Enom is not willing to go the extra mile for their customers either...
My thinking as well, I thought he got hired on a different registrar company..
Or created another company and moved out from gd...
Official GoDaddy Statement on Kentucky Domains Case.
Thursday, October 9th, 2008.
What is GoDaddy doing with gambling domains? Heres the official word.
There have been a number of rumors swirling around about whether GoDaddy has handed over domains that Kentucky wants to seize as it cracks down on illegal gambling. A number of online gambling news sources have reported that GoDaddy capitulated and turned over the domains, but a look at the whois shows the domains are still in the original owners names. (Compare this to the domain names Enom handed over, which are in Kentuckys name.).
I asked GoDaddy for an official response, and this is what General Counsel Christine Jones had to say:.
"We did not give the names to the Commonwealth of Kentucky, as stated in the order, as the registrant had not had a proper chance to be heard on these issues..
We provided the court a registrar certificate giving jurisdiction to the court. Meaning whatever the end result of this litigation, we will implement the courts order..
Here, the registrant still has the locked domain names and the Commonwealth of Kentucky does not.".
The way I read this, GoDaddys response has been between that of Enom and registrars like Moniker and Network Solutions who are fighting this vigorously. Essentially, GoDaddy has locked down the domains and told Kentucky that it will hand them over if the court orders it at the end of the litigation. But it didnt just hand them over as soon as the first court order was handed out...
Thanks for the reply; that's insane that Enom would do simply give away the domains. Did Godaddy's action affect the domain owners other than preventing them from selling the domains?..
I guess it's "nah nah nah nah...nah nah nah nah...Go Daddy...goodbye..."..
I've been with many registrars, and I stand by GoDaddy.
Reading that report, I think GoDaddy is taking a better position making the court force them to show their hand, rather than go the Enom route of caving in early...
Enom? Don't get me started!.
Dynadot all the way... only registrar that I've actually felt gave a rats ass about any of my problems...
Dynadot is the best registrar I have used to, shame that the prices are a bit higher but for domains with any sort of value an extra 2$ is nothing...
I've never had domains there, neither suggested anyone to register there. They also have a very slow interface...
I've had no problems with Godaddy, but for future reference, how does one get the Namepros discount from Moniker?..
Well, I've moved all my domains to another registrar last week..
I don't have any problems with GD, but I'm not a big fan of their domain control panel...
@ofclean : http://www.namepros.com/for-sale-adv...er-really.html.
But I think pricing is bit higher, since October price increase from Verisign.
.com .net will increase October 1st..
.org .info will increase November 1st..
.biz will not increase.
Moniker increased all of them on October 1st. Even .biz..
They are loosing domains left and right..
What a joke. I am moving out...
Goodbye Godaddy.. wait, is there any way to transfer my domains out of GD without transfer paying fees for a hundred plus of my domains?..
I've never had a problem with GD. Switching all of your domains based on one article is a bit hasty imo...
Personally I am moving 536 from godaddy and 15 from enom to fabulous to join my other domains, the extensions that fabulous doesn't support I may move to moniker, not sure yet...
I am looking where to move the extensions fabulous does not support...
Understandable. Just that there's various reports of Go Daddy doing this sort.
Of thing for other potential legal issues.
You know the saying: perception is everything. Unfortunately that's one kind.
Some people don't want...
Plus who can't live without 9,000 ads on the checkout pages...
Personally I think Godaddy have done the right thing with this.. Locking the names but they are still owned by the registrant. Not like Moniker etc who took a dump and handed over the names.. As someone said earlier this is a actually a smart move Godaddy being the big player they are actually forcing the oposition to show it's hand in all of this.
I really dislike the Godaddy panel etc but I will stay been good to me over the years and the godaddy codes on renewals certainly do help..
"Personally I think Godaddy have done the right thing with this..".
Please think again.
GoDaddy did not just lock the domains.
GoDaddy's legal team provided Registrar certificates giving jurisdiction.
To the Kentucky court. Thus if the Plaintiff wins, the Plaintiff will get the domains.
By "stupidly" (IMHO) giving jurisdiction to the court ,GoDaddy hurt all.
Legal reps for the affected companies and domainers were fighting the.
Case on the basis that the Kentucky court had no jurisdiction.
Thanks to GoDaddy's ineptitude, the Kentucky states attorneys used this.
Jurisdiction (gift from GoDaddy) against the defendants to show that the.
State does have jurisdiction.
GoDaddy in effect conceded jurisdiction.
Jurisdiction isn't the only tactic being used to thwart this unprecedented.
Attempt to seize domains but thanks to GD, it's a tactic apparently.
No longer available.
Do you still "think Godaddy have done the right thing with this."?.
Where did you get your info that Moniker " took a dump and handed over the names"?.
From DomainNameWire (Oct 10,2008):.
"Moniker founder and president Monte Cahn released the following statement to Domain Name Wire today:.
'Moniker strives to protect the rights of domainers. While it has always been and continues to be Monikers policy to cooperate with law enforcement officials and investigations and to comply with orders of courts of competent jurisdiction, it must do so only after careful review of the relevant facts. In this instance, it does not appear that the Kentucky Court has jurisdiction over Moniker or the domain names for which it acts as registrar so as to require Moniker to comply with the terms of the Courts Order. As such, Moniker has not handed over the domains and will protect the rights of the owners of the domains subject to the order of the Kentucky court by not handing over such names unless and until the matter has been resolved by the Kentucky court or there is an order of a court of competent jurisdiction ordering Moniker to do so.'" http://domainnamewire.com/2008/10/09...omers-domains/.
Has something changed between then and now?.
Not sure where moniker handed anything over, enom handed them over and godaddy gave jurisdiction to the court in the form of a certificate which is basically conceding jurisdiction to the court of kentucky which means if they rule against the domain owner the domain immediately transfers to kentucky which is just as bad as what enom did as it leaves no room for appeals with an instant transfer riding on the kentucky decision, a few registrars that didn't concede jurisdiction I believe are moniker, network solutions and fabulous which means that even if the domain owners are ruled against it gives the owners an appeal process, by godaddy handing over a certificate it basically says whatever this kentucky court rules is what we will follow and the major defense point is why does kentucky have jurisdiction, godaddy handing over the certificate is being used by the prosecution as ammo to say we must be right as they turned over the certificates and are saying whatever kentucky decides is the law, so the major argument is why does kentucky have jurisdiction and enom and godaddy gave them jurisdiction while other registrars are fighting, when some random state outlaws the next item just know that godaddy and enom will hand the court jurisdiction without providing you an appeal process or challenging the states jurisdiction, I personally spend many thousands on domains a year and I definitely take notice of registrars handing any random court the keys to my domains, the only way to send a message is pull your funds from companies not willing to protest shady tactics. http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...es-100708.html http://www.thedomains.com/2008/09/24...into-kentucky/ http://www.thedomains.com/2008/10/09/did-godaddy-lie/..
As SpareDomains write.
"I believe are moniker, network solutions and fabulous which means that even if the domain owners are ruled against it gives the owners an appeal process, by godaddy handing over a certificate it basically says whatever this kentucky court rules is what we will follow and the major defense point is why does kentucky have jurisdiction, godaddy handing over the certificate is being used by the prosecution as ammo to say we must be right as they turned over the certificates and are saying whatever kentucky decides is the law, so the major argument is why does kentucky have jurisdiction and enom and godaddy gave them jurisdiction while other registrars are fighting, when some random state outlaws the next item just know that godaddy and enom will hand the court jurisdiction without providing you an appeal process or challenging the states jurisdiction".
I really cant see how/where/who gives Kentucky the jurisdiction/power/right to snap domains with an internationale extension? where does it stop then?.
If a gambling website with a .fr extension target Kentucky citizens, would they also try to snap that? where does it stop?.
Then what stoppes China, Iran or Russia to demand domains which are against there law's?.
Would GoDaddy and the others also accept Iranian court, if the Iranian court decides that gayiran.com (I dont know if this site exist, just made it up) must be transfered to the Iranien Government, cause according to them there is no gays in Iran and this site is inmoral and bad for the Iranian people!???.
It would be something else if Kentucky had their own extension which they ruled over, and had regulations saying no porn, gambling etc. was allowed with Kentucky extensions. Then Kentucky would have the right/power/jurisdiction to go to court and demand the domains back.
BUT demanding domains with internationale extensions (legal gambling sites in a lot of other countries) just because Kentucky (not even a country) has a law against gambling is totally idiocy!.
This stupidity ranks at least besides the bodyguard who was offered and turned down $100K for domains like:.
I really cant understand this? Maybe it's one of the American things which we in Europe don't get. This would never ever could have happened in Denmark...
As far as I know Moniker has not given up any domains. If someone has information otherwise please post as I would pull all 500 of my domains from them...
You are absolutely right.
GoDaddy dropped the ball by handing over Registrar certificates. Jurisdiction is everything in these State cases. If Kentucky wins this case, there is nothing that is going to stop them from attacking any website that they think is violating their local laws.
Another discussion of this topic is going on at this namePros link: http://www.namepros.com/industry-new...g-domains.html..
First off, there was absolutely no reason for GoDaddy to do this.
Secondly, the court had already ordered preliminary seizure of the domain names. So the idea that there is some "future" relevant decision is nonsense.
The key phrase there is "giving jurisdiction to the court". The court didn't have jurisdiction over these domain names in the first place, and GoDaddy's counsel knows that...
Some very interesting points rasied from this issue, whilst 99% of people respect the law and understand the theory behind laws, it begs the question for you guys in the states, freedom of speach and all that goes with it, yes we all knew that some states were going to ban gambling and the knock on effects of it, but like everyone else surely we as individuals are allowed to what we want in our own home!!.
As for GD and their actions, it was going to suit some and not others, but this is the crazy world we live in!!..
So far I haven't had any problems with Godaddy, I only have about 90 names with them, and if Moniker offered me a better rate I would transfer.
It is unacceptable for the registrar to simply take away any domains without court order.....