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G9 Questions from an enthusiastic amateur...
I was convinced that the Canon Powershot G9 was for me until I read about the Fuji Finepix S100FS. But on balance I still reckon the G9 swings it for me..

Like many others I'm a bit worried about noise levels when using ISO400+. I don't really see it as a major issue though as most of my shots are daylight-in-the-open images..

So question number 1:.

*When taking a landscape or architecural shot in low light, would I get a good shot by keeping the ISO to 200 (or maybe even less) if I simply upped the shutter speed and had the camera still (mini tripod, or on a table or something)?.

Another Question:.

*I'd love to get the telephoto lense for this. I know I'll need the adaptor, but has anyone has any experience with the tele-lense? I'd love some good user experiences before buying..

I am at your mercy! Many thanks in advance for any responses. I know that many think I'd be better to just get a DSLR, but as I've posted eslewhere - my old Optio S5i has given me so many great shot over that last few years that I'm happy with a Point and Shoot...

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DangermouseZilla wrote:.

I was convinced that the Canon Powershot G9 was for me until I readabout the Fuji Finepix S100FS. But on balance I still reckon the G9swings it for me..

Why are you convinced ? Did you handle one ? Have you just been convinced just by hype ? .

Keep reading you'll see where I'm coming from ( and it's not wild enthusiasm for either )..

Like many others I'm a bit worried about noise levels when usingISO400+. I don't really see it as a major issue though as most of myshots are daylight-in-the-open images..

What people think they are doing shooting at ISO 400+ I don't know. On a DSLR this is to be avoided, but on small sensor camera it's bloody insanity..

So question number 1:.

*When taking a landscape or architectural shot in low light, would Iget a good shot by keeping the ISO to 200 (or maybe even less) if Isimply upped the shutter speed and had the camera still (mini tripod,or on a table or something)?.

I use either a Fuji E-900 or Canon A710 IS with a gorillapod ( the smallest one ). Don't get me wrong - I'm not exactly pushing these models, but just to say where I'm coming from..

I shoot at base ISO and use let the shutter stay open as long as it wants. ( "upped the shutter speed" implies a shorter exposure, which I think is the opposite of what you mean )..

This works really well..

It means lower noise all round and crisper exposures with more dynamic range ( DR in general drops as you raise ISO )..

Note that the G9 is too heavy for a basic gorillapod ( max 265g ) whereas the A710 and E-900 are both fine. On the road the A710 and E-900 plus gorillapod weigh less than the G9 on it's own..

At base ISO the image quality is about the same, although the E-900 remains a favorite partly because the tripod mount is properly located, whereas the A710 has it way the heck off at the side of the camera base ( harder to balance, but not too hard )..

In daylight you're on base ISO usually anyway, so no problem there. None of these cameras are suitable for sports, except as snappers..

Another Question:.

*I'd love to get the telephoto lense for this. I know I'll need theadaptor, but has anyone has any experience with the tele-lense? I'dlove some good user experiences before buying..

These adapters are never of great quality - the lens you start with is not ( really ) that good, then you add what is (essentially) a magnifying glass. In addition they take up more weight and more space. If you can spare the weight and space an Olympus E-410 with the 40-150 lens would be a better combo ( by a mile ! )..

Anyway, just think about the reality of the space and weight requirements of the various options..

I am at your mercy! Many thanks in advance for any responses. I knowthat many think I'd be better to just get a DSLR, but as I've postedeslewhere - my old Optio S5i has given me so many great shot overthat last few years that I'm happy with a Point and Shoot..

I don't know why people want to carry a relatively G9 - that's their affair. I don't think the thing produces the fabulous images that people convince themselves it does. Is it really going to be better than an E-900 or A710 IS ? Just how big a print would I need to see this - wall sized, bigger ? I've yet to see convincing evidence that this really does make a big difference..

As it's main advantages seem to amount to :.

(a) Shoot RAW. Well the E-900 does and so does the A710 with CHDK..

(b) Takes an external flash. This baffles me. Walking around with a honking great flash that's bigger than the camera - how is that portable or compact ? .

(c) Has arguably better ergonomics ( well it is bigger and more expensive ). But it's still small and it depends on your own hands as to how this feels..

(d) An on-paper resolution advantage than in reality provides little real-world advantage. ( Yes, I've heard the cropping argument - learn to frame the image when ya shoot guys  )..

The G9 is a nice camera - and the Fuji is a complete unknown at this point - but I'm suggesting you consider other options..

I don't personally see any use for a G9 in my world. Others have different priorities, but for the money and the facilities there are other options..

StephenG.

Pentax K100DFuji S5200Fuji E900PCLinuxOS..

Comment #1

*When taking a landscape or architecural shot in low light, would Iget a good shot by keeping the ISO to 200 (or maybe even less) if Isimply upped the shutter speed and had the camera still (mini tripod,or on a table or something)?.

As a general rule, keep ISO set to it's lowest at all times unless you really need to increase it to get a faster shutter speed..

With architecture and most landscape shots (depends if something's moving in the shot that you want to be sharp) you shouldn't need to increase ISO. Just use a longer shutter speed. Use a tripod if necessary..

Androohttp://Androo.smugmug.com..

Comment #2

DangermouseZilla wrote:.

I was convinced that the Canon Powershot G9 was for me until I readabout the Fuji Finepix S100FS. But on balance I still reckon the G9swings it for me..

Like many others I'm a bit worried about noise levels when usingISO400+. I don't really see it as a major issue though as most of myshots are daylight-in-the-open images..

So question number 1:.

*When taking a landscape or architecural shot in low light, would Iget a good shot by keeping the ISO to 200 (or maybe even less) if Isimply upped the shutter speed and had the camera still (mini tripod,or on a table or something)?.

Another Question:.

*I'd love to get the telephoto lense for this. I know I'll need theadaptor, but has anyone has any experience with the tele-lense? I'dlove some good user experiences before buying..

I am at your mercy! Many thanks in advance for any responses. I knowthat many think I'd be better to just get a DSLR, but as I've postedeslewhere - my old Optio S5i has given me so many great shot overthat last few years that I'm happy with a Point and Shoot..

I know folks love the G9 and it is a wonderful feeling little brick of a thing with a spec sheet to match.n I did not like it. I had one for three days but... by the time I fought my way through the terrible manual and the counter-intuitive on-screen directions... had to get directions from the Canon forum just to find RAW...realized that the viewfinder was the optical equivelant of looking at the world through a soda straw and the diopter adjustment was a waste of time (a particular problem if you wear glasses by the way) ...and that there was no good way to hold the damn thing...add then I looked at the jpeg images that weren't any better than I was getting under the same conditions as my old FZ7... I sent it back.

True, it's a different camera in RAW than JPEG, but IMHO not that much different. $500 is a lot of money in my world for a tool that requires I accomodate it's limitations both in ergonomics and IQ..

Brian..

Comment #3

I have the G3 the 4 mp version from 3 - 4 years ago. Even though I've moved on to a DSLR, I still use it especially for panorama shots (lovely pano features built in) and when I just don't want the hassle of a DSLR, say, when I'm on my motorcycle..

This shot was taken hand held at ISO 200 with the G3.

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It's a little noisy, but I was really pushing it's limits on this one. At iso 400, and above, you will need noise ninja or a similar program to be happy. Forget anything higher..

I also shot this:.

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When my son was playing football, I even shot the games with it and the Olympus TCon17. Oly Auxilary lenses are at LEAST as good as the Canon and about 30% cheaper. (think better) They worked just fine. I also bought the Ranox .66 WA attachment. Pretty good image quality, and very little barrel distortion, but it's BIG and makes the camera difficult to handle..

Buy a lensmate attachment collar over the Canon, better quality overall..

Still a good design overall for a 'serious' photographer looling for a good P&S type camera. It's got all the control of a DSLR, and pretty fair IQ. Yes, a tad weak on noise and ISO. But when the G3 finally dies, I will seriously consider a G9 (especially if they bring back the articulating viewscreen - VERY useful)STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #4

Abject apologies iso 400, F/2.0, and 1/8 of a second.STOP Global Stasis! Change is good!.

Now that you've judged the quality of my typing, take a look at my photos..http://www.photo.net/photos/GlenBarrington..

Comment #5

Cheers, you've made some great points. Yes, you're right about shutter speed - I meant reducing the shutter speed - apologies, that's my dodgy wording!.

My enthusiasm for the G9 comes from reviews I've read. I have to admit that I've not yet handled one, and I wouldn't buy one without doing so. I've been to look at one and hope to pay another visit to Jessops and get my hands on it next time..

Cheers for the advice. I'm certainly looking at other options and will take into account what you've said...

Comment #6

If you posted questions about the G9 in the Canon forum, you'd get very different responses than you've gotten here, mostly from G9 owners who love their camera..

And for the Pro side of the argument, have a look at this:.

Http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/G9-Japan.shtml.

Personally I love my G9 and find it's controls exponentially better than other compacts I've used. It is larger and heavier than other compacts (many find the heft a reassuring mark of build quality, as the body is metal), so you will have to consider what size camera you want. If you want something really small, don't get it. If you want something reasonably small but not DSLR-sized it is a good choice..

In my opinion, if you are going to be using the teleconverter or big accessories frequently you should probably get a DSLR, since much of the 'point' of the G9 is it's size...

Comment #7

If you post your concerns/questions on the Canon talk forum you will find an overwhelming positive response. I am a semi-satified G9 user and see several pros and cons:.

The G9 is a great P&S but it is no DSLR. Outdoors with decent lighting the IQ is really good. The camera is convenient and I find the 6x to be pretty good. I would not try to push by adding a telephoto lens. You will lose the convenience and probably see the IQ degraded. Expect some disappointments when trying to shoot in low light.

You can expect the usually really bad red eye shots. A lot has been said about the light "leaks" on the screen. I find that to be a non-issue. I am more disappointed by the viewfinder. The lens blocks part of the field and there is little relation between the view and the actual image content..

Comment #8

Sjgcit wrote:.

Note that the G9 is too heavy for a basic gorillapod ( max 265g )whereas the A710 and E-900 are both fine. On the road the A710 andE-900 plus gorillapod weigh less than the G9 on it's own..

I know this is an old post, but I just have to say that my G9 does just fine with the basic gorillapod. I had my doubts, but I trust it 100% as far as standing upright, hanging upside down, etc. The only problem is that since it is heavier than recommended, if you have it hanging sideways, it won't stay perfectly sideways. I'm not recommending the basic pod over the SLR version for the G9, but I wouldn't get a different camera just because the specs on the gorillapod say it can't handle it. I had one from my old SD550 and have no plans on getting the SLR version...

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