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Going crazy with all the choices - dslr
I'll preface this by saying I'm new to the DSLR party. We're been using both a P&S and bridge camera for the longest time (both canon) and have decided to move up and begin being more than just snapping pictures of the kids and taking more dramatic pictures. There will still be the need to snap off photos of family, but with the kids getting older, we will start to need to think about sporting events and more active performances. At the same time we decided this, I had won a sizable gift card(750 USD) from a brick and mortar store here in the US at a raffle (starts with a C ends in ity). So my thought it's time to jump right in..

After going to a different store today, I tried out the following:Sony A350Nikon D40Nikon D80Canon XSiOly D510.

Since I am new to DSLR, I had set lens to AF to start out and eliminated the Sony based on the fact that it would not run off more than 2 shots in a row before autofocusing. The others seemed like they would run all day before wanting to AF. I know in time, I would move to manual focus, but for the here and now, that seemed like a drawback, especially when soccer games are on Saturdays..

Now on the others, Canon's body seemed s bit flimsier. It wouldn't crumble in my large hands, but it didn't feel like it would handle a fall. I did like the 9 point AF on it and it took very good pictures with the kit lens..

As for the Nikons, both performed well - the kit lens on the D80 was a better one (18-135) but both took good quality shots. The Oly also got a thumbs up from me. My only concern with Oly was the availability of lenses. Maybe because of my Canon background, I just haven't been exposed to the Oly world as much so it's not valid..

If you had to pin me down and make me buy right then, I would have chosen the D80(999 with the 18-135 lens) or the XSI (899 with kit lens). Now that I have stepped away and read more and more, I'm more confused than ever..

The one thing that is apparent is I can't make a bad choice of the 4. Thoughts?..

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I advise considering some of the cons of dealing with a DSLR. Are you willing to tote around a relatively large camera and lenses? Are you willing to make lens changes as needed? If you are willing to deal with both of these issues in a quest for better photos, then you are probably ready for a DSLR. Finally, are you willing/able to spend more money on lenses? Before you answer consider that in order to really improve your photos over a good P&S, you may need to buy several lenses and each is likely to cost as much or more than the basic camera body. Remember also that just buying good gear will not necessarily improve your photos. You will need to invest time and energy in learning to use the new gear. If this sounds like fun, you are ready. Spending some time picking out the systems should be fun...

Comment #1

Yes, since back surgery cut down on golf for me - I need a new hobby and looking forward to the challenges of SLR photography. My wife will probably be intimidated at first by it since P&S is so easy, but I'm ready to work at it...

Comment #2

Nikon D40 and Canon XSi are entry level dSLR while Nikon D80 is above them. Olympus has many features but the smallest sensor.If you like the 18-135 mm lens then it's OK for Nikon D80..

The safest way is to get a Nikon D40 body and a good lens like 16-85 mm VR. Even if you may change the body in the future the lens will stay. And you'll find out if the Nikon D40 body is so limiting for you or not.VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #3

Since I am new to DSLR, I had set lens to AF to start out andeliminated the Sony based on the fact that it would not run off morethan 2 shots in a row before autofocusing. The others seemed likethey would run all day before wanting to AF. I know in time, I wouldmove to manual focus, but for the here and now, that seemed like adrawback, especially when soccer games are on Saturdays..

For action, you generally want continuous AF. Canon calls it AI-servo. If AF is locked between shots and the subject is changing distance rapidly, then subsequent shots are out of focus .

Now on the others, Canon's body seemed s bit flimsier. It wouldn'tcrumble in my large hands, but it didn't feel like it would handle afall. I did like the 9 point AF on it and it took very goodpictures with the kit lens..

An excellent camera. But the plastic body is not at the level of the 30d/40d. They're not known for breaking, but feel is important..

As for the Nikons, both performed well - the kit lens on the D80 wasa better one (18-135) but both took good quality shots. The Olyalso got a thumbs up from me. My only concern with Oly was theavailability of lenses. Maybe because of my Canon background, I justhaven't been exposed to the Oly world as much so it's not valid..

I can't comment on Oly personally. Nikon does make some great cameras though..

If you had to pin me down and make me buy right then, I would havechosen the D80(999 with the 18-135 lens) or the XSI (899 with kitlens). Now that I have stepped away and read more and more, I'mmore confused than ever...

Comment #4

It seems like there is no talking you out of the DSLR route. Everyone has different interests and a different perspective. I can count on an agrument, but IMO Nikon and Canon are the best choices for someone who might continue into photography at a high level. For both vendors you can continue to upgrade to the highest and most expensive professional level. I happened to choose Canon - just because I was really happy with my Canon G9. I bought the XSi based solely on internet research and because I wanted the liveview for manual macro focusing.

I will be buying lenses that meet my needs and image quality expectations and I anticipate upgrading the camera body within 2-4 years. I knew photography would be an expensive hobby and I have not been disappointed with that expectation. It is also a great deal of fun and something that both my wife and I can do and enjoy together...

Comment #5

I see the Camera ,xsi,is on sale in the email CC just sent me for $829 and also another 10% offwith a coupon code. I sarted with the xti 18 months ago and I have no regrets. I went with Canon because of the lenses that are avaiable..

The first thing I purchased after the camera was an external flash because the pop up is not very useful..

Jim..

Comment #6

Heh.... When people ask me what I do to stay in shape, I tell them I'm a photographer... I work out an hour a day just so I can carry my gear around .

Vcackerman wrote:.

Yes, since back surgery cut down on golf for me.

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Comment #7

Too funny  .

Thanks for the suggestions. Taking the Mrs to a camera shop tomorrow to play around and then make a decision!.

IMac, therefore iAm wrote:.

Heh.... When people ask me what I do to stay in shape, I tell themI'm a photographer... I work out an hour a day just so I can carry mygear around .

Vcackerman wrote:.

Yes, since back surgery cut down on golf for me.

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Comment #8

You did leave Pentax out of the mix and they make gear of good value. The ergonomics are different from the ones you mentioned..

The K200d is the entry level and the K20d is the higher end model. One is lower priced than the XSI, the other is slightly higher priced. See the K20 review on this site. BTW, the K200 is approximately the same as the K10 (compared with the K20 in this review) with respect to sensor, comes in a lower weight, slightly less featured body, and features better jpeg processing. See the Pentax SLR forum on this site. People are happy with the K200 and K20..

Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/..

Comment #9

I don't understand the problem with autofocusing on the Sony. If an object goes out of focus as you shoot you want the camera to refocus. Actually, all of these offer several options on auto focus givng you a choice of continuous, one shot, etc. which may have been set differently on the Sony. Of the cameras you tested I feel the Sony a the top performer. Several, such as the Nikon D80 are excellent cameras but getting rather dated with new models about to come out.

This is just my opinion and you need to pick the camera that you feel handles the best as all will take excellent photos...

Comment #10

Vcackerman wrote:.

Since I am new to DSLR, I had set lens to AF to start out andeliminated the Sony based on the fact that it would not run off morethan 2 shots in a row before autofocusing..

Do not rule the Sony out based on your trial. The camera was just not set up to shoot bursts. That camera should shoot about 3 frames per second and if you have a fast memory card, you should get dozens of pictures without the buffer filling up-unless you are shooting RAW. The A300 will shoot a little faster because it is a 10MP rather than a 14MP sensor. Besides that, it is the same camera. The same thing would be true on most if not all of the cameras you are considering...

Comment #11

I have to agree with the Sony Alpha A300. Just went through this same agonizing decision and must say. I am glad I got the Sony. It is awesome and takes beautiful pictures. However, being new to DSLR's I do have ALOT of learning to do...

Comment #12

For the best possible camera for just about anything, fun or serious, I use my Nikon D40..

Sure, I own more expensive cameras, but whenever I grab a camera for my own personal vacations or family photos, it's almost always my remarkable and super lightweight Nikon D40. There isn't anything reasonable I can't do with Nikon's least expensive D40. There is no real reason to pay more for a Nikon D60 or D80. Save your money for more important things, like another lens or flash, or just pocket the difference and enjoy a vacation..

For $499 or less, complete with an exceptionally good 18-55mm lens, it's a no-brainer. (I paid $600 for my D40 with 18-55 and 55-200mm lens, UV Filters, Bag, 2Gig card) I wouldn't bother with the more expensive Nikons unless you really want to spend money, or will be using it all day, every day. Don't worry about durability: I've made 25,000 shots on my D40 and it still looks and works like new..

Don't worry about resolution: I make stunning 12 x 18" prints from my D40 all the time. Don't worry about features: I teach lots of workshops, and I'm amazed at how almost no one I meet has any idea of how to use even 10% of the features of the D40, much less any fancier camera..

I only use my more expensive cameras when I'm shooting all day. If I'm spending more time carrying it than using it, I grab my Nikon D40..

Have you ever noticed that the only people trying to convince you to buy a more expensive camera are people who are either trying to sell you one, or people who want some sort of recognition for themselves having bought expensive gear? I have nothing to sell you, which is why I suggest the D40 as Nikon's best camera for anyone who's reading this page...

Comment #13

I assume the response before is from Ken, as I just read the same info on your site!.

I know you're partial to the Nikon DSLRs, but if you had to recommend a Canon, would it then be the XT (since it's pretty similar to the XSi)? Or would you go with the XSi?.

Also, would a used DLSR be a good option? (Then I could get a better, new lens.) Or better not to chance it?.

Thanks..

Comment #14

...hat into the ring..

You really can't go wrong with any of the choices. However, it seems to me that the Olympus E510/520 and the Pentax K200D offer the best value for the money. They are fully loaded, including in-body IS, so ANY lens you use is stabilized. Most reviewers seem to show that there really isn't much difference in in-body and in-lens stabilization. I personally would prefer the Olympus offerings, but, again, you can't go wrong with any of the choices. Hope this helps.shinndigghttp://www.pbase.com/shinndigg..

Comment #15

I'm new to DSLR as well. Yesterday I found my thumb going to wind the film!!! LOL. I still have my Nikkormat EL w/ Non AI lense (Yes, I am the original owner), and I had a couple of other lenses and stuff, so I decided to stick w/ the Nikon line. I went for a D80 primarily because I intend on sticking w/ this camera for as long as possible..

I have to say it was a tough choice between the D80 and D40. I think if you are mostly taking a few shots here and there and don't have an investment in older lenses, a D40 is an oustanding choice. It has all the "modes" that PS cameras have but it also has 4 "manual" modes as well (i.e. apperature priority etc.). If you think this may be more of a hobby then I think it's a matter of preference. On the D80 it seems like it is easier to change focusing and metering modes, as well as control the camera in full manual.



Another issue is comfort. The D80 is slightly bigger and just felt better to me. I have "large" hands (glove size), so I was also worried a little about the space between the grip and the lense for the fingers on my right hand. That's one of the complaints I heard about small body cameras. So having held a D40 and a D80 body w/ lenes, the D80 is a better fit for me..

So how do I like it. "Like" is not the right word. Love is more like it... I've had the camera about 1 month now and take several thousand shots. I've been in caves (zero light except my speedlight), amonst Giant Redwoods (filtered light), down by the river (again very filtered light), and in the foot hills near my house (full bright sunlight). Under all conditions I was able to get excellent photos.

I have to say my wife has had a PS Cannon (excellent cameras IMO), but I was always dissatisfied w/ the lack of options. With the dSLR I have a nice set of lenses and even picked up a nikon manual f/2.8 50 mm macro (the lense I always dreamed of getting when I was a kid) for $100 on e-bay..

I also purchsed an 18-200 mm Nikon VRII lense. I actually don't use the VR very often (low light being the exception), but I suspect when my kids sports start up again, I'll be using it a lot. I am in love with this lense as the camera..

Finally, I'm getting over my button phobia. I was always hesitant to use my SLR camera in the past because picture = money. I've probably take more pictures in the last month than I had in the previous 10 years..

Next I'm considering taking a photo composition class at a local community college. I'm okay at putting together a shot, but I think (like anything else) I have a tendancy to do the things I like the best and avoid situations that I don't think will make a good shot. I think taking a class will force me to understand and make the best out of those situations..

K..

Comment #16

I went with the D40. After taking the wife and talking to a few more folks, I spent 650 for the D40, 18-55 and 55-200VR lens, came with a bag, Nikon DVDs and a handful of goodies. Bought it at Ritz and they offered a free class to get going with it..

I am using the other giftcard I have to buy a SB-600 flash, a second bag, 2 SD Extreme cards, extra battery, filters and still have some left overs for games for the Wii.  .

Thanks for all the feedback and once I get set up here (planning on getting it to a parade this weekend) I'll post some first shots and people can criticize them..

Have a great weekend!..

Comment #17

I second that completely. Just got the A300 and I love it already. Was afraid of the quality in the Kitlenses, but they produce fine results. Lovely camera and definitely fast enough..

My hesitations were between the A300 and the Nikon D60. Went for the Sony because of the Liveview, the inbody-stabilizer and the inbody-autofocusmotor..

Never really looked at the canons, cause they didn't feel good in my hands. For me the balance was of. Olympus didn't grab me either, although the 420 is a very nice little camera. Just not into that brand..

Mama25 wrote:.

I have to agree with the Sony Alpha A300. Just went through this sameagonizing decision and must say. I am glad I got the Sony. It isawesome and takes beautiful pictures. However, being new to DSLR's Ido have ALOT of learning to do..

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Comment #18

Just playing around with it this morning when a bunny showed up out front. Total autofocus but the picture was very good (I'll get better editing over time).

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Comment #19

Congrats on your purchase! .

Have fun..

Vcackerman wrote:.

I went with the D40. After taking the wife and talking to a fewmore folks, I spent 650 for the D40, 18-55 and 55-200VR lens, camewith a bag, Nikon DVDs and a handful of goodies. Bought it at Ritzand they offered a free class to get going with it..

I am using the other giftcard I have to buy a SB-600 flash, a secondbag, 2 SD Extreme cards, extra battery, filters and still have someleft overs for games for the Wii.  .

Thanks for all the feedback and once I get set up here (planning ongetting it to a parade this weekend) I'll post some first shots andpeople can criticize them..

Have a great weekend!..

Comment #20

Good luck with your choice. Allthough I chose a different one, the D40 is a wonderfull camera. Nice and light, but it feels perfect in the hand..

Have lots of fun, and I hope you will get the best out of it!.

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Comment #21

Personally I would stick with a Nikon fit or a Canon fit as regards lens availability..

Nikon and Canon both have a wide range of lenses and used ones are also available so that you will not have to shell out too much when you decide as you are likely to that you want to get a new lens or other..

Other than that I would start listing things that do seem important to you..

For me some things like.

- Full manual mode with Spot metering- simple AA batteries (it was a while ago when I bought my dslr)- battery life- Good quality Jpegs out of the camera- ability to use the widest variety of lenses [1].

Became quite important to me and helped me eventually come to a decision..

[1] I chose nikon fit and today I would not chose the Nikon D40 dslr (I think it is) because it is limited in the range of nikon fit lenses that it can use..

Mark_A..

Comment #22

I just wanted to say thank you for all those who commented. Similarly I too, am also a newbie. Reading your suggestions have been VERY helpful. Thank you!.

As for me personally, I'm currently stuck between buying a Nikon or a Canon.http://www.jaylynnstudios.com/..

Comment #23

Have the Nikon D60 Great deals going on with the 2 lens package. You can't go wrong with this one and it has some newer features over the D40. Both though are excellent choices. I personally thought the Canon XSI felt cheap compared to the D60 but that is just my opinion.Nikon D60 18-55vr & 55-200vrSB400Casio Z750..

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