ricoh GX100 and nikon p5100.. liked it.. I'll take them in consideration...

Thank you all very much.....

Comment #4

Virgiglius wrote:.

StephenG: yes I thought about f50.. but is all automatic...

It does have A/S priority mode as F30 did. F100fd misses them though.and.. i.

Fear those 12.000.000 pixel thick in a 1/1.6... even better thanothers product, whic put them in a 1/2.5...

Yes. That has taken away it's USP. It gains image-stabilization though..

Androo: what does "elph" mean?.

It is generic prefix to their SD/Ixus serieshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_ElphBest Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #5

Ok.. i'm boring I know.. what's USP? I can't find meaning..ok i'll consider some ixus... or f50fdf....

Mmmm.. opinion about Ricoh Caplio R8?I'm the most undecided man in the world now;)..

Comment #6

Virgiglius wrote:.

Ok.. i'm boring I know.. what's USP? I can't find meaning...

USP = Unique Selling Point.

Mmmm.. opinion about Ricoh Caplio R8?I'm the most undecided man inthe world now;).

The R8 is an interesting camera, but not thought to be very good in low light. It's more of an enthusiasts camera and you can do better for less money..

Androohttp://Androo.smugmug.com..

Comment #7

Androo: what does "elph" mean?.

In some countries (liek the US) Canon call their small cameras Elph. In others, like Europe, they call it the Ixus. In Japan I believe they call it the Ixy. They're the same cameras with different names. They all have different model numbers too making it very difficult to compare when looking at websites from around the world..

Androohttp://Androo.smugmug.com..

Comment #8

Ok. so then you all consider f50fd approximately the best compromise price-quality..??! isn't it?.

A technical question:.

If I use a 12mpixel camera like f50fd with 1/1.6, can I obtain the same quality, sharpness and smoothess of a f30, if I set f50fd to take pics at 6 or 8MP? (i mean setting resolution at 2848 x 2136)? Cos', if ccd sensor is the same....

Thanks for your kindness.

P.s. why not f20?..

Comment #9

Virgiglius wrote:.

Ok. so then you all consider f50fd approximately the best compromiseprice-quality..??! isn't it?.

What are the features you r looking for? (e.g. portability, zoom range, controls, availability of eye-level viewfinder, wide-angle, lens quality, Raw mode, fast performance etc.). Prioritize them.Application you are looking for? (Mainly for snapshots, landscape, indoors etc.).

If I use a 12mpixel camera like f50fd with 1/1.6, can I obtain thesame quality, sharpness and smoothess of a f30, if I set f50fd totake pics at 6 or 8MP? (i mean setting resolution at 2848 x 2136)?Cos', if ccd sensor is the same....

No. That (lower resolution) is arrived at by sampling and not by combining the pixels. Except at ISO 3200 or above where pixels are combined to get somewhat better result (lower noise then normal at that setting)..

P.s. why not f20?.

You wanted manual controls. It does not have those. No image-stabilization either. Poor battery life.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #10

Brightntess in photos shutting, low noise.. large f (2 or 2.8) on wide, also, yes, red eye remover, shake reductions are ok... but the first are sharpness in colours, vivid detail and no much noise... pics mostly close to f30... the a/s priority in a compact was a "curiosity" that would have taken pics as I want, and not as camera does....

Comment #11

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Virgiglius wrote:.

Ok. so then you all consider f50fd approximately the best compromiseprice-quality..??! isn't it?.

What are the features you r looking for? (e.g. portability, zoomrange, controls, availability of eye-level viewfinder, wide-angle,lens quality, Raw mode, fast performance etc.). Prioritize them.Application you are looking for? (Mainly for snapshots, landscape,indoors etc.).

If I use a 12mpixel camera like f50fd with 1/1.6, can I obtain thesame quality, sharpness and smoothess of a f30, if I set f50fd totake pics at 6 or 8MP? (i mean setting resolution at 2848 x 2136)?Cos', if ccd sensor is the same....

No. That (lower resolution) is arrived at by sampling and not bycombining the pixels. Except at ISO 3200 or above where pixels arecombined to get somewhat better result (lower noise then normal atthat setting)..

P.s. why not f20?.

You wanted manual controls. It does not have those. Noimage-stabilization either. Poor battery life.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time..

...combining.. you mean "interpolating"?..

Comment #12

Virgiglius wrote:.

Ajay0612 wrote:.

No. That (lower resolution) is arrived at by sampling and not bycombining the pixels. Except at ISO 3200 or above where pixels arecombined to get somewhat better result (lower noise then normal atthat setting)..

...combining.. you mean "interpolating"?.

No. Adding the charge from adjacent pixels. Effectively means data taken from larger pixel. You will see that max resolution goes down at such settings if this technique is being applied by manufacturer. i.e. that ISO setting will be available only at lower resolution.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #13

I see.. you also mean that if I want to shut always at minimum iso, so I set to "manual" using always iso 100 resolution will decrease? Is it a convenience? I prefere to get darker pics (apart when is necessary) with "0" noise than an iso increase and "pixelled" photos,,, I don't know you, but high iso pics pixels seem to me "discontinuos".....

Comment #14

I just sold my F31, I still have an f20 and F11 so I will live. As a replacement I purchased the Canon A650is and it is superb!! Maybe not as good in lowlight, but not bad either. It has IS, all the manual conrols, a lovely moveable LCD and super, super quality. I can put the adapter on it and use filters, etc. I do keep it at ISO 400 or lower, but no problem. I was afraid I would not like it after using my F31 in lowlight, but was happily surprised..

There is only you and your camera. The limitations in your photography are in yourself,for what we see is what we are.Ernst Haas..

Comment #15

Amazon.com lists refurbished F20's for $100USD..

I am very happy with the F20 and have not found it's lack of manual control or battery life to be a problem...

Comment #16

Virgiglius wrote:.

I see.. you also mean that if I want to shut always at minimum iso,so I set to "manual" using always iso 100 resolution will decrease?.

Where did I say so? You will get max resolution, best dynamic range and lowest noise at minimum ISO setting..

Is it a convenience? I prefere to get darker pics (apart when isnecessary) with "0" noise than an iso increase and "pixelled"photos,,, I don't know you, but high iso pics pixels seem to me"discontinuos"....

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

Comment #17

Ajay0612 wrote:.

Virgiglius wrote:.

I see.. you also mean that if I want to shut always at minimum iso,so I set to "manual" using always iso 100 resolution will decrease?.

Where did I say so? You will get max resolution, best dynamicrange and lowest noise at minimum ISO setting..

Is it a convenience? I prefere to get darker pics (apart when isnecessary) with "0" noise than an iso increase and "pixelled"photos,,, I don't know you, but high iso pics pixels seem to me"discontinuos"....

Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time..

Well..maybe I've not been so clear... .

I mean: shutting at iso 200 or 400 would be not as good as shutting at iso 100.. is it?.

Then.. I saw pics taken with Panasonic dmc-ls80, (I saw great image distortion and not real colours respected) by canon ixus900ti-10mpixel (high noise even in good light, pics taken in a restaurant; also here colours were no well-respected: skin didn't come pink but with blue-yellow rerflections;)... Comparing them with f30, I can say that these 2 cameras wrote pixels just as they have been coated in image with a brush...Insted, f30's pics taken by this site are bright; pixels are next to each other with consistency and harmony... I hope I've been clear;) so this is the reason why I took f30 in consideration and also why I fear f50fd, cos of 12mpixel fit in 1/1.6 ccd ;)..

Comment #18

I've just lost an auction closed at 89 on ebay for it!!  can I see some pics you took by f20?..

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